WoEs

I don't know about you guys... but 50 wing, 50 slime parts, and 75 dog teeth seem a lot easier to obtain than 30 coins on dying content. What is your view on walk of echoes these days?

Biggest problem I have with it is the zone wide lotting. If they did away with that then think more poeple might do it.

1 coin every few days is the issue. Everyone's in gukumatz aery and people are getting skins/wings/legs etc faster than coins. litterly 2x as fast. There are other things i do in the day so i would rather deal with 30 coins (which seem to not exist even with th) than 100 guku 100sirrush 100 minax and 50-75 sobeks and stones. The other guys i won't even count up or mention...

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Originally Posted by Fyreus

1 coin every few days is the issue. Everyone's in gukumatz aery and people are getting skins/wings/legs etc faster than coins. litterly 2x as fast. There are other things i do in the day so i would rather deal with 30 coins (which seem to not exist even with th) than 100 guku 100sirrush 100 minax and 50-75 sobeks and stones. The other guys i won't even count up or mention...

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It's harder to find help for woe. And honestly the weapons you get from woe weapons are not worth the time you put into them.

Edit: With the new adjustments I take back what I said. LOL Empyrean weapons are not worth the time you have to put into them if people actually will start doing WoE.

Coins should rain in Walk of Echos like currency used to fall in dynamis. These are supposed to be the "common" low quality versions. You should be able to get a weapon done with 4-5 visits to the zone since in that same five hours you could get 25+ helmets with a good small group.

Plz　The Leech is exterminated.
Leech　=　Entrance　Roll　only　Player

1. Level BLM, BST, RNG, BLU, SMN
2. Do flux 7 (Almost always drops 2~4 sacks)
3. Finish weapon

You can finish in one run if lucky, two if unlucky.

Hard fight if you suck at kiting, but I've seen two SMNs do it before.

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Originally Posted by susu

Plz　The Leech is exterminated.
Leech　=　Entrance　Roll　only　Player

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The trouble with this is how do you define it from the single player who is taking an active role in hit mobs and killing them. Ive gone into WOE solo, had to be my own healer dd raiser. I can do it but everyone else in the zone doesnt like it. I work harder than everyone else because I have to self sufficient and yet people frown on you lotting. Give me a WOE that there isnt any party allowed.

to be honest, i have a WoE Great Axe, and a Ukon. If your goal is to solo in WoE just stop while your ahead, its going to take an ungodly amount of time to finish 30 coins that way and you're doing it wrong. Get some people and do conflux 2 runs, its relatively easy, and very fast. Its not worth your time to solo that place, the drops are too random. It took me 4 weeks to complete the 30 coins because i had no help. It took me 5 hardcore 12 hour sessions on Glavoid to finish 50 shells with just 5 of us.

Ultimately the WoE can be faster if you do it right, and thats by doing cleared conflux runs. If your not going to complete it for Pouches, then just quit wasting your time and do the Emp.

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Originally Posted by katz

The trouble with this is how do you define it from the single player who is taking an active role in hit mobs and killing them. Ive gone into WOE solo, had to be my own healer dd raiser. I can do it but everyone else in the zone doesnt like it. I work harder than everyone else because I have to self sufficient and yet people frown on you lotting. Give me a WOE that there isnt any party allowed.

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They don't like you lotting because:
1) If the clearing group weren't there, the drops wouldn't be there either.
2) If you weren't there, the drops would still be there.
3) You might be throwing them off their normal strategy by forcing people to play for points rather than the win in order to make sure that all the winning chests stay in the clear group. Thus, you are making it harder to win. The chest system is heavily biased towards some jobs, and most of the leeches will come as those jobs so they can get a chest at the end more easily for playing the points system.

Didnt say i didnt understand why they didnt like me there. Just they stare at you for basically playing your own game in zone that allows it. I got plenty of kills in solo maybe not the boss but I was attacking it so why couldnt I get the drops from it. Not my fault they didnt ask me to join them when I asked to join their party. If you ask and they turn you down then they are basically telling you they dont want you to play by their rules.

The thing is, coin collecting can be done solo, while most of the NMs can't be (A MNK with a pocket WHM is not "solo."). Also, some of the NMs are in heavy competition and it can take longer than you expect to get all those items.
Also WoE weapon stage 2 and 3 are extremely simple and more or less fast, while the abyssea NMs will take some time due to needing to collect pop items.

@ above post: If you're contributing to the fight, I disagree with any notion that you shouldn't be entitled to lot. Now, there are people who stand there and do nothing then lot on stuff. But most people helped. And beating WoE#2 doesn't require rocket science, so the notion of throwing people off their strategy is nonsense unless you're being a Leeroy Jenkins.

Unless your server has flux7 open, WoE is a waste of time for 30 coins.

The only thing that is going to fix the zone is making coins extremely common, removing the pointless 30min lockdown and having some way of trading in useless bags (Ruin hi) for another through an NPC.

The whole leech thing is overdone and off topic. Groups can win without leeches, leeches will have their "I'm helping so I should be able to lot!" attitude. They're referred to as leeches because they are not needed to win, and thus the group sees them as contributing nothing. The leech cannot get the main chest and bonus chest without the group, but the group can get them without the leech, and thus can miss out on coins and bonus chests when a leech is present. The view is that the leech is following them because they will get a chance to lot these extra drops that they couldn't get on their own, at the expense of the people who are able to actually do the work to earn them. Yes, some drops are still worth quite a bit of gil. A pickup group should almost always accept random people in the zone, but a non-pickup group usually won't.

Its aggravating when there are 6-7 people trying to solo or duo, and 3 or 4 follow your group into a conflux instead of teaming up with the other people and doing #2.

As to the OP:
#2 is easily done in a pickup group of a few melees / mages and a sac for the small slimes.
#5 and #7 are routinely done by pet burns. From what I've seen, its usually smn for 7, and smn and bst for 5, though I can see pup fitting in on both of those.

The worst part of WoE is the GD CS you have to do each time. They could atleast make yes the top answer so you can spam it.

The concept of a pool like Campaign has always been suspect.

WoE needs to be a point system like Einherjar.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

Unless your server has flux7 open, WoE is a waste of time for 30 coins.

The only thing that is going to fix the zone is making coins extremely common, removing the pointless 30min lockdown and having some way of trading in useless bags (Ruin hi) for another through an NPC.

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flux 7? What's wrong with 1/2/3? 1 and 3 are easily solo/duo farmed, and 2 is easily winnable with a small group.

A campaign system would have worked okay if the event was enticing enough and was not much more difficult than campaign that people would have actually done it in greater numbers.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

flux 7? What's wrong with 1/2/3? 1 and 3 are easily solo/duo farmed, and 2 is easily winnable with a small group.

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Flux 7 has a high chance of 3-4 pouches in the pool after a win.

1/2/3 do not have that chance.

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Flux 7 has a high chance of 3-4 pouches in the pool after a win.

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Unless you can win it solo, it's a moot point.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Unless you can win it solo, it's a moot point.

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You're wasting your time in WoE if you're solo starting from 0 coins. Go to Abyssea.

If you're doing WoE in a group, flux7 is the best bang for your buck. It can be petburned, kited easily and has that high chance of pouches.

No other flux has the rate that flux7 can have.

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Originally Posted by Khiinroye

The whole leech thing is overdone and off topic. Groups can win without leeches, leeches will have their "I'm helping so I should be able to lot!" attitude. They're referred to as leeches because they are not needed to win, and thus the group sees them as contributing nothing. The leech cannot get the main chest and bonus chest without the group, but the group can get them without the leech, and thus can miss out on coins and bonus chests when a leech is present. The view is that the leech is following them because they will get a chance to lot these extra drops that they couldn't get on their own, at the expense of the people who are able to actually do the work to earn them. Yes, some drops are still worth quite a bit of gil. A pickup group should almost always accept random people in the zone, but a non-pickup group usually won't.

Its aggravating when there are 6-7 people trying to solo or duo, and 3 or 4 follow your group into a conflux instead of teaming up with the other people and doing #2.

As to the OP:
#2 is easily done in a pickup group of a few melees / mages and a sac for the small slimes.
#5 and #7 are routinely done by pet burns. From what I've seen, its usually smn for 7, and smn and bst for 5, though I can see pup fitting in on both of those.

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SE set it up for free for all so they are not doing anything wrong. This is why the event failed. You can't set up any point based LS system and doing so is a waste of time. You can't even set up a set time since the solo players would notice and come every run too. SE could have fixed this from the start. When your on a server with 2000 other players on at the same time as you who cares if that LS looks down on you. Do I like it no but it was the way it was put in

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You're wasting your time in WoE if you're solo starting from 0 coins. Go to Abyssea.

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Go to abyssea and do what? buy drops from other groups? I don't know any weapons that can be soloed up to the weaponskill by anyone.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Go to abyssea and do what? buy drops from other groups? I don't know any weapons that can be soloed up to the weaponskill by anyone.

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If you are going to be soloing WoE without a group from scratch for a weapon, you're better off doing Abyssea, getting a group to kill NMs and slowly working your way up to the Empyrean.

It isn't like XI has anything else to offer atm other than Abyssea - it's where most people are.

Soloing coins by killing the trash mobs could keep you in WoE for months. The only time doing WoE is worth it is if you can clear chambers consistently and even that fails outside flux7 due to the randomness of coinpurses in the main pool.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Go to abyssea and do what? buy drops from other groups? I don't know any weapons that can be soloed up to the weaponskill by anyone.

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Great Katana, Gun, Great Sword...
Carabosse - NIN/DNC
Cirein-croin - RDM, BLM, SCH all can solo it.

There you go and that's without brews.

With Luck I could see a NIN/DNC soloing Katana but Sobek tends to be a jerk a lot.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Go to abyssea and do what? buy drops from other groups? I don't know any weapons that can be soloed up to the weaponskill by anyone.

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NIN/DNC solo triggers then PUG the NM or just PUG the triggers and have em change jobs for the NM. Its not hard to do and you can get a decent number of pops done per run if you PUG triggers+NM. If you're against PUGing it or asking your LS to help then that's your problem and you're making it artificially more difficult on yourself and it doesn't change the fact that WoE is a horribly implemented system and its much easier to get an empy if you actually use all the tools available to you instead of blatantly shunning them.

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getting a group

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Getting a group to kill NMs for you and give you these drops is not as simple as you think for many people.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Getting a group to kill NMs for you and give you these drops is not as simple as you think for many people.

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Yeah it is I see shout groups all the time doing this, not even the same group of people doing it. Whats funny is they shout for sobak or carabosse and they are at 6 shouting for more. Pugs being pugs safety in numbers I geuss.

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Yeah it is I see shout groups all the time doing this

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1) Not all of those shout groups happen
2) you're right, it's not the same people doing it; that's what makes it so hard. You might get lucky and get one group that pops it once one day, some other group that pops it next week, yada yada. More often than not the people running it want what you want, thus you can't have it. The only likely exception is if you're doing staff, because no other weapon shares the same trial NM and nobody wants it.

It is not a simple matter. Just because you see people shouting for one of several different NMs here and tehre does not mean it's easy to join them AND get what you want.

When you're soloing/duoing with a friend, you have control over when you do stuff and you dont have competition. The unpopularity of WoE makes that even less of a problem. And again, with WoE, it's only one difficult, time consuming trial, not three (And if by some stroke of luck you DO have a group to do it with, you can probably get all three trials done in a day)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

1) Not all of those shout groups happen
2) you're right, it's not the same people doing it; that's what makes it so hard. You might get lucky and get one group that pops it once one day, some other group that pops it next week, yada yada. More often than not the people running it want what you want, thus you can't have it. The only likely exception is if you're doing staff, because no other weapon shares the same trial NM and nobody wants it.

It is not a simple matter. Just because you see people shouting for one of several different NMs here and tehre does not mean it's easy to join them AND get what you want.

When you're soloing/duoing with a friend, you have control over when you do stuff and you dont have competition. The unpopularity of WoE makes that even less of a problem. And again, with WoE, it's only one difficult, time consuming trial, not three (And if by some stroke of luck you DO have a group to do it with, you can probably get all three trials done in a day)

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You'd be the one shouting... thus you'd make the rules to get what you want. Sure not all of the groups happen but a lot of them do at least on my server they do since I see the same people who shouted for Briareus now shouting for Sobek.

You sound like no matter what options are presented you won't be happy. Guess what you're the one holding you back not the other players on the server or in this forum.

It is really simple pick one of these options:
1. Make a few friends (3 at most is needed) who play similar schedules, and decide on Emps to do together.
2. Shout for PUG people wanting +2 items to help you get emp items.
3. Shout for PUG people to do WoE with you.
4. Suck it up, accept you're playing an MMO and refuse to take part in the "multiplayer" part of an MMO and solo for coins.

If none of these options are acceptable to you well you're playing the wrong genre of game.

Hell one of the crap layers from titan shouted up every single NM he needed for his Almace. Seems he was good at shouting for help and getting it. People shout all the time for emp. weapon mobs offering the +2s as the carrot it seems to work. After a couple of days they move on to the next stage and start over. That is what I meant with not seeing the same people trying over and over. Guku is not even that big of a road block. I'm seeing more and more FC leech spot sellers in the coast now. If the shout says it's going to last 5 or so hours think how many KIs you will see.

So you advocate doing abyssea over WOE because you do both with a group for coins or skins. Makes as much sense as saying get a WOE group or Get an abyssea group, just dont go solo. Seems to be alot of rat pack syndrome. "i cant do it solo, therefore no one should"

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You'd be the one shouting... thus you'd make the rules to get what you want. Sure not all of the groups happen but a lot of them do at least on my server they do since I see the same people who shouted for Briareus now shouting for Sobek.

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You know what, I've tried that a bunch of times. Getting people by shouting isn't as easy as you think. I, nor the first one or two people I persuade want to wait an hour or more just to form a group to maybe kill an NM once or twice out of the 30 times needed.

WoE is substantially faster, and that's why it's available as an alternative.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You know what, I've tried that a bunch of times. Getting people by shouting isn't as easy as you think. I, nor the first one or two people I persuade want to wait an hour or more just to form a group to maybe kill an NM once or twice out of the 30 times needed.

WoE is substantially faster, and that's why it's available as an alternative.

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Something must be wrong with how you shout.

It takes 2 people(3 for TH if you aren't THF tanking) to kill 80 and 85 NMs. Anyone else is there for procing yellow/blue/red !! as desired. Unless you want to have plenty of bodies to throw at Sobek.

My friend and I tried duoing WoE single coins from crabs/antlions and in 3 weeks we got 1 coin I wanted and my friend got 0 before we gave up on soloing. In an additional 3 weeks with a WHM we got 50 helms for my sword and 50 for his katana, that's with KI farming from the NMs. It took us a month to get 50 skins for his katana with AoE Farming KIs a few days we did other things and a few lost Sobek's due to crazy Tyrant Tusks.

If you honestly think you can farm 30 coins that you need solo in 7 weeks, you're either crazy, luckiest person ever, or found a way to hack drops.

As I am sure many of you are curious about Walk of Echo adjustments, we managed to grab the dude in charge and confirmed a couple details. The below points outline the current direction the devs are looking into:

• Change Walk of Echoes into an 18 person reserved battlefield
• With the move to a reserved battlefield, the time limitation will be changed from 45 minutes to 30 minutes
• Revamp rewards granted upon clearing the battlefield
• Abolishment of additional rewards to players who are evaluated highly
• Change so that the whole party receives the clear title instead of just the highest evaluated player
• Addition of higher tier Walks of Echoes

They will continue to be exploring the specific content from here on out, so please feel free to leave any feedback!

So basically no more weapons for the soloists. Dont understand this game. Made relics soloist with the changes to dynamis and removed emps by making it 18 man. I guess I can throw away the coins Ive saved because they are useless now.

Thank you camate maybe now it won't suck but not holding my breath.

With the battlefields becoming reserved, will there still be a 30 minute cooldown between different groups accessing the battlefield? If not, it will be
30 minutes fighting > 30 minutes cooldown > same group enters.
Without the cooldown, it could be
30 minutes fighting (group 1) > 30 minutes fighting (group 2) > group 1 can enter again.

If not, I can see the confluxes being bogged down by solo/duo people, who can lock everyone else out of the conflux until they are done with it.

I doubt that people will team up to clear #2 instead of killing 4 or 5 mobs in #1 or #3, even with these changes.

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Originally Posted by katz

So basically no more weapons for the soloists. Dont understand this game. Made relics soloist with the changes to dynamis and removed emps by making it 18 man. I guess I can throw away the coins Ive saved because they are useless now.

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I don't understand the logic in doing things as a "soloist" in a massive multi-player online role playing game. Want it for an achievement of some sort? Cool then deal with it the way it works now, or works in the future but don't complain when a MMORPG doesn't cater to a "soloist"

Unless I missed something, he didn't say there was a minimum number of players to enter. So you could enter zones solo and take up the half hour. It's still possible to solo your weapon, but you have to actually solo it.

The trouble is it does cater for solo players. Its FOV design is for more solo players. The group activiities are only what ever is flavour of the month. At the moment its AF3 2 armour. But if the group has finished the mob it moves off and the event is left behind. Where is the challenges for the groups going to be when you have all got your armour and 1 person is left behind. Its always sorry we have finished doing that go get it solo. Well that effectively means you arent going to get it done. Look at all the posts that people are saying they cant do it because no group wants to go whether its Nyzul Limbus Sky Einherjar. Look at all the individual posts for changes to single jobs because they feel their group isnt utiliing them because they dont have x y or z skills because another job has it. Whether you like it or not this game is about individuals as much as it is about groups. MMORPG is about co operation amongst single people. If you have more time than the next person how many groups do you have to belong to get things done. How often do you run out of stones because you use them with a different group. So whats left for you to do. Wait 6 hours for maybe 1 hour of game play because thats the time the groups are on together. Yeah you can keep your group activity no one crafts in a group. Dont expect craft materials to be the ah because single people usually farm those. Why should these be the only activities left for the soloists. I work harder than any of your group leeches who may hit a mob once or twice I deserve more rewards not less.