+4 is a big miss

Big big oof friends.

I don't know what you were thinking here, but this is going to be a real big yikes.

No damage taken-

No new spells tied to gear

for pet jobs, No pet: {HP+, enmity+, damage taken-, regen, regain, or occasional absorb/nullify damage}

SMN didn't get any sort of buff to their Blood Pact: Ward skills via new unique added stats even.

Most of the unique stats on the gear didn't change at all.

This update is devoid of ingenuity with regard to the rewards. For the content I'll have a look at that eventually... maybe now is a good time to go on a break from the game while SE fixes this or adds +5 with the real updated stats on gear.

yea.....just wow, i was kind of expecting more when they said "bringing it in line with the empyrean +3" gear........from as far as i can tell right now, there are a couple pieces 'worth' +4ing........and it would only be gear you had for specific purposes

i mean in many of the cases, the best thing the gear got was +5-10 accuracy/attack and +1 to skill.......


they really would have been served by making a new armor set that drops here and just adjusted the damn ++2/3 variants of all the armor to have bigger boosts

actually, thinking about it just now.......what if the idea is, this gear is more to bridge the gap to help you get empy+3 and sheol gear?

like, if this should have been content that was there before sortie/odyssey but after dynamis D?......just a thought.....kind of feels like that is where the official position of the gear is.

the max level you can set is 130 currently, kind of where im leaning currently

I'm really disappointed by the marginal upgrades.

Even worse, Beastmaster AF has no hint to being a Frontline DD? ...You could have combined Charm+ onto a single piece, and then giving BSTs more offensive stats.

You have to remember that the af/relic/emp sets all have a "theme" to them. AF is max acc/ relic is max attack and enhances group 2 merits/ emp seems to be -DT and unique set bonus. All they did was bring the af/relic sets basic stat/combat skills up to be on par with the emp sets. They did not change what you do with the pieces. While it would be great to have -DT on every set; it seems they want that to be part of the emp set "theme".

side note: The bst relic body seems to not have changed at all. Is this just a translation error? or a oversight?

SE did state there is a bug in the official update thread with Ankusa body +4 stats appearing lower on the gear than actual effective.

I do get what you mean about the theme, but if their goal was to bring it in line with empy, it is a massive letdown......a number of pieces still get beat on basic acc/atk stats that empy has, not to mention the DT on the empy gear. They did bridge the gap a little, but many pieces still have quite a gap.

the other part that makes me sad, i know there were pieces that were 'maybe' on upgrades, and almost certain many of them fall short still. and then the sheer number of 'donts' gear that just serve no purpose.

only part that hurts more, its the effort that goes into getting those minimal increases.....doesnt feel worth it with some of the stuff, at least imo.

You have to ask who this is a "big miss" for. . . because I am genuinely excited about this. FFXI gear progression is typically about little drops here and there that cumulatively make you stronger. . . And this is just the beginning of Limbus!! You're complaining far too early! I can't wait to go green!

Put your pompoms away cheerleader. This isn't 2014 going from 99 to 109 this upgrading the oldest legacy gear in the game to its new highest level and does it in the most mediocre way.

I'm incredibly jealous of anyone whos skirt flies up at the thought of +2 wsd, I wish I was so easily pacified by junk.

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Originally Posted by Uroah

Put your pompoms away cheerleader. This isn't 2014 going from 99 to 109 this upgrading the oldest legacy gear in the game to its new highest level and does it in the most mediocre way.

I'm incredibly jealous of anyone whos skirt flies up at the thought of +2 wsd, I wish I was so easily pacified by junk.

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Lol, yes, +2 WSD% is great!

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No new spells tied to gear

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Spells shouldn't be tied to gear at all, so this is a good thing.

Idk why anyone was expecting anything dramatic though. I think it was clear from their comments that this was not going to be much more than adjusting core stat values to align more with empy.

That being said, there are some errors noted with the patch notes with items being called +5. So... we're probably getting +5 and maybe that will adjust other stats; as I'm given to understand this is isn't the entire Limbus update.

it actually wouldnt suprise me if they did a +5 and then did an empy +4 just so we have more gear upgrades.

and yea, at least the main stats and acc is more closer in line like you point out.......still feels a little lacking, like seriously, 35% DT from 3 empy pieces, where some jobs will be lucky to break 20% PDT total between all 5 pieces for AF or relic.....i will give them credit though, they did do a pretty huge boost to eva/MAeva

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Spells shouldn't be tied to gear at all, so this is a good thing.

Idk why anyone was expecting anything dramatic though. I think it was clear from their comments that this was not going to be much more than adjusting core stat values to align more with empy.

That being said, there are some errors noted with the patch notes with items being called +5. So... we're probably getting +5 and maybe that will adjust other stats; as I'm given to understand this is isn't the entire Limbus update.

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I also do not really enjoy spells being tied to specific pieces of gear, however, I would take it over not getting the new spell at all.

We were expecting something dramatic because we have history to look to in empyrean gear. +1 > +2 was massive. far better than AF/Relic +3>+4.
AF & Relic are mostly relegated to macro swaps for specific actions and little else because they are bad to sit around in. I like many, was expecting not only minor buffs to stat/accs/evas but also additional things added to the gear. Some PDL/DA/TA/QA/sTP etc added to things and maybe add magic crit II+ to some mage pieces since that's only on a single item currently.

More than anything, I wanted to see pet jobs get a handout since Nyame is still [Rare] and we still can't change the path in Rabao.

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I also do not really enjoy spells being tied to specific pieces of gear, however, I would take it over not getting the new spell at all.

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If it can be put on an item it can be given to the player some other way. While Comet is an item exclusive spell, it is also a Fenrir blood pact and has the same effects. No reason not to just make a scroll for a spell like any other, at the very least some period of time after the special item.

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Originally Posted by Voidstorm

I also do not really enjoy spells being tied to specific pieces of gear, however, I would take it over not getting the new spell at all.

We were expecting something dramatic because we have history to look to in empyrean gear. +1 > +2 was massive. far better than AF/Relic +3>+4.
AF & Relic are mostly relegated to macro swaps for specific actions and little else because they are bad to sit around in. I like many, was expecting not only minor buffs to stat/accs/evas but also additional things added to the gear. Some PDL/DA/TA/QA/sTP etc added to things and maybe add magic crit II+ to some mage pieces since that's only on a single item currently.

More than anything, I wanted to see pet jobs get a handout since Nyame is still [Rare] and we still can't change the path in Rabao.

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I do not think i could have ever said it that succinctly, that was really my issue with what i was trying to say originally.

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We were expecting something dramatic because we have history to look to in empyrean gear.

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Well, if you weren't reading, SE was straight up there to tell us to temper those expectations, they said themselves the goal is to bring the relic/AF gear, which has lower overall stats (ignoring anything that makes them special/unique), in line with the empyrean sets. Not to make them superior. In this case, the +4 is just playing catchup, and SE themselves said that. But there's still a +5 likely coming, as we have some items erroneously labeled as +5.

I didn't expect anything dramatic because they themselves said this stuff, and I'm smart enough not to get overtly excited about announced changes in general. This is only a "big miss" for people who set their expectations too high without reading SE's comments on the matter carefully.

The problem is, for several jobs (*cough* WHM in particular), the +4, even if its boosts were more in line with the boost from +2 to +3, still isn't remotely in line with Empy +2, let alone +3. (Is this arguably more an issue of "the Empy +2/+3 for some jobs is overpowered"? Possibly, I'll grant that, but... this still feels a little off.)

Well like I said, available evidence points to there being a second upgrade, as we know that this isn't the entire limbus update.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Well like I said, available evidence points to there being a second upgrade, as we know that this isn't the entire limbus update.

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Near universally the second upgrade in a given piece of content is the smaller of the two. Can't imagine that helping terribly much with how viscerally mediocre a lot of these pieces are. Some DT and a bump in the utility stats is really all i and really a lot of people wanted. Apparently it was too much to want to replace a 10 year old pair of pants with abhorrent defensive stats in a lot of my paladin casting sets.

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Near universally the second upgrade in a given piece of content is the smaller of the two

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It's not uiniversal at all. All the REMAP weapons etc all get much better in their final upgrades (and remember the upgrades weren't all introduced at once) and aren't close to being useful until then; Every JSE armor I've upgraded wasn't viable until its final upgrade. The empyrean armor +2/3 are a substantial improvement over the +1 that existed before Sortie.

While I would certainly still be cautious about optimism, It wouldn't be for this reason as it's simply not true.