Crystals in abyssea!

Is it to much to ask for? Crystal supply is massively low since only non abyssea mobs drop them, and everyone is inside abyssea. At one point on odin their was only 7 stacks of wind crystals on all nations AH combined. Not to mention as a result the price of them (all of them) have skyrocketed. I used to pay 300 for a stck now im paying 5000!

Considering its crafters that are useing them, it seems a delibreat slap in the face to those that have stuck with the game long enough to skill up their crafts. (which is a battle in and of itself) They put all that time and work in to it, and now they have issues with something as simple as a crystal. /sigh

If the game is going to be focused around abyssea for a good while, then please, let abyssea mobs drop crystals.

I often see several dozen stacks of crystals up on AHs, and crystals are a nice way for new players (believe it or not, they actually exist!) to get some quick cash. Not really sure if this is a problem, abyssea give you laughably huge amounts of *everything else*, maybe no crystal drops should just be the tradeoff for this.

sadly i agree, it is a good source for new players now. Its the only good thing to come out of it. And while a single stack jacked up might not seem liek much, when you have to buy bulk quanity, it truly adds up. I keep track of all my crafting bindges, what i used to pay for crystals at 7k~ total, is now costing well over 100k~. Its insain. Lvlin crafts are hard and expencive enough. Expecaly with so many loss of gil synths. This is one thing crafters dont need.

Increased crystal costs are the same for all crafters trying to make the same crafts. One maker of marinara pizza will feel the same increase in crystal prices as every other chef on the server, so there is no advantage or disadvantage to anyone, all that needs to be done is to charge more moneys for the final product. Considering you can make money out of thin air through a variety of methods, this is hardly a real problem.

If it's too much, you could always farm crystals yourself :>

'jsut raise the price of final product' is not always a adaquite solution. Not only will you then have everyone bitching about how much the product is, or the fact that it still doesnt take care of the supply problem, but what about ppl crafting (skilling) that are forced to npc their product? If you can find a way for me to just 'raise the price' of the goods im npcing, then ill give ya a million gill. Not to mention theirs a large number of synths for skilling tha are pure loss. Sometimes into the 100k+ some ppl have even told me well over 1m+ is losses. Crystals is jsut a slap in the face to that.

besides, why are you trying to defend a lack of crystal supply? greed? bordem? stupidity?

I've never had a hard time getting the crystals I need as a high level player, but then again if you're asking for them in Abyssea I doubt you're low level to start with. Nearly every job can farm elementals for the crystals they need short of maybe dark and light element due to their location and/or difficulty. Though, a character that's traversing the abyss shouldn't have too much of an issue farming their own elementals.

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Originally Posted by thefinalrune

a character that's traversing the abyss shouldn't have too much of an issue farming their own elementals.

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Exactly!

1. Get off your ass
2. Farm
3. ???
4. Profit.

If anyone actually paid attention to the storyline of Abyssea, in that world the Mother crystal is no longer shattered and the crystal lines are receding. All of the crystal shards have been retracted back into one mass (or in the process of). I wouldn't expect crystals to be in Abyssea.

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besides, why are you trying to defend a lack of crystal supply? greed? bordem? stupidity?

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Crystal prices were higher then they are now years ago and calling people names isn't going to get your point across.. Fire crystals use to sell for 5-7k a stack and if your leveling a craft and losing gil thats always been the problem, if you don't want to pay the AH price the alternative is to farm your clusters from elementals.. AH prices can be raised if you choose to synth for gil you have to compete with everyone else in the market but at the same time they are spending the gil on the crystal and losing out on gil where you can farm and make more gil then them. I farm practically everything I synth, why? because Im too cheap to pay the AH price for leveling a synth. There isn't anything you can't farm or buy from an NPC most HNM can be low manned now and all the high priced synth stuff has dropped in AH price because its not as hard to get it. End result a lot of high priced things (not all but a lot) have drastically reduced in price but its still not break even prices and the determined profit maker is still making profit. Rare items are being sold next to nothing but the items that are crafted from these still have a potential of High mark up prices. A lot of things in this game have been taken away and if your wanting to make gil off NPC'ing crafts then the only way to do this is trade time for gil. If you don't find it worth doing anymore then quit doing it and find a new way of making gil.
If your use to paying 300 gil a stack you weren't really spending 25 gil per crystal and if your spending 5k on a stack your spending 500 gil per crystal and with the lack of synthers in this day and age it isn't that much to raise your synth prices at the AH. If your worried about other people complaining about the AH prices of your synth then 1 take the loss and craft based off other peoples opinions and this will get you a net loss. #2 raise the price let people complain because this has always been what happens in this game. Prices go up and consumers complain materials go up and synth prices dont synthers complain. All prices go up everyone complains its a business your in and not as competitive as it use to be so if you want to make gil adjust your prices as such but don't complain because you choose not to farm your own crystals and want to complain about what the market is doing.
I honestly prefer the lack of underbidding on prices and the higher crystal prices I have plenty of jobs I will level up and collect crystals and sell on the AH so I will make gil in the process of it instead of just NPC'ing crystals for 10-15gil each because the market is flooded and everyone chooses to underbid

Go kill elementals. Spend like 2-3 hours in places with a decent amount of crystals and you'll have more than you can handle. >_>

Plus on the next Major patch I believe they are merging all the AHs and they are merging the servers. So there will be plenty of crystals which should help lower the prices. But otherwise just go and either farm crystals in higher leveled areas, or level up a lower leveled job or just go and spent the massive amounts of cruor/dominion notes you'll have and buy the crystals that way.

Don't lower the price of my crystals ):

I've only been playing for 2 months.

Crystals are the only things that sell with any sort of consistency, and for a decent price.

I'd have absolutely no money if it wasn't for Crystals. I buy out crystals when they're going for 600-800g a stack, and resell once they're going for 3-5k. Selling out my stock of Fire Crystals now for a 2400 profit, have about 12 stacks that need to be sold. (:

i love how everyones reason for being against that is simply so they can make more gill. No experenced player should rly need to rely on crystals as their income to being with. The only ppl that have a logical right to make that claim is guys like Todo. New players who actuly need stuff liek that.

But that can be counterd with a simple adjsutment. Every nation has repeatable starter quests that give gill as a reward. Soemthing noone excpet new players might do. Just adjust the reward of that to something actuly worth while for the new players, and that problem gone.

99% of all crystals are used by crafters. So they should be desigen to serve their needs. Its not like you wake up one day and say ima take that craft to 100, and by that night its done. It takes (most) months of work, if not longer. And a loss of unbeleiveable amounts of gill leveling. Its insulting to those long term FF players that put so much time and effort into their crafts only to dela with massive crystal shortages, and as a result, insainly high prices.

Adding some crystal drops to mobs is not that big of a request. And intill recently, the way its always been. So its not that big a change. Support your crafters!

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Originally Posted by Yarly

Exactly!

1. Get off your ass
2. Farm
3. ???
4. Profit.

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Originally Posted by Nephilipitou

Go kill elementals. Spend like 2-3 hours in places with a decent amount of crystals and you'll have more than you can handle. >_>

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The reality is that 5k ish is what stacks of crystals should be worth in the first place and they were higher priced like GERM said, then the crystals went down to like 500 gil per stock, specially wind crystals from all the colibri parties, and to give you a point that was because ToAU was the main focus point for players at the time. That was a golden era for crafters in that sense, because you could take advantage of such low prices, but then again not so good for new players.

I have Goldsmithing 100 with all subs 60 and Woodworking 100 on my mule, yet crystals is last on my list of complains, I have a mule with at least 10 stack of each different kind of crystal for rainy days when they're hard to find or whatever, I have many more mules that garden stuff for me so I can reduce my overall investment, like GERM said I'm cheap too. Now that's not to say that has to be your solution, but as a experienced player you claim to be, you should be more than capable to find ways to get your raw materials (to include crystals) and resources.

So once again:

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Originally Posted by Yarly

Exactly!

1. Get off your ass
2. Farm
3. ???
4. Profit.

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Classic South Park ^^

Best way to get crystals is to go old style partying outside of Abyssea. If you supplied crystals in abyssea then the other area would definately have no reason to go. New players lower than level 30 and havent passed the maat fight yet need older players to help them out. If you are always stuck in Abyssea then they dont stand a chance. And yes, there are new people in the game, but you probably wont have found them cos you are stuck in Abyssea. There isnt any problems in farming elementals either. Plenty about if you go looking.

Well i believe that i myself and so many others like GodofGods have seen very large amounts of gil go into crafting, whether it be for profit, for friends, or for ourselves. I do have to say that crystals are a great way for new players to get gil built up right now (i got my gil fishing moat carp when i started) and i have seen enough crystals go through through my gobbie bag then i care to try and keep track of, this is just my option but when i have the gil i hit the ah for my crystals. However when i want to make/save as much gil as i can i have sat in area's for 2 and 3 hrs waiting on weather. So it can go both way's i believe, unless your a power crafter then i see no problem with taking a little of time to farm the elemental's you need.

As said earlier, cruor is more or less directly convertable into gil. Take some of those 5 billion cruor you've got and NPC some gear. There's your abyssea crystals.

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Originally Posted by Bustax

I have a mule with at least 10 stack of each different kind of crystal for rainy days when they're hard to find or whatever

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I have 7 mules dedicated to storing my crystals. I miss the days where they were all full.

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Originally Posted by katz

Best way to get crystals is to go old style partying outside of Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

As said earlier, cruor is more or less directly convertable into gil. Take some of those 5 billion cruor you've got and NPC some gear. There's your abyssea crystals.

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I never said it was impossible to afford it. But rather the supply was maasively limited now. (prices are jsut a side effect of that) With only new ppl and a fewolder ppl doing subs, very few are reaching the AH. Not to mention the idiots who feel the price of crystals 'arnt worth their time' to put up on the AH. (hate them ppl)

While yes, cryatls can be specficly farmed form pts or ele's, the time involed can be illogical. Farming one or two stacks for crafting is one thing. But usaly when i craft, its across two days, and i run though a good 50 or so stacks of crystals. The time it would take to try and farm that many crystals independently would take longer then the entire crafting prossess. Their for not a loggical thing to do. So i buy off the AH, naturaly. And i have no problem paying a decent price to those that did collect them from their parties and put them on AH. However supply is still a problem irregaurdless. Their have been times I search every AH and they all had 2~5 stacks left, or flat out.. out of them entirly. For server wide thats a bit of an issue. And im jsut one person that cant get enough crystals. Their many other ppl on these servers that might need them as well. So i feel supply needs to be looked at. If not in abyssea then maybe up the amount that drop from normal mobs outside a fair bit. Something...

The biggest problem is that people are buying the crystals at such a huge price. I've seen fire crystals go from 800-1200 at stack to see them get to 2000-3000 a stack and there were like 30-40 up at one time. That's not a supply issue right there. I've seen fire crystals sell for 200 a stack with there being only 200-300. I used to buy light crystals for 1k a stack.

The problem with the high crystal prices is not Abyssea. If you're able to get into Abyssea, Cruor is far more profitable NPCing than crafting is unless you're HQing stuff you bought for cheap.

If the prices are too high then NPC 1 piece of Teal, Aurore, or Perle gear and buy 1-4 stacks of crystals depending on your server, prices, etcetera. I have 400k gil so if I put the time and effort to go back and forth I could turn that into anywhere from 1-2 mil.

If your'e doing the Dominion Ops then you'll make even more cruor, and you'll make Dominion Ops which is like 150k = 700k

at 480 dominion Ops and like 1200 cruor per 5 kills, you end up with 240 cruor per kill at least, and like 100 dominion ops per kill.

you're basically making 560 gil per kill based off of Cruor-Gil exchange rate estimate of 3000 Cruor being 7k gil on average. You're then making another 466 gil per kill off of Dominion Ops for the same ratio. So by meriting jobs for the hell of it you can literally make 1k per kill at absolute highest efficiency I can calculate for. Even if you're only doing half of that, you're still much more likely to make more gil than farming anything else I can think of and that's a per person rate.

Or you could go and do BCNMs and make 500k-1mil on a good day per run you do.

But at the end of the day the ones that have the biggest right to complain are the people leveling BLM and scholar and want Tier IVs for procing lights because if we don't have them we can't proc as often as we should, and it costs 1 mil to get all the tier IVs. Which I'm going to bite the bullet and buy. And farming them is not easy at all otherwise I would have done it by now but it requires high level NMs one of which I've already killed half a dozen times for testimonies, and the drop rate just isn't that good.

Plus we also have those elemental staves to buy which is another mil if you get all the HQs. Unless you spend a ton of time farming you're spending millions just to get your seals to drop more frequently. So... ya... um... sorry if I find it hard to sympathize with you about the whole crystals being over priced thing. It helps the lower level players, and higher level players can afford it. We don't need crystals to drop simultaneously with everything else. We're already making like 1k gil per kill if done correctly and killing multiple times per minute. That doesn't even include Cruor chests.

I would love to see crystals drop in abyssea but I think I'm in the minority on that.

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Originally Posted by Hoshi

I would love to see crystals drop in abyssea but I think I'm in the minority on that.

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This is a classic example of someone just burning through the game and not playing the "story" of the game. Go back and do some missions

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Originally Posted by Kyrtia

If anyone actually paid attention to the storyline of Abyssea, in that world the Mother crystal is no longer shattered and the crystal lines are receding. All of the crystal shards have been retracted back into one mass (or in the process of). I wouldn't expect crystals to be in Abyssea.

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Hey everyone. I'm new to this game. When I find a crystal I just use it. I play on Cerebrus crystals cost 5K for 12. I am not that rich in the game to afford those just to up my clothcraft. So I just use one if I find one. I have my storage full of yagundo (sp) necklaces. I just wish I knew how to farm more of the crystals. I don't mind farming. I like it - it's part of the RPG experience. It makes you feel good when you build something nice out of all your invested time.

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Originally Posted by Lamer

Hey everyone. I'm new to this game. When I find a crystal I just use it. I play on Cerebrus crystals cost 5K for 12. I am not that rich in the game to afford those just to up my clothcraft. So I just use one if I find one. I have my storage full of yagundo (sp) necklaces. I just wish I knew how to farm more of the crystals. I don't mind farming. I like it - it's part of the RPG experience. It makes you feel good when you build something nice out of all your invested time.

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I understand what you mean, this is a good site to you for your crafting recipes and to find the location of the elementals you will need to get crystal cluster's. http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Main_Page If you need to crystals best to farm the elemental's, but they only appaer if the area has the weather effect.

I've have made plenty of gil from being in Abyssea from the normal drops and cruor, and you're worried about crystals? If AH is in low supply, take some time to go get some from elementals in the areas they are located in. If you have access to sky, that would be the best place to farm. May need to bring a friend along if you can't handle them yourself.

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Originally Posted by JagerForrester

I've have made plenty of gil from being in Abyssea from the normal drops and cruor, and you're worried about crystals? If AH is in low supply, take some time to go get some from elementals in the areas they are located in. If you have access to sky, that would be the best place to farm. May need to bring a friend along if you can't handle them yourself.

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Also when you join a party ask if you can lot the crystals to craft. Sometimes you'll get an entire party that just doesn't care about crystals and before you know it you have your inventory full cause you've been lotting on 4 crystals a kill.

What is it with crafters; some complain so much! I dont craft because of the problems with the availability of items needed. Crystals like a lot of synth items are on the AH, so "supply and demand" is the dominante factor. If you dont like it, dont craft.

What everyone else said, farm elementals. No one really does anymore, they're freakin everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Melvin52

Crystals like a lot of synth items are on the AH, so "supply and demand" is the dominante factor.

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hence the reason for asking for an increase in supply.

As for the rest saying 'go farm' do all of us a favor.. read the posts in the thread before posting. And if your not going to.. then dont post

I did read the posts before I submitted my last post. Hope you did too, and not just the last page.

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Originally Posted by Kyrtia

If anyone actually paid attention to the storyline of Abyssea, in that world the Mother crystal is no longer shattered and the crystal lines are receding. All of the crystal shards have been retracted back into one mass (or in the process of). I wouldn't expect crystals to be in Abyssea.

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Therefore if they don't add crystals to Abyssea as you wish, I guess you could wish more crystals elsewhere or... you know... beat up an elemental.

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Originally Posted by JagerForrester

I did read the posts before I submitted my last post. Hope you did too, and not just the last page.

Therefore if they don't add crystals to Abyssea as you wish, I guess you could wish more crystals elsewhere or... you know... beat up an elemental.

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Ok.. for those not reading all the comments before posting, and those still simply saying go farm eles, or use abys to earn gill to buy them.. i refere you to post #18

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Originally Posted by Godofgods

I never said it was impossible to afford it. But rather the supply was maasively limited now. (prices are jsut a side effect of that) With only new ppl and a few older ppl doing subs, very few are reaching the AH. Not to mention the idiots who feel the price of crystals 'arnt worth their time' to put up on the AH. (hate them ppl)

While yes, cryatls can be specficly farmed form pts or ele's, the time involed can be illogical. Farming one or two stacks for crafting is one thing. But usaly when i craft, its across two days, and i run though a good 50 or so stacks of crystals. The time it would take to try and farm that many crystals independently would take longer then the entire crafting prossess. Their for not a loggical thing to do. So i buy off the AH, naturaly. And i have no problem paying a decent price to those that did collect them from their parties and put them on AH. However supply is still a problem irregaurdless. Their have been times I search every AH and they all had 2~5 stacks left, or flat out.. out of them entirly. For server wide thats a bit of an issue. And im jsut one person that cant get enough crystals. Their many other ppl on these servers that might need them as well. So i feel supply needs to be looked at. If not in abyssea then maybe up the amount that drop from normal mobs outside a fair bit. Something...

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Once the make all AH's connected, crystal prices should stabilize. However, I am all for keeping crystals at about 2-4k a stack because of the new players coming in. Selling crystals is an excellent way to make gil and is a much easier way to make it than the old method of beehive chips and grain seeds. New players get crystals automatically by leveling up solo from 1-20 and that's a lot of gil made to get them some decent armor.

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Originally Posted by Jacode

Once the make all AH's connected, crystal prices should stabilize. However, I am all for keeping crystals at about 2-4k a stack because of the new players coming in. Selling crystals is an excellent way to make gil and is a much easier way to make it than the old method of beehive chips and grain seeds. New players get crystals automatically by leveling up solo from 1-20 and that's a lot of gil made to get them some decent armor.

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assuming they remember signet' lol

I also think taxes for the starter cities should be kept low. It'll help newbies, and might make starter towns not entirely abandoned by greedy higher level players who want to save some gils :p

well they were discussing mergeing all the AH's. If they did, they might have to redo the AH tax fees.
On a side note, it would be nice to alter the lower costing items. alot of them cost a good 10%+ to put up. It makes a lot of ppl npc them instead.

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Originally Posted by Godofgods

Is it to much to ask for? Crystal supply is massively low since only non abyssea mobs drop them, and everyone is inside abyssea. At one point on odin their was only 7 stacks of wind crystals on all nations AH combined. Not to mention as a result the price of them (all of them) have skyrocketed. I used to pay 300 for a stck now im paying 5000!

Considering its crafters that are useing them, it seems a delibreat slap in the face to those that have stuck with the game long enough to skill up their crafts. (which is a battle in and of itself) They put all that time and work in to it, and now they have issues with something as simple as a crystal. /sigh

If the game is going to be focused around abyssea for a good while, then please, let abyssea mobs drop crystals.

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When ever I hear this, I can't help but wonder how "back water" the servers these comments are coming from. On Siren, crystals are almost always over stocked.

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Originally Posted by Godofgods

Is it to much to ask for? Crystal supply is massively low since only non abyssea mobs drop them, and everyone is inside abyssea. At one point on odin their was only 7 stacks of wind crystals on all nations AH combined. Not to mention as a result the price of them (all of them) have skyrocketed. I used to pay 300 for a stck now im paying 5000!

Considering its crafters that are useing them, it seems a delibreat slap in the face to those that have stuck with the game long enough to skill up their crafts. (which is a battle in and of itself) They put all that time and work in to it, and now they have issues with something as simple as a crystal. /sigh

If the game is going to be focused around abyssea for a good while, then please, let abyssea mobs drop crystals.

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oh my, please no. new players need money while ppl in abyssea can easily make tons of gil just farming gold chests. moreover monsters already drop mountains of crap, stuffing the treasure pool. you know, some of us also have equipment with them, they don't go out of their mog house just to farm crystals

if u need them so badly, just look for elementals, or just sell what u got in aby and buy crystals from ppl who have no other way of farming.

ok, ppl like Tsukino_Kaji and vajral who simply read the first post and go straight to the end to comment, are not worth my time to say what iv already posted a few time previosuly.

Well Godofgods, all I will add is that the repeating of the same thing over and over again reinforces the statement. Because repetition is the key to learning.

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Originally Posted by Sargeb33

Because repetition is the key to learning.

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Thats what she said >_>