Contests for Implementing Player Suggested Content (Gear, Weapons, Quest, etc.)?

[CrystalWeapon]

Going to make a few suggestions in a very nice way. It's up to you to follow them or not. It may or may not get people off of your back.

- Close this thread, it's gotten no positive feedback. It's ok to be proud of your ideas, but it's also fine to accept a loss now and then.

- When you get negative feedback, listen to it. Again, it's ok to be proud of your ideas, but it's also fine to accept a loss. If you have 8 people telling you something might not work out, adjust your original post or nix out what is a no go. Whether you see it or not, you do tend to brush off negative suggestions. At times it is like talking to a brick wall when they say "This would just not work out b/c of blah" and you come back with "Well I'm sure they'd find a way to do it."

- Post with the intention of "This would be cool to see, but I won't get my hopes up" instead of "Hey devs, you should add this" especially if the idea is kinda out there. I know you don't mean to be arrogant, but it does come that way still. You should really stop ending threads with the whole "Thanks for listening devs!" It's another thing that makes you seem a bit arrogant, and vying for attention.

- It's cool if you change your sig every week, but you don't have to force an idea every week. Try to focus on quality over quantity. Really think something out, and wait till you have something you think people would get behind. Come up with ideas that would make things more convient for the playerbase, and not just your specific situation.

- (This is a big one) Don't reply to every single person in your threads. I know you want to seem responsive, but it doesn't come out well when over half the responses in your thread are from you. I'm not saying to not respond to people, just cut back on how often you do it.

- Try to cut back on the drawings if you can. I know you're proud of your work, but not every idea warrants a handful of pictures. The focus of the thread should be the idea, not the artwork.


I don't want to douse your creativity. I just want to try and help you get it across without having such negative feedback every time you do so. Take my advice if you want. I'm not a mod so I'm done trying to calm the back and forth that's been going on since page 1. Resume the arguing if you want.

[kingfury]

@ Minsc:

Having a discussion with you is just painful man. >< I honestly find it difficult to watch you break apart every single line and sentence and twist and misconstrue what's being said. It's the equivalent of this:

• Kingfury says "A B C D E F G"

• Minsc interprets "G C E A B F D"

Nothing I've said is hard to understand Minsc, so watching you do this break apart thing with my post is very discouraging. I know how to have a mature discussion, so when you're ready to do that, I'm all for it.

[Kimble]

I'm pretty he HAS been having a mature discussion.

FYI Agreeing with everything you say =/= being mature.

[Minsc]

@ Minsc:

Having a discussion with you is just painful man. >< I honestly find it difficult to watch you break apart every single line and sentence and twist and misconstrue what's being said.

Not twisting around anything, I quoted what you said and responded to what you said. Give me an example of me twisting your own words. Be sure to leave out, "I said this, but meant this..." in your example. Say what you mean n' stuff

It's the equivalent of this:

• Kingfury says "A B C D E F G"

• Minsc interprets "G C E A B F D"

Wow, actually a tad bit offended here... Am I to understand you think I'm mentally challenged? If not, again, say what you mean. Leave nothing to interpretation.

Nothing I've said is hard to understand Minsc, so watching you do this break apart thing with my post is very discouraging.

So I'm mentally challenge and slow? LOL

I understand everything you've said, doesn't mean I have to agree with it to be "mature".

I know how to have a mature discussion, so when you're ready to do that, I'm all for it.

Been trying to have a mature discussion with you, which is why I'm responding to ALL of your post of instead picking certain parts out and responding only to those. ^^

[kingfury]

@ CrystWpn.:

I can't except some of this stuff man, even though you have a pretty good track record for being a voice of reason. Some of these suggestions go hand and hand with the mentalities that want to put me in a box that forces me to be the same way everyone else feels I should be. Though some of these things I can respect and I thank you for offering up the advice.

I've never have a problem with "negative feedback" or opposing opinions with my threads. Again, it's the flamers that are not welcome. Anyone that wishes to have a discussion with me about any suggestion in a respectful manner is fine by me. "This idea is stupid" is not something I can really have a discussion about y'know?

I also don't weigh there worth based on what other posters believe about them. If I get a response from the Devs saying my idea is not possible or that it's not the directions they wish to go in, then I can chalk it up as "loss". How is it arrogant if I'm ending a post by addressing who it's being suggested to? There's no way anyone should find fault in my thankings to a group of very busy Game developers for having an "open door" policy to their players.

None of my ideas are "Forced". If I was posting a suggestion every single day of the week, perhaps, but posting at least one suggestion every week gives me plenty of time to think about what I want to say to the Devs. This goes hand and hand with my occasional illustrations that are included in most of my threads. It's not about being "proud" at all, as much as it's about me being an actual illustrator in real life. That's my profession, and how I help explain my thoughts. Anyone could do the same by using photos and other types of visual aids if they choose. I only add illustrations where I feel their helpful and the fact that they're super loose and sketchy is proof that I'm not trying to show off at all. Their simply sketches to help "illustrate" my thoughts.

Not responding to every post is something I'm trying to get better with, but some folks make it really hard lol. I'm trying to get better at ignoring the flame post, but boy is it tough. I'm not one to back down from a fight, or bullying, so it's a pretty new concept to say the least. I'll keep working on it though.

Closing a thread at these points, unfortunately, is about the best solution seeing as it has dragged on to this point.

Thanks again.

[Minsc]

@ CrystWpn.:

It's not about being "proud" at all, as much as it's about me being an actual illustrator in real life. That's my profession, and how I help explain my thoughts. Anyone could do the same by using photos and other types of visual aids if they choose. I only add illustrations where I feel their helpful and the fact that they're super lose and sketchy is proof that I'm not trying to show off at all. Their simply sketches to help "illustrate" my thoughts.

Whoa whoa whoa... How then do you know that I'm not a comedian in real life, or a big movie/TV buff? I've used a couple quotes to "illustrate my thoughts" and you found fault with it. LMAO!!!

[Khiinroye]

Your title is "Contests for Implementing Player Suggested Content" which DOES imply that the winner of the contest will have the idea implemented. IIRC, with the fanart contests, it was the community team who judged that, not the devs. For this suggestion, even with the community reps filtering for the obviously unbalanced gear, the dev team would still need to take time out of their schedule to analyze the balance of the suggestions that get passed to them. The test server could not be used to analyze the various items, because that would take the contest and change it from being a SE-judged contest to a community-judged contest, which could be organized without SE getting involved.

If you take out the stats or the implementation of the gear, then it is just another fanart contest, with different themes. I don't think anyone would mind that. I didn't see anyone oppose the suggestions from earlier in the thread of fanfiction contests (again, community rep judges and not the devs) or creating designs for no-stat event gear. The devs would still need to get involved via creating the armor/weapons, but the winner could be selected by the community team purely based on aesthetics, rather than game balance. For this thread, it is the suggestion of implementing of player-suggested gear with stats that people oppose.

I'm posting suggestions to the DEVs

This is not a "Suggestion forum," it is "General Discussion" forum in the "COMMUNITY" section which means that anything you put here is open to discussion, and is not a direct line to the devs. The dev team doesn't even read all these threads; the community reps do that, and they might pass good ideas to the devs. People responding to threads saying that ideas are bad because they can see that it is unbalanced, or they think it is a waste of time, or they plain don't want the developers to look at something they won't enjoy. People have differing opinions on suggestions, and any positive or negative feedback is an attempt to convince the reps as to whether or not the idea is good or bad, or just a fun idea that, while entertaining to discuss, really shouldn't be added.

The "thanks for listening devs" at the end of all your suggestions implies that you think that the devs read all your posts; while this is a mistake on your part in how these forums work, it is easily misread as arrogance in assuming that all your suggestions get passed to the devs.

As to your current sig, Ifrit in FFXI has a short snout, the omission of which makes the face look distorted. I personally do not like the image--just my opinion, and the reason why I think so.

Don't reply to every single person in your threads.

Not quite; it is fine to reply to everyone, but try to multiquote, rather than making a new post for each reply. You have up to 10,000 characters per post. There are many people on this forum guilty of that, and it is a peeve of many other people, as it is often seen as trying to pad the post count.

Try to cut back on the drawings if you can. I know you're proud of your work, but not every idea warrants a handful of pictures. The focus of the thread should be the idea, not the artwork.

Nah, the pictures going with the ideas are fine, since they have to be links on these forums.

[Kimble]

See that was the idea I had. If the contest was to design the look of a level 1, body, no stat, piece of event gear that would then be added to the game, I would have no problem with that. I think something like that would be much more fun and less of a hassle.

Ive read the OP several times and I dont see anything there saying that but when I said it earlier in this thread, he tried to pass it off as it was part of his idea.

[CrystalWeapon]

@ KF

It's all about perception. What you might see as a formality could be easily misinterpreted as something else. I'm just giving you insight on how certain things you do are viewed, and suggesting ways you could certain things so that you aren't viewed in that light. I'm in no way telling you, you HAVE to conform to this or that.

[kingfury]

Your title is "Contests for Implementing Player Suggested Content" which DOES imply that the winner of the contest will have the idea implemented. IIRC, with the fanart contests, it was the community team who judged that, not the devs. For this suggestion, even with the community reps filtering for the obviously unbalanced gear, the dev team would still need to take time out of their schedule to analyze the balance of the suggestions that get passed to them. The test server could not be used to analyze the various items, because that would take the contest and change it from being a SE-judged contest to a community-judged contest, which could be organized without SE getting involved.

If you take out the stats or the implementation of the gear, then it is just another fanart contest, with different themes. I don't think anyone would mind that. I didn't see anyone oppose the suggestions of fanfiction contests (again, community rep judges and not the devs) or creating designs for no-stat event gear. The devs would still need to get involved via creating the armor/weapons, but the winner could be selected by the community team purely based on aesthetics, rather than game balance. For this thread, it is the suggestion of implementing of player-suggested gear with stats that people oppose.

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Thanks for the feedback ^^

This is not a "Suggestion forum," it is "General Discussion" forum in the "COMMUNITY" section which means that anything you put here is open to discussion, and is not a direct line to the devs. The dev team doesn't even read all these threads; the community reps do that, and they might pass good ideas to the devs. People responding to threads saying that ideas are bad because they can see that it is unbalanced, or they think it is a waste of time, or they plain don't want the developers to look at something they won't enjoy. People have differing opinions on suggestions, and any positive or negative feedback is an attempt to convince the reps as to whether or not the idea is good or bad, or just a fun idea that, while entertaining to discuss, really shouldn't be added.

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Well, when the community team wants feedback and suggestions they prompt us to post in the correct place in terms of giving suggestions and feedback based on the content. If I'm not mistaken, General Discussion is the place for general suggestions about the game as a whole right?

The "thanks for listening devs" at the end of all your suggestions implies that you think that the devs read all your posts; while this is a mistake on your part in how these forums work, it is easily misread as arrogance in assuming that all your suggestions get passed to the devs.

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Ughh, how things like this get misread to this degree kills me >< I'm simply thanking the Devs should the post get passed to them. I not posting my suggesting to the community team to approve, but rather the Dev team, so I thank the Dev team for the opportunity to hear my concept if it does reach their eyes and ears. That's really all there is to that. It's like signing at the bottom of a letter and addressing the person you're sending it to. No arrogance intended at all.

As to your current sig, Ifrit in FFXI has a short snout, the omission of which makes the face look distorted. I personally do not like the image--just my opinion, and the reason why I think so.

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Understandable. I think I was working from a screenshot on that one, but it's understandable.

Not quite; it is fine to reply to everyone, but try to multiquote, rather than making a new post for each reply. You have up to 10,000 characters per post. There are many people on this forum guilty of that, and it is a peeve of many other people, as it is often seen as trying to pad the post count.

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I try to when it's only a few lines, but if it's paragraphs, it gets bloated real fast lol.

Nah, the pictures going with the ideas are fine, since they have to be links on these forums.