Abyssea Voidwalker Notorious Monsters: Tier 2.

Can you guys alter the pop timer for these? 10 minutes after they die, where a lot of people still camp them for upgrading to T3 pops sucks.

Can you guys at least have more than 1 pops (isn't there like 50+ T1 pops just roaming around or something?) or have it that you can pop one 3-5 minutes after somebody else poped theirs? Meaning we don't have to wait until they solo it down to 0 to start the 10 minutes until it pops again? Sometimes it takes 10-20 minutes for somebody to solo one.

I read the bold part as "pooped."

There is no reason VNMs shouldn't be 100% on upgrade if you proc red.

Why VNMs were made "special" is beyond me.

Just finished ochain and i totally support this.

I also support bringing back Hironobu Sakagucghi to SE.

And Hiring Isladar.

And banning Starcade.

..And world spawns HNM.

I support more Server Event HNMs like Twinkling Treant.

VNMs aren't 'special', they utilize the same random system VNMs had before Abyssea came around. And frankly I'm glad to have mobs I can spam terrorize on a few times.

man, I read 2 and a half posts on topic, after 6 posts.

Isn't anyone actually going to respond to this seriously, like a developer or somebody?

The developers do not reply often, and they only seem to reply in threads where people are crying about how stuff is so hard, or how they procrastinated so long to do something so no one is wanting to help them.

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Originally Posted by Novax

The developers do not reply often, and they only seem to reply in threads where people are crying about how stuff is so hard, or how they procrastinated so long to do something so no one is wanting to help them.

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thanks for the tip.

I thought they look at everything and post back at the serious questions, but I guess you might be right.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

There is no reason VNMs shouldn't be 100% on upgrade if you proc red.

Why VNMs were made "special" is beyond me.

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I agree with this. It's ridiculous that the Tier 2 VNMs cannot change even when procing red.

I'm down supporting this thread.

Pop time should be reduced or at least make multiple pops. Procing red should give T3 KI.

Multiple T2 VNMs in Abyssea zones would not be a bad thing, honestly. When your zone has over 100+ people and three or more people inside it all competing for the same invisible mob to pop, that's not even close to good design.

The only T2 VNM that's not overly camped on my server is Chione, since she doesn't seem to be solo friendly, while the Titan is well known for being easy solo for seals / upgrade, and Gamayun drops all the bandwagon MNK body seals you'd ever need for free. Makes it pretty unreasonable to be able to even get to claim alot of them, and the endless supply of T1 VNM roaming all across the zones make it seem silly that there's only a single T2 and even T3 hiding out.

Another thing I've noticed is that there's a trick of holding a T3 pop and having a T2 pop so people can endlessly pop T2 VNMs for seals and items, and that doesn't seem that fair to me. I always figured the upgrade system would work it where someone's Abyssite would upgrade, forcing them to refarm a new pop, or clear up the competition for a pop in a way SE thought was fair. I'm curious if that's a feature "Working as intended" according to Dev Team, or something they might want to reconsider if they plan on a VNM overhaul some year.

PS - Community Rep said in some other thread that the dev team only takes notice of highly debated / highly talked about topics, so better start coming up with ideas or a thousand pages of whining / crying til they seem to take notice of this thread.

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Originally Posted by Novax

how they procrastinated so long to do something so no one is wanting to help them.

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Yeah, I guess all those new players who don't know anyone should just quit the game because they procrastinated so long to do their level breaks... and all the rest of the game's content. I mean really - they just joined this month but they have no right to ask for things to be rebalanced because no one does the content they haven't finished yet anymore. They should have done it when it came out like everyone else... like with their non existent character.

Oh wait! Existing players would rather see the playerbase dwindle away to nothing than see things adjusted to current realities so they are achievable by new and returning players.

There is no fudging way 3 out of 100 people are killing T2... I've seen 3-4 LINKSHELL groups killing T2 in Vunkryl at the same time. When they lost the claim, they go kill elemental; thus all the sudden nothing left in Vunkryl near Flux 1.

If you and your buddy try to duo it in weekend, well too bad you are most likely out of luck.

But I thought abyssea was easy-sauce and only for under-casuals

I do feel these should be 100% or close to upgrade with a red proc. Again we only try for red to upgrade so it would allow people farming for upgrades to piss off while other's could continue to farm Gear/Items. Another thing that might be better would be to have at least two Tier 2 VNM's in each zone. Even with a small party these can take 10 min to kill so it would stagger spawn times so competition isn't so retarded.

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Originally Posted by Chilzen

Another thing I've noticed is that there's a trick of holding a T3 pop and having a T2 pop so people can endlessly pop T2 VNMs for seals and items

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As for this, yes I have tried it when I was doing trial VNM's. My tier two kept upgrading first kill pissing me off. The only problem is when you rest it uses your Tier 3 KI to find the closest VNM you have a spawn item for. So if you have both Tier 2 and Tier 3 vnm spawns it'll say the mob is so far away using your highest tier spawn. You can find Tier twos like this easy but you always have a chance to spawn the tier 3's as well and get RAPED. It's kinda funny and has happened to me several times. Another problem is if your tier 2 you are after isn't up it will still track the tier 3. You have no accurate way to track which tier of nm your about to spawn.

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Originally Posted by Pikel

You have no accurate way to track which tier of nm your about to spawn.

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Sure you do. Just read the message. Feebly is T1, softly is T2, and solidly is T3.

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Originally Posted by Chilzen

Multiple T2 VNMs in Abyssea zones would not be a bad thing, honestly. When your zone has over 100+ people and three or more people inside it all competing for the same invisible mob to pop, that's not even close to good design.

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Competing is even worse when everyone else is using 3rd party tools to let them see the mob so they don't have to click rest till they are right on top of it and not getting caught.

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Originally Posted by GlobalVariable

Competing is even worse when everyone else is using 3rd party tools to let them see the mob so they don't have to click rest till they are right on top of it and not getting caught.

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Not everyone uses 3rd Party tools. Although I have seen my fair share of "lucky rests" I don't think that EVERYONE uses 3rd party tools. But when those "lucky rests" people decide to camp a T2, I just run and do something else.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Not everyone uses 3rd Party tools. Although I have seen my fair share of "lucky rests" I don't think that EVERYONE uses 3rd party tools. But when those "lucky rests" people decide to camp a T2, I just run and do something else.

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Ahem. I am aware "not everyone" uses them because I am not so please don't nitpick wording and act like its not RAMPANT. The context of the sentence was indicates I'm talking about everyone else present during that time.

These people are very open about it and if they see you resting multiple times instead of 1 rest and popped they will laugh about it in /say "looool lrn2 {toolnamehere} nub" (edited out name of the program...There is more than 1 that does this and I've reported both to the STF). In non abyssea zones where there are multiple tier2 VNM these same people openly say in party chat that they can see which VNM it is and comment "damn thing is moving again" without having rested at all. It is near impossible to join a shout run for these without running into one so I'm either at the mercy of my friends schedules now or have to look the other way knowing that with years of experience with it reports wouldn't have an impact anyway.

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I've been reporting it since it began and nothing was done. In another thread
someone links this youtube video and now its fixed (until cheaters update their programs)...Why do we have the STF again?