Black Belt items [dev1009]

this seriously sucks. i was having no luck with getting a black belt already. now it has been made impossible without doing ksnm 99, which i really really did not want to do.

I Don't wanna go through all the things i typed out, But I'll paraphrase.

get friends.

If you can get even 4 friends to help you, You can do the KSNM99 5 Times (you +4 of them).

KSNM99's drop BB Items, So while you build pops for the "NQ", you have a shot at your BB item.
**Also note, the SE update say "At least 1 will always drop" implying 100% chance of "upgrade", but also chance of more than 1 pop item per KSNM/Faf/beh/etc

So now you can pop Faf/etc 5 times back to back, and according to the notes, get 5 pops for King guy. then pop King guy 5 times back to back.

Do you see what I'm getting at >.>? basically with just you and 4 friends, you get 10 chances at a Black Belt item in 1 sitting. Its a lot better than it sounds, It just requires friends to help. Most people i know have been sitting on hundreds of kindred seals (because frankly most KSNM's suck for gil these days)... But if yours don't i can understand how upsetting it must be :|

What he said ^.

For anyone who was using KS99s to get BB items in the first place, they basically gave you a "Second Chance" now. Each time you do a KS99, you also get a pop for Fafnir, which drops a pop for Nidhogg, which has some % chance at dropping a BB item.

In reality, this greatly increases the drop rate of BB items for players who do KS99s for them. The people who had their drop rates shot are the ones who were camping the HNMs for them, but I'm not sure how many people actually camp HNMs and don't have BBs at this point. For people unable to claim, this works out better anyways.

There's already multiple threads for this, lols.

And @Karbuncle, most people, including myself, are simply irritated that they attempted to fix a problem, but created a more common problem.
Getting outclaimed on NQs is something that eventually works itself out.
Gathering people to do KSNMs where you're likely the only one receiving anything worthwhile, is a bit more tedious.
It may be a less stupid system in general, but the idea still remains stupid.

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Originally Posted by Kari

There's already multiple threads for this, lols.

And @Karbuncle, most people, including myself, are simply irritated that they attempted to fix a problem, but created a more common problem.
Getting outclaimed on NQs is something that eventually works itself out.
Gathering people to do KSNMs where you're likely the only one receiving anything worthwhile, is a bit more tedious.
It may be a less stupid system in general, but the idea still remains stupid.

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Never said it was a perfect Solution, But its better than 21-24 hour NM. I may be in the minority, But I'm sitting on at least 5 KSNM99 orbs, and thats just me, not including friends :|

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Never said it was a perfect Solution, But its better than 21-24 hour NM. I may be in the minority, But I'm sitting on at least 5 KSNM99 orbs, and thats just me, not including friends :|

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My group has plenty of KSs, and plenty of time to do this. It's not about me wanting an easy mode, because for my group this is actually easier.
However, they intended to bring us a solution with this update, and while some things were solved, some problems still exist and more were also created.
Previously, a lucky MNK could get claim on Adamantoise, get the BB item and be done.
Now you're forced to do the annoying ass KS99, which is much MUCH more annoying to kill, and obviously impossible for a MNK to solo. It'd be pretty difficult to get a PUG for this too, as I'm pretty sure most would simply fail, and those that would succeed would probably not want to do this at all, since there's not much in it for them other than helping someone they probably don't know.

So yeah, technically this is easier for anyone who has friends and KSs, however it's simply a stupid idea for a solution.
I wouldn't be against it at all if this was the original system, but it's not, it's a terrible attempt to fix something.

Again, its not a perfect Solution, But I think Its enough that I'll have a Black Belt within a ~month of the update :X

So its a positive for me, But i can understand how its not for everyone. absolutely.

This just cracks me up to no end. SE gave all the "newer" mnks exactly what they asked for, along with people in the general threads about making xp outside abyssea useful again, and y'all are still crying.You wanted hnms claims, more hq claims, you got em. You seriously didn't expect SE to just hand this to you did you? My god they hand out +1/2 like candy now and going to make that even easier. Quit complaining and enjoy the fact that instead of 1 shot per day at the item you can now have many shots at it.

i cant wait for all the people to wipe to nid / KB and let me claim it. as a monk with black belt this update made me laugh so hard. its like kids begging SE for a cake and when the cake isnt the flavor they want they still complain.

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Originally Posted by Henihhi

This just cracks me up to no end. SE gave all the "newer" mnks exactly what they asked for, along with people in the general threads about making xp outside abyssea useful again, and y'all are still crying.You wanted hnms claims, more hq claims, you got em. You seriously didn't expect SE to just hand this to you did you? My god they hand out +1/2 like candy now and going to make that even easier. Quit complaining and enjoy the fact that instead of 1 shot per day at the item you can now have many shots at it.

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Say what? They gave us nothing of what we asked for. We never asked for this to be easier. This has nothing to do with XPing outside of Abyssea either.
You don't show the slightest bit of intelligence with this post.
They made an annoying method of gaining a job specific item, a different type of annoying.
When they told us they were going to solve the problems with HNMs, we expected lower respawn timers [as 24 hours for these things is simply ridiculous, this is the only game I can think of with such respawn times on anything.], not this.
Sure, it doesn't harm me in the slightest. This doesn't mean SE made a smart move.

The way I read it:

regular King have 0 % chance to drop BB items

KSNM will drop 1-??? items to pop regular king, and 10% chance to drop BB item
Regular king has a chance to drop item to spawn HQ king, 0% chance to drop BB item
HQ has a chance to drop BB item.

In summary, ksnm and regular king no longer give ANY shot at BB item, how is that better at all?

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Originally Posted by Dfoley

The way I read it:

KSNM 99 and regular King have 0 % chance to drop BB items

KSNM will drop 1-??? items to pop regular king
Regular king has a chance to drop item to spawn HQ king
HQ has a chance to drop BB item.

In summary, ksnm and regular king no longer give ANY shot at BB item, Everything went better then expected!

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edited for accuracy!

Was just saying its not a second chance when the second mob has a 0% chance to drop.

http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...675abd4392.jpg

I will continue using twilight belt and out DDing bbelt monks cause I have more DA and still cap haste, so meh, take your trolling elsewhere gokku

They never mentioned anything about KS99 not dropping BB item anymore, just NQ is now 0% and HQ is no longer 100%.
So this is the progression I see now:
Farm up a 99.
Get friends, do KS99 have a chance at BB item and *at least* one NQ pop item.
Kill NQ, have a chance at HQ pop.
Kill HQ, have another chance at BB item.

Considering it would probably take as long for me to farm up a KS99 as camping one of those suckers, I don't really see the problem.

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Originally Posted by Dfoley

I will continue using twilight belt and out DDing bbelt monks cause I have more DA and still cap haste, so meh, take your trolling elsewhere gokku

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i dare you to come to carbuncle server if you think you could hold a candle to my monk id wipe the floor with your piss poor monk. that being said lol twilight~

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Originally Posted by Myrna

They never mentioned anything about KS99 not dropping BB item anymore, just NQ is now 0% and HQ is no longer 100%.
So this is the progression I see now:
Farm up a 99.
Get friends, do KS99 have a chance at BB item and *at least* one NQ pop item.
Kill NQ, have a chance at HQ pop.
Kill HQ, have another chance at BB item.

Considering it would probably take as long for me to farm up a KS99 as camping one of those suckers, I don't really see the problem.

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This^.

KS99s can drop the BB item. They're not removing that. Also, @foley, wear a bloody Brown Belt. Twilight is absolute garbage.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

i dare you to come to carbuncle server if you think you could hold a candle to my monk id wipe the floor with your piss poor monk. that being said lol twilight~

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Think what you will gokku just makes you that much more ignorant.

Enjoy being surpassed by the next generation of monks who realized the error of your flawed ways

on siren shihei are 100k for 12 bags, getting me to help with a KS99 for NPCable drops is going to be as hard as me subbing ninja for something i'm not getting anything out of

its not that i don't like helping, but its expensive when i need to blink tank

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Originally Posted by Dfoley

Think what you will gokku just makes you that much more ignorant.

Enjoy being surpassed by the next generation of monks who realized the error of your flawed ways

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I'm honestly confused as to what you could possibly think Twilight has over any real Mnk belt. Since when is 23% Gear Haste better than 26%? Or are you capping haste by giving up AF3+2 feet and full set bonus too?

I'm not seeing how the old system was good for anyone that still needs black belt. The claims of 'a monk could get lucky and claim adamantoise and potentially be done with 1/3rd of it' are not looking at total time spent.

Its a 6% drop rate. The average camp is 90 minutes. That means if you get every single claim you will spend an average of 25 hours getting your egg. But you won't claim 100% of them. You might claim 50%. You will also lose some due to it popping during sleep/school/work times. More likely you are looking at 50+ hours doing the nq. HQ, of course, skews that, but then again the hq can't be soloed so you will have to convince people to come stand around and do nothing with you for a chance to fight it.....assuming it pops in the 6ish hours people aren't asleep/at work.


Under the new system you get two chances to get it, the KS fight and the HQ. Nobody knows how the loot distribution will be, but even if its 33% from the HQ you are looking at a 50% chance to get it from that cycle.


And the absolute best thing about this is for those willing to buy the items. The items are not for sale on my server at any price because the only people camping are other monks. After all, there is no other reason to kill faf/turtle. But now instead of buying for huge prices (the same guy has been offering 5M on Siren for Beard for 2 months) you can buy KS orbs off every Tom, Dick, and Harry. Just take your emp farming group and spend a night doing them. You spent 500k buying Jaculus Wings for your monk body +2 items, spend 500K for a ks99 orb from someone and get your black belt.

As a mnk who already has a Black Belt, i'd say this is ALOT better then before. No more competing with HNMlss. No more nights where you have to wake up in the middle of the night to cheak that window. People can complain all they want about pop NMs, at least now you guys can slowly work your way up to getting Black Belt, or spam it like crazy with all the KSs some people have horded over the years. And to the people who complain about not being able to solo them, seriously go get some friends.

@Gokku Just because you have a Black Belt doesn't mean you should act like an ass to everyone who still doesn't have it. Of course with the way you post, you will probably just ignore this post, or say I'm a gimp mnk or something.

@Dfoley Saying you will surpass Gokku is fine and all (honestly who cares if you beat him or not), but saying that while using Twilight Belt doesn't help you.....

Now this is pure speculation, but couldn't there be a chance that the "new" items that drop off the KS99s to pop the NQs actually be the BB items?

That could explain why the NQs would no longer drop the BB items and why the HQs have a decreased chance. That would also mean at least 1 BB item would be dropped with possibilities of multiple drops off KS99. Now that would make my MNK happy! But what are the odds of that really happening?

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Originally Posted by Artisan

Now this is pure speculation, but couldn't there be a chance that the "new" items that drop off the KS99s to pop the NQs actually be the BB items?

That could explain why the NQs would no longer drop the BB items and why the HQs have a decreased chance. That would also mean at least 1 BB item would be dropped with possibilities of multiple drops off KS99. Now that would make my MNK happy! But what are the odds of that really happening?

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KS99 already had a chance to drop BB items. This basically gives them a 2nd chance at it.

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Originally Posted by Denabond

KS99 already had a chance to drop BB items. This basically gives them a 2nd chance at it.

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I know, but the point I was making was that there might be a possibility that the new pop items for the NQs could be the actual BB items, hence changing their drop rate in a KS99 from very poor to 100% with chance for multiples. That would be ideal.

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Originally Posted by Artisan

I know, but the point I was making was that there might be a possibility that the new pop items for the NQs could be the actual BB items, hence changing their drop rate in a KS99 from very poor to 100% with chance for multiples. That would be ideal.

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I highly doubt its the BB items themselves since that would mean if the kings dropped the item, you can technically pop the NQs again for another HQ. And why would you want to go for a HQ when you can just simply use the 2nd drop give to someone else who wants a BB item?

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Originally Posted by Dfoley

I will continue using twilight belt and out DDing bbelt monks cause I have more DA and still cap haste, so meh, take your trolling elsewhere gokku

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Your tears are delicious indeed!!!! You are a funny little nitwit.

ENJOY YOUR AWESOME TWILIGHT BELT HOMIE!

Seriously, this is effing hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I'm honestly confused as to what you could possibly think Twilight has over any real Mnk belt. Since when is 23% Gear Haste better than 26%? Or are you capping haste by giving up AF3+2 feet and full set bonus too?

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I might do 23% haste on ninja just to 5/5 af3+2 and then still cap attack speed with dual wield gear.

yes, this is very good for people who already were doing ksnm99. for those who wanted to camp the NMs though, they're just screwed.

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Originally Posted by Dfoley

Think what you will gokku just makes you that much more ignorant.

Enjoy being surpassed by the next generation of monks who realized the error of your flawed ways

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your just another krystal , another player who talks shit thinking there hot but are scared to face an old school monk. here ill make a better challenge ill monk/nin you can sub war and ill still out dmg you. the only monk to have gotten close to me was an ls member * they still lost * was a monk/war vs me on monk/nin who has an exact carbon copy of all my gear sets only diff being i had vere they had rev+2. so man up or shut up your no monk wearing a laughable tp set

lol i love this thread #1 Ks99 can drop BB item
#2 NQ will no longer drop BB item
#3 HQ is no longer 100% chance, however will still drop BB item so ok, lets add this up.
as it is now. 3 ways to get a BB item from each Type of NM will take 21-24 hours for 1 and 3-10 days for another..
As it is going to be: Farm KS seals = 5-10+ hours if you have that time to spare, Nq will not drop BB item but can drop HQ trig: HQ had a chance to drop BB item so... adding it up you can farm KS seals untill your rich and be able to spam NM's for BB and then spam for HQ in the same amount of time it takes for 1 NQ NM to pop and u can spam that as many times as u have ppl with trig.. You in my opinion your chance to get a BB jumped up more than 50%in the time it takes to camp them now. GL Failmonk

Your tears are delicious <3

They never confirmed that BB items would continue to drop from KS99's either, which has not stopped SE in the past (several times at that) from going ahead and removing items from drop pools that follow similar progressions.

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Originally Posted by Manicora

lol i love this thread #1 Ks99 can drop BB item
#2 NQ will no longer drop BB item
#3 HQ is no longer 100% chance, however will still drop BB item so ok, lets add this up.
as it is now. 3 ways to get a BB item from each Type of NM will take 21-24 hours for 1 and 3-10 days for another..
As it is going to be: Farm KS seals = 5-10+ hours if you have that time to spare, Nq will not drop BB item but can drop HQ trig: HQ had a chance to drop BB item so... adding it up you can farm KS seals untill your rich and be able to spam NM's for BB and then spam for HQ in the same amount of time it takes for 1 NQ NM to pop and u can spam that as many times as u have ppl with trig.. You in my opinion your chance to get a BB jumped up more than 50%in the time it takes to camp them now. GL Failmonk

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Incorrect sir, the only thing that's going to happen is "HERP ALL YOUR SEALS ARE BELONG TO BEHEMOTH", since nobody is going to waste orbs on anything but shots at D.Rings. This pretty much eliminates monks from the equation altogether. The incentive to do only Behemoth KS99's now FAR OUTWEIGHS any reason to do the other 2 KS99's. This is a giant, retarded kick in the balls to monks. You can kiss your shot at BB goodbye now.

how's about this.. you have 1 month, if you don't like the change, go and get your items beforehand.
I know for a fact it is not hard, especially now.

Complaining is silly, go out and get what you need.

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Originally Posted by Cetra

how's about this.. you have 1 month, if you don't like the change, go and get your items beforehand.
I know for a fact it is not hard, especially now.

Complaining is silly, go out and get what you need.

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Get off your high-horse and take a hike, the only reason anyone has to voice their hatred for this change is the frustration we go through trying to do it for years. Your definition of "hard" doesn't matter, because it's harder now for a different, and more frustrating reason, than before.

My post is not meant to be any form of hatred at all, far from it.
I have helped many friends get BB's, usually takes no more then a day or two.

The biggest problem with these items is people assume they are hard to get (which was true at 75, but not at 90), or don't ask for help.

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Originally Posted by darkShirou

Get off your high-horse and take a hike, the only reason anyone has to voice their hatred for this change is the frustration we go through trying to do it for years. Your definition of "hard" doesn't matter, because it's harder now for a different, and more frustrating reason, than before.

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If you've been trying to get a Black Belt for literally years and still do not have it, then you don't deserve a Black Belt. It was NEVER THAT HARD to get a Black Belt. It still WILL NOT BE HARD to get a Black Belt.

If you can't get the seals and friends to do it yourself, just remember "Money talks and bullshit walks."

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Originally Posted by Phafi

I might do 23% haste on ninja just to 5/5 af3+2 and then still cap attack speed with dual wield gear.

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This is not Ninja.

This.

Is.

MONK!