What Vanadiel would we be in.... if SE DROPPED PS2!

Alright guys lets get a list of people's post on what the world of Vanadiel would be if SE Dropped PS2. I'll start this off with:

We will actually get new content that is worth adding by means of expansions rather then excuses and add-ons.

oh wow really? People still carrying on about this? Yes it needs to happen but not because we need "more content". What we have is a broken mess that needs fixing before anything else.

hmm... let me guess, the 2010's?

Oh no, not this again. Moderators, could you please flag this, lock and/or remove it before we get a bunch of PS2 hate posts. Thanks.

If they ever dropped PS2 I would demand a graphical update first thing. That's a Vana'diel I want to see in the future. But seriously the PS2 can't last for as long as FFXI... systems die eventually. Sony can't support the darn thing forever. So eventually they are going to have to make a choice. Drop PS2 or FFXI. It'd be a damn shame to drop FFXI without testing peoples will to play by making them jump to PC. Toss subscribers on PS2 a free PC download and see how it goes. And be all like, look, if you guys jump ship to the PC, we'll update this game to something better. It cannot hurt to try. I bet most if not all of the FFXI player base are packing computers that can run this game, and if they aren't then daaaaaamn I thought I had it rough.

lol, yeah... It really doesn't take much to play FFXI on a PC... You can even play it on a low-budget laptop...

The thing is, though, and I know people hate to think about it... but FFXI is drawing to an end... FFXIV is out, and they're working really hard to make it meet everyone's standards and get more people into it... I don't think they're planning on FFXI surviving for more than 2-3 more years...

I find it funny that looking by topic names, even the japanese want to move off of the ps2.

Look at God of War II for the PS2.

Same hardware... way way way more graphical and RAM intensive then FFXI...

They take away PS2 version you will see less ppl playing. And nothing more. You want that?

Oh I guess you'd then start blaming 360 for things...

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Originally Posted by Scuro

Alright guys lets get a list of people's post on what the world of Vanadiel would be if SE Dropped PS2.

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There would be almost no JP players.

The End. (And the reason why this "Drop PS2 Support" idiocy needs to freaking stop. Square-Enix prefers the JP playerbase, and will cater to them as necessary.)

I personally play on the PC, always have... in saying that, I completely and utterly disagree with this post.

All games eventually run their course--FFXI will be no exception. SE made the correct move in creating FFXIV in that you'll have a Final Fantasy game capable of so much more than SE was able to deliver with FFXI primarily due to the system constraints--(and please spare me w/ the ...oh but look at what happened to FFXIV)--we all know what happened with FFXIV but that's not the point of my post... anyway...
...any company deciding on dropping the support on a platform, which it was originally released for... (keep that in mind, FFXI was created for the PS2 and only later migrated over to the PC and XBOX360)... would be completely shutting out a significant chunk of it's consumer base.

All-in-all this thread should be locked... and any thread suggesting such a thing should be locked. If you want an updated pseudo-version of FFXI, then look to FFXIV... if not please stop suggesting something you know, will never happen because it is "INFEASIBLE".

Nothing is infeasible, all they really need to do is release the game in ps3 format. I am almost 100% sure that most ps2 users have a ps3 or a pc or a 360. I even know people who no longer play cause they can't even find replacement hard drives or other items they need for ps2. Do yourself a favor and upgrade your gaming system. You will be much happier.

I do not have a pc or an xbox, nor do I plan on getting one. I do have a laptop, but it is for work purposes, not gaming. All you crybabies who have more money than sense need to realize that there are some of us who have larger priorities in life than buying/having/needing every system/game so you can be more of a couch potato than you already are, who whine because their account is suspended because they don't have the money on their CC to pay FFXI fees, those who have no jobs, can't pay bills, yet can still afford to buy and play games all day long, those whose parents foot all the bills, thanks, I will stick with my trusty PS2 until SE decides to stop support for it. Then what will happen is that you will all complain that xbox and pc's are holding back the game and so it will go on ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

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Originally Posted by Octaviane

I do not have a pc or an xbox, nor do I plan on getting one. I do have a laptop, but it is for work purposes, not gaming. All you crybabies who have more money than sense need to realize that there are some of us who have larger priorities in life than buying/having/needing every system/game so you can be more of a couch potato than you already are, who whine because their account is suspended because they don't have the money on their CC to pay FFXI fees, those who have no jobs, can't pay bills, yet can still afford to buy and play games all day long, those whose parents foot all the bills, thanks, I will stick with my trusty PS2 until SE decides to stop support for it. Then what will happen is that you will all complain that xbox and pc's are holding back the game and so it will go on ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

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I'm retired I served my country and raised my family so it's time to enjoy my remaining years.

I fully support dropping PS2.

Probably a Vanadiel where people didn't beat this dead horse every week.

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Originally Posted by Wheels

Nothing is infeasible, all they really need to do is release the game in ps3 format. I am almost 100% sure that most ps2 users have a ps3 or a pc or a 360. I even know people who no longer play cause they can't even find replacement hard drives or other items they need for ps2. Do yourself a favor and upgrade your gaming system. You will be much happier.

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And people think I'm a sanctimonious prick.

Look, you may not have noticed, sir, but I would almost think that anyone who could upgrade, would.

It's clear that you want to leave the better number of players, especially in Japan, in the dust.

Facts are facts: Their preferred playerbase is Japanese, and it's largely PS2.

Issue -- settled.

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Originally Posted by Octaviane

I do not have a pc or an xbox, nor do I plan on getting one. I do have a laptop, but it is for work purposes, not gaming. All you crybabies who have more money than sense need to realize that there are some of us who have larger priorities in life than buying/having/needing every system/game so you can be more of a couch potato than you already are, who whine because their account is suspended because they don't have the money on their CC to pay FFXI fees, those who have no jobs, can't pay bills, yet can still afford to buy and play games all day long, those whose parents foot all the bills, thanks, I will stick with my trusty PS2 until SE decides to stop support for it. Then what will happen is that you will all complain that xbox and pc's are holding back the game and so it will go on ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

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It all comes back to the concept of the likes that they believe they are the only players entitled to play.

They don't want us around.

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Originally Posted by xiozen

All games eventually run their course--FFXI will be no exception. SE made the correct move in creating FFXIV in that you'll have a Final Fantasy game capable of so much more than SE was able to deliver with FFXI primarily due to the system constraints--(and please spare me w/ the ...oh but look at what happened to FFXIV)--we all know what happened with FFXIV but that's not the point of my post... anyway...
...any company deciding on dropping the support on a platform, which it was originally released for... (keep that in mind, FFXI was created for the PS2 and only later migrated over to the PC and XBOX360)... would be completely shutting out a significant chunk of it's consumer base.

All-in-all this thread should be locked... and any thread suggesting such a thing should be locked. If you want an updated pseudo-version of FFXI, then look to FFXIV... if not please stop suggesting something you know, will never happen because it is "INFEASIBLE".

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It would be difficult to make this any more wrong. Many online services are thriving on old game sales. Droves of old MMOs are still going strong. FFXIV failed and might have taken FFXI down with it if SE didn't experiment with Microtransactions and a few pushes forward with their development.

You should have seen FFXIV in alpha and beta. FFXIV tried to be completely different FFXI and tried it in an oldschool way. There was so much missing and so much that development refused to change that it is really no wonder why it failed so damn hard. The days where you can cling to an idea or mechanic that you think is awesome or sneak it into game and call it done are long, Looong gone.

The community is partially to blame too. There is literally nothing stopping a PS2 user from moving to PC,xbox or ps3 besides their own stubbornness. They've had the better part of a decade to either upgrade their computer or get a newer console. No, it's not selfish or inconsiderate to expect them to either since the community as a whole benefits from a push to newer technology.

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Originally Posted by Catsby

There is literally nothing stopping a PS2 user from moving to PC,xbox or ps3 besides their own stubbornness. They've had the better part of a decade to either upgrade their computer or get a newer console. No, it's not selfish or inconsiderate to expect them to either since the community as a whole benefits from a push to newer technology.

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This is a very very ignorant comment. You have no idea what the community's financial situation is...no one person possibly can... as such your point is completely lost and you should just stop posting... PERIOD. Anyone reading this type of comment can't possibly take you serious... and how dare you force your position onto others. As one person previously posted, he/she cannot afford to upgrade...end of story. So /palmface... I have no more patience to chastise you any further. THE END.

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Originally Posted by xiozen

This is a very very ignorant comment. You have no idea what the community's financial situation is...no one person possibly can... as such your point is completely lost and you should just stop posting... PERIOD. Anyone reading this type of comment can't possibly take you serious... and how dare you force your position onto others. As one person previously posted, he/she cannot afford to upgrade...end of story. So /palmface... I have no more patience to chastise you any further. THE END.

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Yes, how dare I assume that members of the community work for money, buy new things and hope for pushes forward in the games they enjoy.

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Originally Posted by xiozen

You have no idea what the community's financial situation is...

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Right, but they manage to pay for a monthly subscription to FFXI as well as a monthly fee for their ISP.
If you're so financially destitute that you can't afford a $200 laptop to run FFXI, you need to rethink you're spending habits.

Well NINTENDO coming out with a new system. If possible the system is better then a standard PC or PS3/Xbox 360 they should really think of making a (FFXI-2) I would get it to upgrade this game which I enjoy. Add new features some general ideas... maybe crazy..

*Updated facial features that I can upgrade to as I play though the years.

*Characters have Capes on that can be seen....

*Quivers That can be seen on the back in arrows in them...

*A form of wagon or carriage take you from city to destination...maybe attacked from time to time.

*Other forms of "Saddle beast" then chocobo's some new option doesn't have to be fancy.

*Chocobo's that are raised by the player should not run off when dismounted, players should have a option to send them off magical to the stable or remain.

*Swimming and Climbing, Jumping... and can we possibly can we walk over pebbles this time...

*Region that are beastsmen controlled should be outlawed land making player versus player.

*Players caught Rmting or botting should have a wanted sign in let player hunt them and place them in Sandoria jail so I can "lol" all day at there faces...Ahem sorry lost myself there moving on.

*Corsairs or "players" should get there own ship >.> If they have the funds to maintain them.

*Naval battles and pirate attacks would be nice if I had my own ship ahem.. I mean players had there own ships...

*Mini-Region(zone) where players have there homes with grass or mountain or what ever option scene they choose.

Just a few ideas... but of course not everyone will agree.

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Originally Posted by Shadobi

Bunch of stuff

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Stop suggesting new and exciting things! We need to be more focused on stagnating and remaining insular.

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Originally Posted by Catsby

Stop suggesting new and exciting things! We need to be more focused on stagnating and remaining insular.

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Understood >.> sorry lost my mind there. I am back now though..

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Originally Posted by Laraul

Look at God of War II for the PS2.

Same hardware... way way way more graphical and RAM intensive then FFXI...

They take away PS2 version you will see less ppl playing. And nothing more. You want that?

Oh I guess you'd then start blaming 360 for things...

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That's a horribly flawed argument. I doubt there are that many people that are like "If I can't play FFXI in SD on my PS2 then I dont' want to play it at all!" so most of them will probably just get onto the PC version if they care that much.

What Square Enix really has to worry about is not getting enough new people because the game looks too stagnated, and has issues that they could fix, but would require PS2 to be dropped. Fact is, if they did Drop PS2 support they could redo the whole Interface and make the game feel and play not only differently, but better and more updated.

What will kill FFXI is the game being too dated to get enough new people to cancel out all the people leaving temporarily or permanently. While the PS2 userbase is substantial, it's not like it's cost prohibitive to play on PC. I mean imagine seeing cool down timers rather than highlighting a spell or ability. There are countless things they could do to make FFXI not only look more modern, but seem reinvigorated. Someone might give FFXI a chance if it looks like it's going strong, and a new UI makes it look strong.

The compromises we have to deal with from the PS2 just make it look dated and stagnated. Besides there is a valid argument to the content that they could give us without PS2. In fact, there are far less valid arguments to keep the PS2 than to ditch it. Most of the "keep it" argument are just people who don't like change, and I'd say 80 percent of them left because of Abyssea.

Besides, a second hand computer that can run the game at the same specs or better than the PS2 version is hardly anything. People that don't have a computer really can't argue very much on these boards as they aren't available on PS2 and so you kinda need a computer. FFXI costs 150 a year plus expansions give or take. To say that they can't afford a PC that low end, kinda means that they probably can't afford to be playing FFXI anyway. Their PS2 will fail eventually. Their hard drive on their PS2 will fail eventually. Every year the chance of failure for a hard drive increases about 10 percent or so. How much longer do most of those hard drives have left anyway? 1 year? 2 months? Some might last 5 years more years from now, but eventually they will all stop working and then what? They don't care because FFXI servers are shutting down, because they can't breathe enough life into the game, because of how hard it is to persuade people to spend their monthly fees of FFXI versus (insert competing MMO here)

All i gotta say is, if you have no money to buy a pc or 360, then how are you posting on here? And if it's your workplace then you should be working harder instead of reading topics about a video game. Want more money work harder want less money stay at Burger King.

Why should I buy another system,when I have a computer, a ps3 and a ps2. I like playing ffxi on my 46 inch hi-def tv. If se would upgrade to the ps3 , it would be ok for them to do away with ps2 support. I'd have no complaint, but I can't see buying anothet console just to play a game I've played since 2004.

In my case, I have a computer,a ps3&ps2. I prefer to play ffxi on my hd tv, which is 46 inch. I will not buy another system to play ffxi on my tv. I prefer playing on a consol,so if se would upgrade ffxi to the ps3, I'd be happy with that. I will not buy another system just to play a game I've played since 2004.

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Originally Posted by Spero

In my case, I have a computer,a ps3&ps2. I prefer to play ffxi on my hd tv, which is 46 inch. I will not buy another system to play ffxi on my tv. I prefer playing on a consol,so if se would upgrade ffxi to the ps3, I'd be happy with that. I will not buy another system just to play a game I've played since 2004.

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Nobody is arguing that you should be forced to buy a specific platform. They are arguing that development for a specific platform (PS2) needs to end. I suppose that subsequently you would need to buy a new platform but the new platforms in question are generally PC,Xbox360 or a PC.

Just an fyi, there is 30-42 inch hd monitors for pc. I currently play at 2560 x 1900. Also I am saying PS2 support really needs removed so the game can get a fresh rebuild and may attract people to return or purchase the game. Ps2 is like 20 years old. the way technology is today ps2 would be the atari 2600 of this era. I have no issues with 360, ps3 or pc users, why should we all suffer cause of people who want to hold back the future of FFXI.

SOLUTION:
Open New Servers for NON-PS2 players - Migration
Keep current servers open as they currently exist, for 3 months.
Do a study on how many servers the PS2 players need.
Merge servers, eliminate old redundant servers.

1-Make separate forums for the PS2 players. Call it FFXI Gold community.
-1.5wait, these forums aren't great....scratch that.
2-Make separate forums for people who live in 2011 with 2011 technology. Let the PS2 players keep these forums.
3-Reskin as many zones as you want for PS2 players. Keep pumping that stuff out. They love it.
4-Give the rest of us an upgraded FFXI that looks as good as FFXIV and plays as well as FFXI.
4.5-]Then post screenshots of it on the PS2 gold Community forums.


Focus on the rest of us who play on PC/PS3.

Sony will love you SE, because no doubt if you have any FFXI fanbase left, they will see a rise in PS3 sales, which is something they could use at the moment since the entire hacking thing has cost them 100's of millions in losses.

SOLUTION PARY DEAUX (SPL CHECK)
1.Announce to all FFXIV players that the game has come to an end.
"it was fun y'all, sorry it sucked. don't forget to pick up a copy of versus, in 2020"
2.Announce to all FFXI players that their FFXI accounts, and all their character info, including gear and job levels, quests and mission progress, will be moved to FFXIV.
3.Change FFXI name to FFXIV-2
4. Press conference - invite me, I like free finger food.
5.Tell PS2 players they're not invited.
6. Have sage Sundi dress up as a PS2 (representing PS2 players) and give us all wooden katanas.
7. Throw a "who can break the PS2" competition.

If they do a rebuild of ffxi to eliminate ps2 then they should include ps3 in the rebuild. I think that would make most people happy and get a new player base.

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Originally Posted by Wheels

Ps2 is like 20 years old.

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Er, dude? I'm 20 years old. My first system was the SNES, and I remember the advent of the PlayStation quite vividly (yes, the just . . . PlayStation, the system that introduced me to the concepts of loading screens and memory cards . . . naturally, I hated it). Methinks you're exaggerating by about a decade here, give or take a few years.

It was made in like 96-97, exaggerated alittle but still, there is better systems out there and if they can post on here then obviously they have access to a pc to play on. Dell even has pc starting at 300$ and they can run game better then ps2 and you never have to worry about memory issues with every update and the game can be revamped so it looks 100 times better.

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Originally Posted by Tamarsamar

Er, dude? I'm 20 years old. My first system was the SNES, and I remember the advent of the PlayStation quite vividly (yes, the just . . . PlayStation, the system that introduced me to the concepts of loading screens and memory cards . . . naturally, I hated it). Methinks you're exaggerating by about a decade here, give or take a few years.

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You have to understand how people like Wheels think: "I'm 15, that's almost 21!"

On that note, I'll only support the move to drop PS2 if it means dropping Galkas that used outdated swords and melee in full AF (Though I should be able to demand a lot more).

Seriously guys wouldn't you like to see and hear actual things like /laugh actually laughs with a sound or /hurray they also shout something like hoo rah and spells or songs would actually look different and sound different, summons could have more of an intro like Ifrit could split the ground and rise from a flaming pit since there would be no more limitations.

No one mentioned inventory space?

When people on /l said "Arcon PLD", I used to reply with "ok". These days I reply with "What are we doing? What's my subjob? What's our strategy? What is our party/alliance setup? What is my support? What are we fighting? Do I have to kite? Do I have to melee? Does the mob have spikes on? Is it weak to magic? Will I take lots of magic damage and if yes, which element? Will there be space to safely recover? Is time of an issue? When are we due to start? Do mobs cast Paralyze?"

Why am I asking all of this and more, and still end up fed up because I was missing some information? Because right now I can't even gear half my Paladin, so I have to be very selective. So many gear choices to consider for so many situations. I have to use a fresh toolbag for shihei beforehand, because I don't have the inventory space to use another one during the battle. I only have one inventory space (if any) and I need that to swap food, medicines and enchanted items (Reraise, Teleports, Movement Speed, etc.), which takes me ages too because I have to browse my satchel for ages. God forbid I wanna lot on an item, or some random junk drops to my inventory, so I have to keep passing everything as well.

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Originally Posted by Scuro

rather then excuses and add-ons.

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These were actualy not because of the PS2, but because SE was terminating FFXI support in favor of FFXIV and we all know how that went.

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Originally Posted by Cursed

Do a study on how many servers the PS2 players need.

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A third party did a study that showed PS2 players less then 8% of the player base.

Without PS2 support the game would be almost exactly the same. They could begin to make some small changes that aren't currently possible, but what most people seem to be asking for is a completely overhauled game somewhere in the ballpark of a $30 million investment. Both the PC and 360 versions of the game are ports just barely tweaked beyond PS2 emulation. Even if all of the assets were redesigned to look as nice as FFXIV the game would run like sludge through a straw until they rewrote the graphics engine, which would be necessary for several of the lighting techniques to work at all anyway. As it happens SE is having trouble making FFXIV work on PS3, let alone the 360 and they have the luxury of developing it for those platforms in the first place (technically porting from PC, though I don't have any private knowledge of their PS3 development -- it could be ground up for all I know) so to retroactively pull an old game up to par with FFXIV is setting your sights a bit too high without considering all of the other obstacles (ie. time and money).

Additionally, if they set out tomorrow to do this when do you expect they'd actually finish? It would be a tremendous amount of work, likely spanning multiple years. The reason developers spend huge sums of time and money on developing content is in hopes people will pay for it (and in the case of MMOs continue to pay for it). By the time they finished PS4 will likely be around the corner and people will just be bitching about how outdated the newly redesigned FFXI looks compared to all the shiny new games. It would truly be an exercise in futility.

However, if they do drop PS2 support at some time in the near future, there are a few things they could reasonably do. The first and probably most significant thing would be to loosen inventory constraints dramatically (I'd say remove them, but that could get out of hand. It shouldn't be any problem to increase inventory size to a few hundred spaces or so, maybe 1,000 just to be sure that they're done with it). I'm not sure what considerations there are to 360 HDD sizes, as it is quite possible to have an even smaller HDD on the 360 than the PS2, but given that like PC users 360 users at least have the option of upgrading HDDs as they need them I'll assume none. In that case if the development team had the means and will they could make new, more traditional expansion content without worrying about how large the digital footprint becomes. Some amount of programming should be possible to remove the current 32MB cap on usable RAM for the game (an obvious relic from the PS2 origins) increasing performance and a slew of other things (like the previously mentioned inventory). Higher resolutions are already possible (on PC anyway) though SE hasn't officially added them, which just makes me think most of the enhancements that would require work to implement just wouldn't happen as PC options for higher resolution/ background resolution from the menu would be simple to add but haven't been.

The list of possibilities goes on, but really I don't see why people have this notion that if PS2 support is dropped SE is just going to go nuts and pour huge sums of time and money into FFXI. It's not as if they have nothing else going on.

first of all its pretty sad when people only think for themselves and wanting to end ps2 support - ur not helping FFXI community and top of that FFXI is almost a decade old. and u want a entire revamped into a FFXI-2, are u willing to pay more than what ur paying for and now i say either quit FFXI or shut up and play as it is :p