Melee WHM's Unite!

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Tell your tales of merciless killage, happyhappy destruction, and smashysmashy hammer madness!!!

What will the future hold for us deadly medics? KILLAGE OF COURSE!! :D

WHM/NIN here. Just lacking a K-club to go with my Prudence Rod. Did a lot of solo work in Campaign as /DRK with Last Resort and Soul Eater out damaging standard melee weapon skills with Hexa Strike on Campaign NM's. Endgame does not seem to have much room for WHM melee's. So it is mostly solo or with NPC Fellow, maybe a slkillup duo or trio and Campaign.

Ohey Rya :> bonkitybonkbonk Mjollnir owners ftw~

Sim -- I've actually had far more opportunities to melee as WHM in Abyssea and such since its release -- Mjollnir + Molva/Kraken depending on the situation.

Kyaru-- I am type cast as primary healer for all LS related events, which is not a bad being a Galka type that can boast 1300hp and over 1000mp depending of food.

Melee whm is a lot of fun. I'm too busy being main healer usually in my events, but I like soloing stuff with my Gambanteinn (26 more Bukhis's Wings!). Been working on a Naboot for an offhand club, going for an OA2-4 club. Not quite as good as a kclub for offhand, but should still be pretty good. Hoping with the update coming to dynamis, I'll be able to farm more currencies and get a mjollnir done.

<3 Rya^_^ I always mele as a WHM in EXP partys:)

Been meleeing in parties more and more as of late, just need the right set up and you can easily keep up with standard DDs.

It actually doesn't take much outside of the standard DD atmas (Apoc + VV + RR) to make hexastrike a conduit of death. 3K+ hexas with minimal gear using that atma setup is not unheard of.

Been a long time since I suited up WHM (the level 85 cap just came out the last time), but damn have I had an itch to go knock stuff around with a club lately (mostly because MNK sucks so bad at clubbing than what I'm used to :P).

The fact that meleeWHM gear hasn't changed too much in the last year, is about as encouraging to me, as my potential name-change is discouraging. So it's a wash and I'll keep sort-of-waiting for 99 to play "for real" again. Although I have kept up with Mjollnir and still have K-club, I fear both will be easy/obsolete by then. Maybe 2012 will be the year of the return of the Rya. :)

(...or Riya or Reeya or Ria or Reeuh...)

Part of me feels like I'm missing out on a golden age for meleeWHM's, with our muticritWS atma madness. I hope there's more than just zelus/ACP/goading(ninurta) for upgrades at 99. Maybe AF1+2 gloves with mega melee mods! :D

Would be nice if they do something about Gambanteinn. At the moment it's one of the only cases where the relic is miles superior to the empyrean weapon.

Dagan is pretty terrible and the ODD aftermath isn't worth using if you have to miss out on Hexa Strike.

But yeah, hoping for some better WHM melee options. At the moment the only 76+ gear I use is Canne+2, Goading Belt and STR+6 ring and cape for mystic boon.

I think whm melee has stepped up quite a bit in the last several updates or so. Afflatus Solace was a big help for me, and more recently, the fast cure equipment from walk of echoes and abyssea, assuming you're willing to macro stuff in and out constantly. But I'm with Rya, I dont really feel like testing whm solo out that much until the 99 cap is done and I know exactly what im going for. Really waiting desperately for Haste II in case any SE programmers are reading this. Haste II. Make it happen. thanks. Oh and regain. Thanks. Go Whm.

The Wandering Melee White Mage of Lakshmi is back ^^.

Regain is a battle tactic, thus SCH got it, WHM wont get it.

Haste II unfortunately would be very broken, that said Hastega would be a welcomed inclusion for WHM.

You should try /mnk, Counterstrike and Counter atmas Rya^^ Works great :D

I think they've done great things for melee whm recently...I just wish that other players could see that too and allow us to melee and maybe every so often respect our ability to be DD just as much as any other melee, especially in Aby

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Originally Posted by Kaych

You should try /mnk, Counterstrike and Counter atmas Rya^^ Works great :D

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FFXI Melee WHM: Counterstance Demo :D

I leveled whm recently and I want to become smashysmashy hammer madness.

I might (very likely) get my hands on that fake relic that drops from that huge fish thing soon. As far as I know, that's the highest dmg non-relicmythicempy, but what should I offhand, and what other gear should I be on the lookout for?

I don't have a kclub and I probably won't get one anytime soon, so don't suggest that :(.

3 more Quiebitiel for me :(

Generally what matters most is TP gain. There's a few options though, however it'd be limited to magian trials. Could do STR path club (actually, that just has high damage for the delay, but that's it), could do magian trials for a multi-hit offhand... but yeah, those can be lengthy, and I'd likely suggest OA2-4x for a WHM offhand that's not a KC.

Nice^^ Will get better with ur third Atma ^_-

Actually, come to think about it, there's quite a few weapons that will shine, but yes, they're magian trials only. No weapon is decent outside of trials at level 90 with the obvious exceptions, but I'll list a few from trials, not considering relic/empyrean/mythic (I shouldn't even say mythic... anyone who melees with Yagrush is doing it wrong and is capable of getting a much better weapon for meleeing. No one would doubt Yagrush being amazing in general, but for meleeing, it isn't).

Canne de Combat +2
DMG:71 Delay:310
"Dagan"
Dagan discussion aside, this is the 5th highest base damage club in the game, with the lv85 empyrean having 74, lv85 relic having 76, lv90 empyrean having 78, and lv90 relic having 81. However, a lv90 Naboot +2 with the DA+ would likely outperform this overall, although more time consuming to get.

Naboot +2
DMG:58 Delay:340
Occ. atk. twice
I know a lot of people have liked OAT weapons from magians in general, however, this is a case where I'd probably say the Double Attack+ club is superior for a main hand, which I'll list under OA2-4x. Although, yeah, it's better than any AH option you'd get.

Naboot +2
DMG:33 Delay:340
Occ. atk. 2-4 times
A decent offhand in my opinion for one who lacks a kraken club, given TP feed is favorable. There's times where feeding too much TP can be a bad thing, but overall, this would probably be the 2nd best offhand for someone with relic/empyrean, with KC being the best of course for TP gain and Hexa Strike/Mystic Boon spam.

Naboot +2
DMG:70 Delay:340
"Double Attack"+10
I would have to say this path is one of the best non-relic/empyrean clubs in the game right now. The DMG rating is HUGE, and it's only behind the WoE path/relic/empyrean clubs when it comes to sheer base damage. If you're aiming for a relic/empyrean, I probably wouldn't do one of these and seek an offhand version. Of course, I probably also say that because getting one of these is easier than getting a kraken club.

Hoeroa +2 (STR Path)
DMG:47 Delay:210
STR+9 Attack+20
Now the damage rating on that is lackluster compared to the other options, but the delay is very low to compensate, almost as low as a club gets.

Now looking at the "top" weapons:

Mjollnir (90)
DMG:81 Delay:308 Attack+35
"Randgrith"
Additional effect: Recover MP
...Do I even have to say this is our best melee weapon?

Gambanteinn (90)
DMG:78 Delay:300 HP+70 MP+70
"Dagan"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
If only Dagan did damage, it'd be more worth seeking. Fun to play with aftermath I'd imagine though. The proc rate is definitely far more frequent than relic's multi-damage procs, but to give up a lot of damage to use it in the first place...

Yagrush (90)
DMG:63 Delay:267 Magic Accuracy+20
Augments "Divine Veil"
Enhances "Divine Benison" effect III
"Mystic Boon"
Aftermath: Increases Magic Acc./Acc.
Occasionally attacks twice

Yeah, I'll list Yagrush, because it does have respectable damage for the delay. However, it easily falls behind most options. Good thing it's useful for the back-lining part of WHM. :p The potential is better than Gambanteinn in a sense, but likely not as well, as unlike Dagan, Mystic Boon does damage, but you have to get 300% TP to trigger OAT. However, I think it'd make more sense to go after a better main weapon when it comes to meleeing, because you'll have Mystic Boon even without Yagrush.

Oh! Oh! Oh! I never knew this thread existed... <.< <3 Rya and Kya, meree whms!!
I just got my Gamb yesterday, lvl 85... <3's it. And depending on how dyna changes go, I might work on a mjollnir myself. :P, I already have the club paper from beaucedine~

Just out of curiosity what gear do you ws in as whm? I've yet to find a good str build for my whm.

MND build! :p

Having STR, attack, and accuracy are more important than having MND, though I wouldn't neglect MND either.

There is a new piece of gear for melee WHMs:

Khthonios Mask Rare
[Head] All Races
DEF:24 Attack+14 "Store TP"+4 Haste+4% Converts 30 MP to HP
LV 88 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN SCH

...If only it had more haste.

Tefnut Wand Rare
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1167 DMG:42 Delay:216 MND+10 Healing magic skill +5 "Cure" potency +15%
LV 87 WHM BLM RDM SMN SCH

An item for meleeing while not giving up much Cure potency if one desired not to give up much of it. Personally, I'd manage without it. :P Any serious WHM should have, or be working towards, a Surya's +2, and thus would never need this wand for back-lining. Besides, the base damage sucks.

I like the Tefnut Wand for melee when you are still the only healer present. It's not the best dd option out there, but shove it in your off hand for extra cure potency is still nice.

As much as I hate bumping something from the depths of darkness, I hate making new threads more.

We'll soon be getting Boost-STR (and all the woes of having to keep Enhancing Magic as high as possible, even when we aren't /SCH), and hopefully a very magic burst friendly Holy II.

Many mage jobs trying to follow in our footsteps are likely to get more of our Staff weapon skills then before, without having to sport any martial training, such as from the school of Blunt Force Trauma. More shockingly, all the lesser damage dealers are trying to get their hands on Hexa Strike, particularly Paladins and Warriors. Of course, this shall not come to pass, as only the deserving have inherited the training in multihit blunt force trauma.

As always, despite the occasional piece of bad news, times remain good for the masters of the beat stick.

Well something that I didn't see mentioned was an incredibly easy to get main hand hammer.

Molva Maul

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Molva Maul RareExclusive
(Club) All Races
DMG: 65 Delay: 308
Latent effect: "Randgrith"
Lv. 85 WHM / SCH

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Now granted it's not as good as the Relic / Emp super hammers, but it's defiantly a solid contender for you main hand should you not have access to those uber hammers. Only 308 delay so pretty quick for it's base DMG. Combine it with the STR / Attack off hand one and you got yourself a solid combo for hexaing everything to death.

WHM faces a similar situation to RDM and BRD and to some extent BLU in that you've got low attack due to lack of godly gear. That extra 24.5 attack is going to make a noticeable difference.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Well something that I didn't see mentioned was an incredibly easy to get main hand hammer.

Molva Maul

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This was actually talked about earlier in the thread:

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Originally Posted by Mirage

I might (very likely) get my hands on that fake relic that drops from that huge fish thing soon. As far as I know, that's the highest dmg non-relicmythicempy, but what should I offhand, and what other gear should I be on the lookout for?

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Personally, it is what I main hand currently, since Fistule is a big fat meanie. I am also working on a multihitter for offhand - I only wish I could merge one with one of the attack hammers.

Any of you guys ever Main Assist on WHM in Dynamis (before the fun-killing updates)?

if a paladin or warrior gets hexa strike I swear on my hammer that I'll never whm again :C

I'll still play White Mage. I'll just refuse to heal anyone else. Someone dead on the ground? Ask where the Paladin or Warrior is so they can raise them. White Mage strike.

From some JPs on test server (unconfirmed but sound right enough):

Mjollnir
DMG:87 Delay:308 Attack+35
"Randgrith"
Additional Effect: Recover MP
Lv95 WHM

Yagrush
DMG:69 Delay:267 Magic Accuracy+20
Enhances "Divine Veil" effect
Enhances "Divine Benison" effect III
"Mystic Boon"
Aftermath: Increases Magic Acc./Acc.
Occasionally attacks 2 to 3 times
Lv95 WHM

Gambantienn
DMG:84 Delay:300 HP+80 MP+80
"Dagan"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
Lv95 WHM

Underwhelming for the most part, not even 5 more attack this time fo relic!

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

From some JPs on test server (unconfirmed but sound right enough):

Mjollnir
DMG:87 Delay:308 Attack+35
"Randgrith"
Additional Effect: Recover MP
Lv95 WHM

Yagrush
DMG:69 Delay:267 Magic Accuracy+20
Enhances "Divine Veil" effect
Enhances "Divine Benison" effect III
"Mystic Boon"
Aftermath: Increases Magic Acc./Acc.
Occasionally attacks 2 to 3 times
Lv95 WHM

Gambantienn
DMG:84 Delay:300 HP+80 MP+80
"Dagan"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
Lv95 WHM

Underwhelming for the most part, not even 5 more attack this time fo relic!

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You did notice that the Yagrush went up from OAT to OA2-3 right?

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Originally Posted by Miroku_Asura

You did notice that the Yagrush went up from OAT to OA2-3 right?

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I wonder if aftermath can be activated in the offhand...

I did. All the mythics have gone up to 2-3.

Yagrush isn't really known for it's meleeing capability due to it's low base damage, but could be useful. 300%TP is quick enough to reach if you're offhanding a KC.

I wish Yagrush weren't so impossible to get :(

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Originally Posted by Economizer

I wonder if aftermath can be activated in the offhand...

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Relic and Mythic effects don't transfer to the offhand.

Winja & Whm/dnc is fun, though I only took whm to 49 on both characters, I do sometimes go sch/nin which is fun too but as sch I don't get the fun of using Hexa Strike ; ;

one of my old friends who used to play called melee whm "hammerbro" lol

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Originally Posted by Miroku_Asura

Relic and Mythic effects don't transfer to the offhand.

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What I mean is, could you offhand a Yagrush as a multihitter by activating the aftermath? Probably not, but I figured I'd ask on the offchance you could... Mjollnir/Yagrush would be a definite combo if you could.

Also, people digging up files and whatnot in the test server found this:

Club Rare Lv94 D71 Delay300
Added effect:Flash
WAR, WHM, PLD

Not a Relic/Mythic/Empyrean, but solid for those who haven't gotten one yet... assuming its somewhat easy to get.