need better rules

there needs to be better rules against trolling, and manipulating the market, and trolling in the forums, and trolling in game, and abusing people behind their backs to get attention. There is alot of people playing the game that dont know how to have fun without it being at the expense of others. and i realize it isnt all completely against the tos. all these people memorized the tos so they could manipulate situations and people to their advantage. these are really bad people. they watch everything u do and try their best to counteract it and destroy you. I have run into some of the worst people possible, that have final shields, and all gear, and multibox, or have many characters they stole or bought from people that just play the game to hurt others. These people need to be punished, they arent cool, they arent funny, they are horrible people ruining the fun of thousands of other people.

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there needs to be better rules against trolling,

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Disruptive players can be reported

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and manipulating the market,

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No rules are needed. Supply and demand dictate prices. If someone sells something with a price way out of line that doesn't reflect the market, it will eventually return to a price that reflects the demand and availability of that item. it's a free market economy. People complain about undercutting and other such tactics in every MMO but the reality is, those tactics only work because something is too plentiful to justify the higher price. People are only willing to pay so much for an item and sellers are only willing to wait so long to sell. It is simple economics.

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and trolling in the forums,

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There are already rules on the forum for typical forum related issues. I'm curious what thread or post prompted you to comment on this.

The problem is, "trolling" accusations get thrown around far more often than actual trolling occurs. Just because you don't like a post doesn't mean it's trolling.

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abusing people behind their backs to get attention.

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This is a personal problem that needs to be worked out between the people involved, not something that needs to be regulated by the game unless it devolves to harassment which there are rules for.

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all these people memorized the tos

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Most people don't even read the TOS or user agreement. It is an extraordinary feat to specifically read the rules to find loopholes to exploit in them. The spirit of the rule is more important than the letter and any competent person at SE would employ the former, as it is always obvious when someone is trying to take advantage of the rules.

If you think someone is being harmful, you can report it to a GM. but we don't really need more rules.

I hate to tell you buddy, but the GM's arent doing crap about it. They just brush it off as a loss of finances, and keep letting these hooligans mess with people as much as they want. We do need better guidelines.

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Originally Posted by Cyriack

I hate to tell you buddy, but the GM's arent doing crap about it. They just brush it off as a loss of finances, and keep letting these hooligans mess with people as much as they want. We do need better guidelines.

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That's not a rule problem, it's an apathy problem if anything.

The rules are acceptable, the enforcement is the problem. There's a thousand rules and zero enforcers of the rules.

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Originally Posted by Uroah

The rules are acceptable, the enforcement is the problem. There's a thousand rules and zero enforcers of the rules.

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This….. this…. And This… 100%

Maybe at some point down the line, if someone does find a money/gil trader power-levelling some characters illegally, a long-standing "for the good of the community" person can go into "GM" mode & "Perma-Bind" (Bind, Amnesia, Silence) them & they can then petition a GM to "release" them after a full assessment is carried out. Basically, policing ourselves (Note if the "GM" power is abused by someone, they can be ejected from the game).

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Originally Posted by RichLester

Maybe at some point down the line, if someone does find a money/gil trader power-levelling some characters illegally, a long-standing "for the good of the community" person can go into "GM" mode & "Perma-Bind" (Bind, Amnesia, Silence) them & they can then petition a GM to "release" them after a full assessment is carried out. Basically, policing ourselves (Note if the "GM" power is abused by someone, they can be ejected from the game).

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It will never happen. I wouldn't trust any player to hold this sort of power.

...You got me.....

I am Beastorizor, Monsuta Man, and Super Sumoner here on the forums.

Noticed I had several copies of the game from accounts that I thought was gone. I mean well, and didn't troll anyone. Nor forum abusing. Rarely get into spats tbh.

I Simply whine about BST. Dual boxing is handy though. Have no idea wh......Oh, you mean you Galka? NVM..........
(Kidding)

Seriously though, not sure why ppl would buy toons. It takes nada to reach lvl cap. Also, gil is readily available, so could hire merc over buying or stealing toons. Anyway, back to Beastorizor, the gig is up.

https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Li...Kids%22_Quotes

Yes we know you like to complain a lot & doom post on Reddit.

The reason XI is good is because they don't do this, no. It's a living world, with villains. Not a nursery for babies.

Then they need to let all the banned villains come back if there's going to be no enforcement.

Imagine if all the players who got banned in the savage dupe came back.

Villiains are people that add spice to the world, and make it feel more like a real living breathing place.

There is a difference between people like that, and people who were banned for obvious game related exploits.

theres nothing spicy about bullying another human being.

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Originally Posted by Cyriack

theres nothing spicy about bullying another human being.

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The most important lesson to learn is that the world does not revolve around you, and just because you want things to be a certain way it doesn't mean everyone else must bow to what you want.

XI is a harsher and much more free world, and people love it for that. It's not a crèche, every other online game is what you want.

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Originally Posted by radar

The most important lesson to learn is that the world does not revolve around you, and just because you want things to be a certain way it doesn't mean everyone else must bow to what you want.

XI is a harsher and much more free world, and people love it for that. It's not a crèche, every other online game is what you want.

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Uh, sorry but:

While I have the wisdom and foresight to understand that we live in an imperfect world, we still shouldn't actively encourage "villain" behavior. This isn't a television drama, it's a video game being played by a bunch of human beings, and while the occasional bit of drama can be entertaining, it's not something that should happen deliberately.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Uh, sorry but:

While I have the wisdom and foresight to understand that we live in an imperfect world, we still shouldn't actively encourage "villain" behavior. This isn't a television drama, it's a video game being played by a bunch of human beings, and while the occasional bit of drama can be entertaining, it's not something that should happen deliberately.

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Thank you Al!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Uh, sorry but:

While I have the wisdom and foresight to understand that we live in an imperfect world, we still shouldn't actively encourage "villain" behavior. This isn't a television drama, it's a video game being played by a bunch of human beings, and while the occasional bit of drama can be entertaining, it's not something that should happen deliberately.

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I disagree, and this is why I much prefer XI over other games.

XI is fairly unique (maybe Eve is another) in this genre where the players are allowed to be villians more than everywhere else, this allows the world to be more realistic and colorful. XI appeals to an older demographic, which is far less accepting of babying and far less likely to be overly awful.

XIV is a game that has a much different community and so needs more control (even today there is a story about players finding ways to hack the blist system to find all characters on an account so stalk them) and has a playerbase that also very strongly demands protection.

XI is not XIV.

Drama is not part of the game, it's manufactured by the players and it exists everywhere. This is one case where it's not an opinion, it's a fact, as such behavior is potentially against the rules.

Your notion that XIV is a "different game" (Which nobody mentioned prior to this) and therefore needs "more protection is ridiculous and itself appears as an attempt to stir drama.

I can assure you there is just as much, if not way more, drama in that game than there is here You don't even have to play to see it, just check out the forum lol. What makes even less sense is you seem to be aware of this- it doesn't support your argument.

Bad behavior should never be normalized, regardless of the game.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Drama is not part of the game, it's manufactured by the players and it exists everywhere. This is one case where it's not an opinion, it's a fact, as such behavior is potentially against the rules.

Your notion that XIV is a "different game" (Which nobody mentioned prior to this) and therefore needs "more protection is ridiculous and itself appears as an attempt to stir drama.

I can assure you there is just as much, if not way more, drama in that game than there is here You don't even have to play to see it, just check out the forum lol. What makes even less sense is you seem to be aware of this- it doesn't support your argument.

Bad behavior should never be normalized, regardless of the game.

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You are entitled to your opinion.

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Originally Posted by radar

You are entitled to your opinion.

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Bad behavior is factually bad, therefore it isn't an opinion.

It should be expected, because humans are imperfect, but it should not be encouraged or facilitated. The ordinary level of badness that comes from humans being humans is plenty enough.

There are of course other conclusions I could draw from this interaction, but I will refrain from doing so, as everyone should come to their own conclusions and I don't want to influence that.

The real world is full of bad behavior, that's why the game having it makes it realistic and immersive.

A game that protects the player as a mommy protects her child is all nice, but it's safe, boring and not a living breathing world. You are fully aware it's a video game, with moderators overseeing everything you do.

Most people on XI don't want a playpen, we want immersion (if they didn't they would not be playing the game). I fully understand some people do want mommy world, but enough do not to make places that don't function that way.

A good example is the lack of cheat detection on XIV, they don't have that even though it would be better for the game because it would remove all the modding there. Which vast numbers of people like.

So they take the negatives for a greater benefit.

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A game that protects the player as a mommy protects her child is all nice, but it's safe,

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Not once did I ever say anything about the game actively protecting people. I only said not to EXPLICITLY ENCOURAGE bad behavior/drama. Some is going to occur naturally, and that's fine. Suggesting that we need more drama is not.

I never said anything about playpens or coddling anyone, so I don't know where you're getting that.

ok maybe they dont need more rules but they do need to punish the people that are hurting others on purpose mentally and physically. I think these people need to be put in jail for a month and still have to pay their fees. or something to that extent, or even removed from the game entirely if they are still doing the same behavior, thats not going to stop them from coming back on another toon, and harassing the same people over and over again, its not going to change their behavior, but heck at least u get a month of freedom.