Known Issues: New Atma Menu "Delayed" again?! /sulk More info if any if you PLEASE!

**EDIT- UPDATED THREAD BELOW: (Response from the Dev Team)**

As quoted from the recently posted update list:

- "The proposed atma interface improvement allowing players to save their favorite atma configurations has been delayed to a future version update due to development complications."

This was by far the most disappointing news amongst the otherwise positive bounty of additions and improvements that await us after the update is complete. I won't say that it's the end of the world by any stretch, but it's no lie that I for one have been anticipating this menu fix as if it were a new Job Ability being planned lol. I literally just asked someone about this very fix last night /stagger.

As a player that has come to understand some of the many challenges that confront SE on a daily basis, I've become highly tolerant of certain cosmetic and topical adjustment needs that have appeared throughout our beloved FFXI through the years. The same tolerance will hold true through this Atma menu, but I beg that the lines of communication be open to us in regards to the said "development complications" that have caused the second delay of this highly desired and anticipated adjustment. Even if it's something like the Devs are still trying to decided on the best way to do it, and would like Player feedback :) (wishful thinking a bit there)

There's more than enough to keep us busy in terms of new things to do, but I'm just asking for a bit more detailed communication on what's causing this new menu's wardrobe change to take so long. I really do pray that it's something they feel they could ask us about similar to how they asked about the possible "removing of the crafting skill caps" topic. It would be really great to get player feedback as to how we all would wish to quickly navigate our numerous pages of Atma in one place.

Thanks for listening Guys, /take care
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**EDIT(Response from Devs)**
Posted by Camate(Post 25):

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Originally Posted by Camate

As announced, you will be able to select an option to infuse yourself with the atmas that you last used. However, this is only a temporary solution and the development team is working on other ways to select atmas with increased speed. They are currently looking into the below two options:

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets
2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

Which would you all prefer to see implemented?

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Friggin' COOLNESS Folks! Cast your votes and junk! Thanks again Camate /salute
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*~~~~~~*Voting Finished (as of 5-23-11/ 5:12PM EST)*~~~~~~*

AND OPTION 2 WINS IT!

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**EDIT(Response from Devs)**
Posted by Camate(Post 89):

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Originally Posted by Camate

Judging from both the tally of players who chose option #2, as well as taking all of your feedback into account, the development team has decided to go with option #2. Just to give you all a bit more insight into what the development team has planned:

• Will add a feature that will remember the last 12 atmas used

As mentioned above this seemed to be the popular choice and the development team decided to proceed with this option based on that. This will allow players to view a list of the 12 most recently used atmas, but please note that due to technical barriers it will not be possible to rearrange the order of this list.

• The current feature to infuse yourself with the last atmas used will remain

There were a few concerns about whether this would stay or not and we just wanted to inform you that we have no plans of removing this feature.

• Separately looking into the possibility of adding a feature where you can maintain the use of two or three atmas without needing to talk to the Atma Infusionist.

Though we can’t promise that this will happen just yet, we are trying our best to implement something along the lines of this.

As always, moving forward with these changes if you have any suggestions or ideas that you feel strongly about please let us know and we will do our best to communicate them to the development team!

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Again, Coolness! Thanks for getting back to us Camate. /salute Continue to Discuss and junk Folks! /Discussion
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*~~~~~~*Abyssea Update Scheduled for June 6*~~~~~~*

LIST OF 12 MOST RECENTLY INFUSED ATMAS

**EDIT(Update from Devs)**
Posted by Camate(Post 1)

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Originally Posted by Camate

When performing atma infusions, players will be able to view and select from a list of their twelve most recently infused atma.

*When selecting from this list, players will be able to infuse two or three atma at once.
*This feature will function independently of the "Reinfuse previous atma set" option. (Atma selected from the list will not overwrite the previous atma set, nor will atma infused via "Reinfuse..." be stored in the list.)

If you wish to discuss or submit feedback on this topic, please use the [dev1015] tag.

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/cheer ^^
We've come full circle! lol An Epic win for the great communication and follow through from the Devs! It's a really great feeling to know the community got to vote on this and help with the development process. Very, very cool :D Thank you greatly Devs for reaching out and listening. /kneel + /salute

Thanks to everyone that voted! Thanks again to you Camate! /salute

I would of been happy with just a sort system or something to put the atmas I actually use on the first page. Assuming what they wanted to add was a little too complex.

True Strike /stagger

I wish you could Manually sort them yourself. I'd totally use 30 mins of my stones to go and make some Atma sets to store. I would do a MAB set for Mages or Eva Set for DNC and so forth. =\

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Originally Posted by Miera

I wish you could Manually sort them yourself. I'd totally use 30 mins of my stones to go and make some Atma sets to store. I would do a MAB set for Mages or Eva Set for DNC and so forth. =\

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AMEN to that lol /
I'm sure everyone would ^^

I also pray that the dreaded "PS2 limitations" don't pop up as one of the possible issues plaguing this wonderful fix @~@;

I didn't even know they were going to do this. This is such a time sync in Abyssea considering I have 2 chars.

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Originally Posted by kingfury

I also pray that the dreaded "PS2 limitations" don't pop up as one of the possible issues plaguing this wonderful fix @~@;

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They're sorted by Key Item ID. It's the same technical reason we can't sort our KI lists, and has nothing to do with the PS2. It's a shame that this got delayed but I can imagine it's rather tricky business attempting to implement a feature like this involving Key Items.

I was most looking forward to this. /cry

I am at 6 pages of atmas and alot of the one's I like to use are the very LAST in the list. Even being able to sort them to my liking would be cool. Ducal Guard and Zenith always the last in my VERY LONG list. /cry

I would have rather them drop and postpone all other new developments such as Grounds of Valor & Voidwatch in order for them to FOCUS solely on this atma issue. That's how strongly I feel about the matter... Oh well, whatever, just keep bringing the updates along, forget the atma groupings SE and go do all your other little side projects you have lined up for us in your nifty little roadmap...

Congratulations for acquiring all available atmas! Your reward is this Atma of the Savior, which is maginally useful! Your punishment is wading through 15 pages of menus every time you want to equip one of them!

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The proposed atma interface improvement allowing players to save their favorite atma configurations has been delayed to a future version update due to development complications.

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One reason why I was looking forward to the update. All the new items, quests and stuff are nice, but I would trade them in an instant for the promised functionality.

I think it would have been good enough just to put the most recently infused atmas at the top of the list.

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Originally Posted by Garota

I would have rather them drop and postpone all other new developments such as Grounds of Valor & Voidwatch in order for them to FOCUS solely on this atma issue. That's how strongly I feel about the matter... Oh well, whatever, just keep bringing the updates along, forget the atma groupings SE and go do all your other little side projects you have lined up for us in your nifty little roadmap...

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Really o_O? lol sure the Atma fix would've been nice but are you seriously saying you would rather have no new content and just a slight fix that would allow you to get your atma equipped 3 minutes faster. At least they brought up the fact that they are still working on it rather then ignoring the issue.
I'd say the best thing to do now is consider multiple methods that would work well in making atma equipping easier.

-One option that comes to mind would be to have Horst toggle on and off which atma are avaialable through the abyssea menu when you enter the zone. That way you can toggle off all the ones you don't need/want to use.

-Talk to Horst and set up a "favorite" menu of up to 12 atmas that you have obtained.

-Ideally I think people would want the option to create Atma sets where they could just talk to the NPC and magically have all 3 atmas set.

-Create a unique macro code for atmas where you target the infusionist after the input of /atma, followed by the shorthand of each atma:
ex.
La Theine Atmas:
Lion======-AOL
Stout Arm==ASA
Twin Claw==ATC
Allure======AOA
Heavens====AOH
Baying Moon=ABH
Ebon Hoof===AEH
Tremors=====AOT
Savage Tiger=AST

macro wise it would be set up as "/atma AST, AOT, AEH <t>"
Then the atma infusionist would ask if the following three are the atmas you wish to be infused with and if so then bam got your atmas. I doubt everyone uses all 20 macro books, so if the idea of easily having accessible atma setups is sucha high priority you could dedicate one row of macros to certain atma setups you use lol.

But yea, there are multiple options that could be used, honestly though the concept of more content is really more important then a silly function that can save you maybe 5 minutes. The idea of scrolling through the multiple pages isn't to tough if you just simply recall the ones you use most often, if it becomes such a prob you could easily look through your temporary KI list and just follow the order in which the Atmas are in because that's the same exact order they are in when you go to infuse them.

Or simply just make your own personal list, while you would still have to scroll through the pages at least you'll know what you are looking for,
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Atma
honestly just scroll down and view the way they have it organize you can easily just write down which ones you have and circle the ones that are important to you. After a while you'll easily recall where the atmas are and in the instance where you end up with a new atma it just means the list has been moved forward one spot from it's original location.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

They're sorted by Key Item ID. It's the same technical reason we can't sort our KI lists, and has nothing to do with the PS2. It's a shame that this got delayed but I can imagine it's rather tricky business attempting to implement a feature like this involving Key Items.

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Yep, I remember they said this in response to putting key items in alphabetical order.

I was thinking in terms of the "allowing players to save their favorite atma configurations" part where if they were considering letting players actually name the saved Atma combos. I could easily see this option causing possible memory issues for the limited space constraints already pushing the PS2. Especially folks that have near all Atmas lol.

Unfortunately, not knowing what's actually causing the issue though, one can only speculate that the problem is a technical one... or at least hope that is. o.0'

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Originally Posted by Maquis

One reason why I was looking forward to the update. All the new items, quests and stuff are nice, but I would trade them in an instant for the promised functionality.

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At the very least, trading Grounds of Valor for the future update vs this functionality >< lol since they're going to add more onto GoV in the next version updates anyway.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

I didn't even know they were going to do this. This is such a time sync in Abyssea considering I have 2 chars.

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I dual box myself lol I feel so helpless when trying to rush through the current atma menus with two characters! >< Depending on the Abyssea run, there's just no way to make sifting through 7-8 pages of atmas per character go any faster /stagger
Really funny you brought this up ^^

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Originally Posted by Mirage

I think it would have been good enough just to put the most recently infused atmas at the top of the list.

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lol surprisingly enough, as simple as this sounds, I would gladly take this as a temporary band-aid in the wake of development issues to the full menu design in a hot second. It would force all your frequently used atmas to the forefront of your list so the 1st 1-3 pages would constantly update your most popular atmas. /yes please ^^

If in fact the "development complications" are not technical in nature, I can't help but wonder how the new the menu would actually look compared to what we currently have. What all could they visually change about the menu functionality that would streamline the process in such a way that would cut down the selection process?

The "saving of our favorite atma configurations" functionality would be an interesting menu feature "visually speaking" all by itself. Adding another layer in the current Atma selection process that would open up the new paring of our desired 3 Atma's functionality alongside being able to continue perusing the long list of Atma's housed in the multiple pages sounds like nothing we've ever had in this game. Unless in fact I'm just forgetting a long lost menu that hasn't been used in a few years lol.

I'm tempted to give a player's concept rendition a shot as a preemptive step based on the possibility that the Dev team could actually want player feedback on the menu's design. ^^

Speaking of atmas. Did they ever fix that KI limitation?

Which KI limitation? ~.^

The one that when you hit 255 it kills your menus.

@_@; I didn't even know that issue existed! Has this happened to someone before? Did they post it as a known issue already, cause I wanna check it out.

There have been plenty, all the DEV responces have been "we don't know why, but we're looking into it."
Me specifically, my KI auto-trans menu has gone missing for one.

As announced, you will be able to select an option to infuse yourself with the atmas that you last used. However, this is only a temporary solution and the development team is working on other ways to select atmas with increased speed. They are currently looking into the below two options:

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets
2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

Which would you all prefer to see implemented?

#2 by far.

3 sets sounds good but id prefer to mix/match 12 atma of my choosing simply because it'd allow for greater flexibility with regards to job changes.

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Originally Posted by Camate

As announced, you will be able to select an option to infuse yourself with the atmas that you last used. However, this is only a temporary solution and the development team is working on other ways to select atmas with increased speed. They are currently looking into the below two options:

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets
2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

Which would you all prefer to see implemented?

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I would have to cast my vote for the first option. The second would be nice for people who frequently mix and match atmas, but it seems to me that those people are in the minority. Most use a single set for mages, another for dds, and maybe another for tanking or something, and rarely use anything else. I assume by you asking that getting both will not be viable?

Either would be fine with me, but I'm probably leaning towards the first option. What about 3 user-selectable sets, and a 4th set which would always be the last atma set you used?

Doing that would let people quickly select the three atmas they use most of the time, and in the event that they are using an uncommon atma combination, they can quickly reselect that after coming back into abyssea after getting more stones, dumping merits, or whatever it was they needed to leave for.

I'd have to say #2 by far. Especially if we cuold select where exactly these atmas were placed in said lists. A lot of times my friends and I may swap out single atmas for other atmas if we know we're going to be fighting something specific--especially for the tanks. Things like Orthrus' atma to be used on orthrus itself, and likewise for Dragua and isgebind.

#2 or change 1 to something like a page of atma length which i think 5? so the would say like

Razored Ruins, Voracious Violet, Apocalypse

all in one line

#2 clearly. Best of both worlds.

#2 would be best, of the two options, with a slight change: not last 12 recently used... just 12 selected by us.

A few concerns:
* I'm hoping all 12 will appear on a single menu page, not simply moving these 12 to the top of the atma list where we'd still have to navigate pages.

* I hope we can move their location around on this menu to our liking.

* I'd also hope we will be able to "highlight" the 3 we want, and then select to have them infused, all at one time; not selecting one at a time, confirming infuse, re-targeting NPC, selecting second... too much time there.

Here's another idea if nobody has kicked it out yet, put a "previous page" option on the first page of atma so you can wrap back around to the end of your list when it'd be quicker to go from that end.

As for the two main options, #2 would probably be bette. I wouldn't mind keeping the last three selection we've got now on top of whichever option you go with.

I'd like #2 best. I use three different configurations regularly just for RDM, and at least two for other jobs. I'd guess 3 saved sets wouldn't be enough for people who regularly bring multiple jobs.

I'm in agreement with choice #2. I use a lot of different jobs that use a multitude of atma. Off the top of my head, I can think in general I use at least ten common ones, with different odd ones for specific times. So that list of twelve would be nice, so you can pick the ones you'd always use, or two of them and a situational atma, etc.

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Originally Posted by AyinDygra

#2 would be best, of the two options, with a slight change: not last 12 recently used... just 12 selected by us.

A few concerns:
* I'm hoping all 12 will appear on a single menu page, not simply moving these 12 to the top of the atma list where we'd still have to navigate pages.

* I hope we can move their location around on this menu to our liking.

* I'd also hope we will be able to "highlight" the 3 we want, and then select to have them infused, all at one time; not selecting one at a time, confirming infuse, re-targeting NPC, selecting second... too much time there.

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I'm going to go with #2, and I support the idea of it being a list selected by us.

<--jumps on the #2 bandwagon with his #2 pencil in hand

--Antanias

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Originally Posted by AyinDygra

#2 would be best, of the two options, with a slight change: not last 12 recently used... just 12 selected by us.
A few concerns:
* I'm hoping all 12 will appear on a single menu page, not simply moving these 12 to the top of the atma list where we'd still have to navigate pages.
* I hope we can move their location around on this menu to our liking.
* I'd also hope we will be able to "highlight" the 3 we want, and then select to have them infused, all at one time; not selecting one at a time, confirming infuse, re-targeting NPC, selecting second... too much time there.

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1st. Thanks a ton Camate for getting back about this! ^^ /salute It's very awesome to give us a chance to give feedback in regards to the designing of this new menu.

2nd. I was leaning more towards option #1 until I came across what AyinDygra here posted. If we can skim down this list of most recently used Atmas and use a checkbox type of functionality to quickly select up to 3 Atmas and confirm all in one swipe, the "3 sets of Atma" is pretty weak in comparison. Of course if we can't hope to see this type of functionality with the list, and have to choose one at a time, my vote goes with #1 option.

Thanks again /salute
P.S. The "remembering the last infused Atma" is a very nice placeholder until the full menu is up and running ^^ /

#2 or up to 5~6 sets with #1.

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Originally Posted by Camate

As announced, you will be able to select an option to infuse yourself with the atmas that you last used. However, this is only a temporary solution and the development team is working on other ways to select atmas with increased speed. They are currently looking into the below two options:

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets
2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

Which would you all prefer to see implemented?

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Option #1 please.