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Yeah, I have been intrigued by that game since I discovered FFXI was halting major updates whiles I was away from the game. I then put 2 and 2 together....

They are using resources from this, to build to that.

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Originally Posted by Beastorizer

Yeah, I have been intrigued by that game since I discovered FFXI was halting major updates whiles I was away from the game. I then put 2 and 2 together....

They are using resources from this, to build to that.

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Well they're not, because they're licensing Nexon to do it. they're not making it themselves, but keep up with those conspiracy theories. The FFXI mobile project likely costs SE very little because SE isn't developing it.

Income from any game or project in a company like this also generally goes into one big accounts recoverable pile, and money earned from any one project is never specifically attributed to another. So much as people want to keep thinking FFXI was killed to build FFXIV, or the mobile game, or whatever else, it simply isn't true and can't be proven because even their balance sheets can't show that.

They would basically have to invest in an entire full sized MMO dev team to take the game we have and make radical changes to it because of the way it was developed. It would basically have to be rebuilt from the ground up, and while they could potentially make a lot of money from a remaster, it probably wouldn't be compatible with what we have now.

Seriously- no one ever said "Let's take the X dollars we earned from FFXI sub fees and spend it on Y thing that isn't FFXI, or "lets take the money we made from Project Z and spend it on project A". That's not how budgeting at a company like this works.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Well they're not, because they're licensing Nexon to do it. they're not making it themselves, but keep up with those conspiracy theories. The FFXI mobile project likely costs SE very little because SE isn't developing it.

Income from any game or project in a company like this also generally goes into one big accounts recoverable pile, and money earned from any one project is never specifically attributed to another. So much as people want to keep thinking FFXI was killed to build FFXIV, or the mobile game, or whatever else, it simply isn't true and can't be proven because even their balance sheets can't show that.

They would basically have to invest in an entire full sized MMO dev team to take the game we have and make radical changes to it because of the way it was developed. It would basically have to be rebuilt from the ground up, and while they could potentially make a lot of money from a remaster, it probably wouldn't be compatible with what we have now.

Seriously- no one ever said "Let's take the X dollars we earned from FFXI sub fees and spend it on Y thing that isn't FFXI, or "lets take the money we made from Project Z and spend it on project A". That's not how budgeting at a company like this works.

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Not quite

Halting updates does 2 things, it lowers production cost and allows SE to allocate those resources wherever they wish. Why do you think some companies kill off somewhat profitable MMO? To cut cost......So yeah, those people who think money from XI helped build XIV are correct in a way. You are thinking linear, like a gamer. I am thinking from a business perspective.

People cried when CoH was shutdown..."Why did NCSoft shutdown a profitable game?" How profitable was it to them really? Not profitable enough to keep around.....

There is more to gaming than revenue........That revenue seems like alot to us....But the cost of production is not cheap. That is why solid mmo tend to shutdown; or why FFXI halted major updates to an otherwise kicking game.

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There is more to gaming than revenue........That revenue seems like alot to us....But the cost of production is not cheap. That is why solid mmo tend to shutdown; or why FFXI halted major updates to an otherwise kicking game.

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1) updates have never "halted." The scope of updates has changed and new content hasnt been as frequent, but not "halted." And I don't know for sure what you mean by "kicking" but if you are talking about how active it is, I'd say player activity slowed well before updates did.

But You essentially replied to my comment and quoted me but didn't really address it at all. And you contradict yourself when you talk about how some other game shut down when it was allegedly profitable. So? FFXI is probably less profitable and has been for a long time than CoH, but it does bring them money and it is also a main line FF title, which means they aren't going to just kill it, particularly without some alternative means of experiencing it.

But the main point I was making, which you didn't actually discuss, is that the claim that FFXI income has been explicitly diverted to some specific project is bogus, and I explained why.

Also, don't tell me how I'm thinking. I'm thinking from a business perspective and not any other. Budgeting at any corporation doesn't work the way you think it does. This isn't exclusive to a gaming company like SE. I mean, yes, money from FFXI went into the company to be invested in other projects. But the point is, it wasn't explicitly allocated to FFXIV or to any other one specific project. The money goes into their budget and that budget is then distributed to SE's projects and operations as they see fit. It doesn't work like:
FF7 Remake money goes to making FF16
FFXI money goes into patching FF14
Life Is Strange money goes into making "Life is Normal"

It's more like FF7 FFXI LiS money -> SE project fund account -> All active projects

You can't distinguish which income sources went to which projects.

Yes, some number of dollars that came from FFXI indirectly went to 14, because it was an active project at the time. But they weren't explicitly funneling FFXI's income to make XIV or any other one specific thing. It's just a simple fact, that's not how business budgets work. It's just a conspiracy theory with no basis- Nobody making these claims has access to the kind of information that could possibly support such a claim even if it were true- which is even less likely today because FFXI's income is most likely a drop in the bucket- it would not have any major bearing on FFXIV's development even if every single penny it is earning went to it.

So I understand the salt from people who feel like their beloved game was deliberately destroyed to make a successor. But for one, if that was really the plan (ispoiler alert: it wasn't), then FFXI would have ended service at least a decade ago, having outlived its usefulness. And for two, early on the plan was actually for the two games to be linked together, more like two worlds rather than two games. This concept was scrapped early on as unfeasible, but they clearly did NOT want to kill FFXI when XIV devleopment started."

I mean you're buying into a conspiracy theory- so nothing I say could possibly convince you of anything else, because that is how conspiracy theorists work. But I can say with relative certainty that Square-Enix is not "funding" Nexon, nor would they be explicitly using FFXI sub dollars to do it even if they were.

Yikes, name calling "Salt"

Truth struck a nerve? Lol, relax brother. This is not so serious.

Anyway, SE said they are halting major updates to FFXI, thus I take their word for it.

You have somewhat of a point regarding XI mobile and Nexon, if Nex are the publisher who usually take son the financial burden. However, you are a bit off in terms of how an entity uses their resources. That is all I am saying.

I can see my comments are getting to you, thus you are becoming angry. So, I will do what I always do to defuse a situation and take my leave. Besides, don't want to turn the OP topic into a flame thread.

Peace, and hopefully you find peace brother.

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Originally Posted by Beastorizer

Yikes, name calling "Salt"

Truth struck a nerve? Lol, relax brother. This is not so serious.

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I mean, it's not the truth, but like I said, you're free to believe whatever you want. :)
If "salt" offends you, then you're the one taking things too seriously, lol

Hardly a day goes by when someone makes the bogus claim that SE directly funded FFXI with FFXIV which is both not true and unproveable even if it were without access to information that only an internal accountant working for SE at the time of its original development would have.

FFXIV was funded by a budget. A budget incoporates money from all manner of sources. You don't just pick one source of income and say "the funding for this project will come from this one income source."

And given how much FFXIV cost to make (even before being REmade), FFXI could not have been that big of a portion of the budget even if every single dollar from it was being funneled, which again, is almost certainly untrue.

Even if it was, so what? SE makes games (among other thing). By complaining about this you're basically trying to tell SE that they can't make more games with their profits, that there's something wrong with that.

I don't get why people keep misunderstanding the mobile game.

Nexon paid the SE online division for the rights to make the game, that's it. They gave them a chunk of cash for the rights to make a mobile game and that cash was used to create Rhapsodies. Aside from giving them models and some lore help that's all the FFXI developers have to do with it.

FFXI mobile is not by Square, it has nothing to do with Square Enix. Nexon own it, Nexon are making it.

It's going to be a cash grab, it will be free to play with buyable coins, it will play itself and it will be very simple. It will not be FFXI on mobile, it will be a souless mobile cash grab and if you think anything else I feel sorry for your upcoming disappointment. Nexon are a known entity.

Square Enix are still fully behind updating FFXI on PC.

I think with how most mobile games are I believe Pixela may be onto something. I really hope not, though. I'm actually looking forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

I don't get why people keep misunderstanding the mobile game.

Nexon paid the SE online division for the rights to make the game, that's it. They gave them a chunk of cash for the rights to make a mobile game and that cash was used to create Rhapsodies. Aside from giving them models and some lore help that's all the FFXI developers have to do with it.

FFXI mobile is not by Square, it has nothing to do with Square Enix. Nexon own it, Nexon are making it.

It's going to be a cash grab, it will be free to play with buyable coins, it will play itself and it will be very simple. It will not be FFXI on mobile, it will be a souless mobile cash grab and if you think anything else I feel sorry for your upcoming disappointment. Nexon are a known entity.

Square Enix are still fully behind updating FFXI on PC.

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I'm fairly certain SE has some level of creative control. But they aren't developing it, that's all being done by Nexon.

Obviously if the game is called FFXI in any form and they make a Puyo Puyo ripoff, SE has the right to say, "ummm, sorry but no."

Money is fungible. There, I've said (and agreed) with everything Alhanelem said. And he's right. Business don't funnel anything. They make money, they look at the money they have (and perhaps what their expected inflow is, but again as an aggregate and not from individual sources), and they decide how to make more. Where the first money came from really isn't a question on how they spend it later. If they thought investing more in FFXI would yield more profit they would. They don't. They think FFXI with the budget it has is the best they can do with the game in the current market. If the profit from the game ever gets close to where they might see a loss they will likely stop the game before that happens. How close they let that get before they pull the plug depends how risk averse they are/how greedy they are to drain every drop they can. The only other factor that could come into play is if they felt FFXI might compete and harm a new project's potential, but that seems really unlikely. Why lose an old customer still making you money if you're not sure they will switch to your new drug?

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Originally Posted by Faladrin

Money is fungible. There, I've said (and agreed) with everything Alhanelem said. And he's right. Business don't funnel anything. They make money, they look at the money they have (and perhaps what their expected inflow is, but again as an aggregate and not from individual sources), and they decide how to make more. Where the first money came from really isn't a question on how they spend it later. If they thought investing more in FFXI would yield more profit they would. They don't. They think FFXI with the budget it has is the best they can do with the game in the current market. If the profit from the game ever gets close to where they might see a loss they will likely stop the game before that happens. How close they let that get before they pull the plug depends how risk averse they are/how greedy they are to drain every drop they can. The only other factor that could come into play is if they felt FFXI might compete and harm a new project's potential, but that seems really unlikely. Why lose an old customer still making you money if you're not sure they will switch to your new drug?

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My point was simply that it's not the big grand scheme that veterans salty about FFXIV think it is. It's just standard business fare, there wasn't like some big concious decision to screw over FFXI players as hard as they could or something like that. And in th e years that followed, they're like "wow, people are still playing this," and well, here we are.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

My point was simply that it's not the big grand scheme that veterans salty about FFXIV think it is. It's just standard business fare, there wasn't like some big concious decision to screw over FFXI players as hard as they could or something like that. And in th e years that followed, they're like "wow, people are still playing this," and well, here we are.

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I agree, I tried XIV. I like the look and how interactive the crafting was but that is it. XI has better everything else. On a business stand point I get why SE isn't developing the mobile game themselves. It spreads their workers too thin-ly? Thin. XIV make alot of money for the masses because of how "Streamlined it is". I would rather XI stay the same mechanically than pander to the masses. XI should stay hard for the veterans and focus on the people who love the game as it is.

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Originally Posted by Ultimoore

I agree, I tried XIV. I like the look and how interactive the crafting was but that is it. XI has better everything else. On a business stand point I get why SE isn't developing the mobile game themselves. It spreads their workers too thin-ly? Thin. XIV make alot of money for the masses because of how "Streamlined it is". I would rather XI stay the same mechanically than pander to the masses. XI should stay hard for the veterans and focus on the people who love the game as it is.

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The two main things that are keeping me playing right now-
Deep Dungeon solo challenge- that is climbing the floors of Palace of the Dead or Heaven-on-High entirely solo without a party (There's a special achievement for this, one of the rarest in the game, that's how hard it is)
and PvP. As not that great as it is, I like the action and streaming it has been good for my twitch channel lol. Plus its fun to show off the prizes for making the rankings that ppl who don't do PvP can't get.

I'd honestly like the game a lot more if the open world was more important, because it really isn't unless you're gathering or going through the story. FFXI's world is far more worth exploring, and there's hidden stuff all over the place, quests make you think (sometimes), decision making on gear is usually more complex than "is it the highest iLvl?", and so on.

I pay subs for both. I really wish they'd bring back the discount they offered for subscribing to both during FFXIV's "whoops, we really screwed up" days. I see people discuss FFXI on a regular basis, particularly in the novice network, and if they lowered this barrier to entry, it might get more people to try it.

So here is a new qustion: Would it be easier to rebuild from scratch or Remake the game through XIV's graphics engine?

Firstly, if they "remade FFXI in the XIV engine" then it would not be FFXI anymore. The nuances of the game are so ingrained into us that changes would be like vinegar in your coffee, also many people who play this game have older computers and this would effectively cut a large % of people from playing.

The most important factor though, is this. If Square Enix gave the developers 40-50 million to remake FFXI, it would not be remade as we have it now because video games are a business. They would demand things in return for that money, this would mean a cash shop (yes they would add that), this would mean a dungeon finder, this would mean many things that would ruin the game for us. Also the modern sensibilities of current gen developers are different from the people who made this, if they spent 40 million remaking the game they would aim it at current gen gamers and not us who have been playing for 10-20 years.

Keep in mind that many of the developers who made FFXIV were ex FFXI developers even, so even the same people can make something you don't like if given another shot. If they remade FFXI you would probably hate it.

Just be happy the game is still here and being updated, 5 years ago we were all worried they would shut it down.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

Firstly, if they "remade FFXI in the XIV engine" then it would not be FFXI anymore.

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Engine does not dicate gameplay. You can have the same gameplay in a modern engine.

I think they should also consider doing what FFXIV just did and make the base game (+zilart, because that was base for us) free to play up to 75. (FFXIV just made its free trial encompass all of the original game and the first expansion where it was previously much more limited. There is no time limit on the free trial)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Engine does not dicate gameplay. You can have the same gameplay in a modern engine.

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THAT I agree with.

I admit i'm a little concerned about free trial abuse with what they're doing in FFXIV, but all the usual free trial restrictions still apply, like no sending tells or using the markets.