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The penalty is lower than the EXP loss was at 75 in FFXI. The base is 2% EP, the original loss was 5% of EXP TNL in 75 era. Raise III+ still restores most of this.

It's definitely not trivial at...

Don't get me started, I was prepared to spend several months doing that given that even 700 a week was going to be a no lifer experience for me. Thankfully I did get a Dynamis D wave 3 clear before...

Our first job always took longer because we had all the legwork like unlocking transportation tools, getting spells and gear, and the missions and stuff to do our first time out. For experienced...

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I've never liked cleaving I feel like it's cheating. but at the same time, I can't pretend it doesn't work.

The question is this like a real average or an "I'm the best" average.

I definitely do not get 250-300k, or even half of that. With a party of people that are all actively participating. So...

What I'm saying here is that EP gains per kill are comparable to what we got per kill when we were grinding merits before Abyssea. I'm not speaking to how good we are at killing things. But unless...

You're kidding right?

Exemplar point gains are relatively similar to EXP gains back in the day. And stuff like the old colibri camps and stuff were very fast kills.

It takes an order of...

Well you probably had ideal jobs for a good party, iv'e struggled to get into parties on SMN and when I do it usually isn't as quick (I've had some good ones but I ended up mostly just being there...

I don't think extreme grinds like this should be encouraged, saying "well I don't really have to do it" is just an excuse.

Don't need to *now*, sure. But we will likely need to eventually. and the EP ramp past 40 is absolutely nuts. I almost fainted when i saw the updated chart on BG (hyperbole, but it is really just......

You know what else isn't quick? Exemplar points. I almost fainted when I saw the new numbers....

Some would argue that the amount of time is excessive.

I mind it less when I'm continuoally making progress. RNG on drop rates, you don't make progress. There is no bad luck protection or "pity...

While I don't mind more progression systems, I've found the grind painful enough in the teens, the higher levels are absolutely insane. I don't even want to know what 49>50 looks like lol.

But...