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Surprised this hasn't come up yet :P New avatar speculation!

Given the total delusion the last 2 avatars were, I do not have any real hope for future avatars. I'm still hoping for LV. 90+ new Blood Pact: Rages and Blood Pact:Wards though
(All in all, I still hope someday I will be able to summon Ixion, even if it will totally unbalance the elemental avatars XD )

I can see them adding in Bahamut at 99 in the same fashion as Alex/Odin. I honestly don't think they can stick to their "Bahamut is too powerful for PCs" because he was a summon in every single FF game...

I'm not counting on a new avatar at all. Would be nice.

What I would really love is for at least 5 seconds more off the BP recast timer. 10 would be even better. Also for SMN to be able to azure, or proc stuff. Not counting the elemental spirits.

We just got a whole bunch of new stuff and are finally getting some attention, and yet there's nothing we can do in abyssea that's useful. The few times I went as SMN, I really should have just gone as WHM... I love my WHM, but I'd like to go as summoner sometimes too.

When I am allowed to come as summoner, I hardly get to do anything. I don't want to damage it until all procs that are needed have been accomplished, and by that time I can generally only get 1-4 BPs off.

Indeed, Abyssea killed the SMNs, nothing we can do, apart soloing our own seal/cards

i dont really want a new avatar in les they ade mor macro spots i don't want to redo my macros and i am full as it is with the ones i have

They just need to add Pheonix as a nice No-Weak Alliance Wide Full Raise 2HR.

Few things I can really think of, for a new avatar perhaps a more powerful offensive Light Based Avatar. Perhaps another tier of avatars for each of the eight elements which would rank stronger than Spirits yet lower than Avatars. Ooooh oooh ooh, maybe what if they gave us more control over our Spirits?

I think they should add Bahamut as a super powered attack. Similiar to Alex and Odin. BLMs are getting Meteor... and other jobs are no doubt getting some type of ultimate spell or ability I would guess. Bahamut's Mega flare as a 2hr would be nice :) and maybe Phoenix for aoe raisega/heal.

Here's hoping they add the elementals we've seen in Abyssea, but as it was mentioned above, with a bit more control over them. I really doubt we'd see any more controllable avatars like Carbuncle/etc. But would indeed be fun if they created Hybrid ones, for example; an avatar that's both water as well as wind based, but ofcourse would be (more than usual, due to being hybrid?) weaker against the counter-elements.

Again, would be fun, but I doubt it.

Atomos, Phoenix, Bahamuth

Would be cool to be able to AOE remove a wider variety of debuffs, in addition to Spring Water.

I second breaking the BP Delay minus cap and adding the new spirits :)

I usually have a link when I make a statement, but I cant find the thread where I read this.

If I remember correctly, SE said that they were making new avatars, after Odin and Alexander came out. Who knows what they mean by that. Maybe a new avatar will appear in a mission line, like Phoenix did>_> I hope its summonable when it does show up^_-

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Originally Posted by Aaralyn

I'm not counting on a new avatar at all. Would be nice.

What I would really love is for at least 5 seconds more off the BP recast timer. 10 would be even better. Also for SMN to be able to azure, or proc stuff. Not counting the elemental spirits.

We just got a whole bunch of new stuff and are finally getting some attention, and yet there's nothing we can do in abyssea that's useful. The few times I went as SMN, I really should have just gone as WHM... I love my WHM, but I'd like to go as summoner sometimes too.

When I am allowed to come as summoner, I hardly get to do anything. I don't want to damage it until all procs that are needed have been accomplished, and by that time I can generally only get 1-4 BPs off.

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New Bloodpacts would be fine and fun to play with.

New avatars would just be disappointing and you know it.

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Originally Posted by Aerius

Here's hoping they add the elementals we've seen in Abyssea, but as it was mentioned above, with a bit more control over them. I really doubt we'd see any more controllable avatars like Carbuncle/etc. But would indeed be fun if they created Hybrid ones, for example; an avatar that's both water as well as wind based, but ofcourse would be (more than usual, due to being hybrid?) weaker against the counter-elements.

Again, would be fun, but I doubt it.

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Nice, I think Baelfyr, Byrgen, Gefyrst & Ungeweder as new Avatars could be nice as long as we get to control of their casting. Or how about giving us that creepy little doll as an Avatar? What's it called? It appears in MANY cut scenes throughout the game, most noticeably when closing Avatar Prime quests.

Magus sisters =D

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Magus sisters =D

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They already exist. The Shikari = the Magus sisters. So no, no magus sisters. They weren't even that cool in 10 anyways.

If they were going to add a new one, particularly a not-carbuncle light based one, i'd be rooting for Maduinn/Madean.

However I'm much more interested in the idea of more control over the elemental spirits, and most certainly a reduced cost for maintaining them because honestly there's no real justification for their high perpetuation cost. But the bigest thing I'd like to see, since SMN can now hold avatars out indefinitely thanks to +2 gear, augurs, magian staffs etc, is an increase to avatar's basic melee damage and accuracy to allow them to keep up in parse with the now godly BST. Because really, spike damage aside, we can't compare.

As far as SMN (as well as other jobs) in abyssea, I'm optimisitc that with the release of new end game content sans-atma, the currently disenfranchised jobs (BRD RNG SMN COR etc) will see a return to power. Especialy in the case of SMN, because it's hard to argue against high spike damage that feeds no TP/generates no Enmity.

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Nice, I think Baelfyr, Byrgen, Gefyrst & Ungeweder as new Avatars could be nice as long as we get to control of their casting. Or how about giving us that creepy little doll as an Avatar? What's it called? It appears in MANY cut scenes throughout the game, most noticeably when closing Avatar Prime quests.

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hehe that creepy little doll would be cool to be able to use, make it able to charm mobs or something or perhaps give mobs amnesia

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If I remember correctly, SE said that they were making new avatars, after Odin and Alexander came out. Who knows what they mean by that. Maybe a new avatar will appear in a mission line, like Phoenix did>_> I hope its summonable when it does show up^_-

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I don't think they've said anything since the last time they tried to give us good information and then didn't manage to deliver. I'm of course talking about the 2006/2007 promised new avatars with "less perpetuation cost so you can keep them out longer". And while it is true that Alex and Odin have zero perp cost... I'm not sure the "keep them out longer" part was very true when they appeared.

After that mishap I doubt SE will ever tell us about new avatars until the update with them happen. It isn't fun for them or us when things don't go our way.

I'd personally love to see an avatar that's focus was on healing. Make its Favor be an increased cure potency, make its Wards be cures, make its Rages be endrains. That sort of thing. Would be good in case your WHM disconnects or something.

Another thing I'd like to see is say if Avatar's Favor was activated you'd be able to summon a spirit alongside your avatar. Then the spirit would do its own thing, you'd control your avatar but with the -atk/matk and the perp costs would still make you lose some MP likely.

But that's just a pipe dream.

I'd also like to see Siren again.

They won't add any more avatars.

At least, not for a long time. Look at how long it took us to get Alexander/Odin.

Plus, we still got 9 more levels of SMN Blood Pacts to think about. Here is to Tier 6 spells at 95...

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They won't add any more avatars.

At least, not for a long time. Look at how long it took us to get Alexander/Odin.

Plus, we still got 9 more levels of SMN Blood Pacts to think about. Here is to Tier 6 spells at 95...

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Interesting thought tier 6 spells but will they be as powerful as the blm counter part.. I think not since they nerf the tier 2 & 4 ones for avatars, what i would like to see is a more consistent dmg amount and maybe a few new bp for the 6 elemental avatars.

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Interesting thought tier 6 spells but will they be as powerful as the blm counter part.. I think not since they nerf the tier 2 & 4 ones for avatars, what i would like to see is a more consistent dmg amount and maybe a few new bp for the 6 elemental avatars.

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I believe our base 2 and 4 tier pact-spells are not gimped, they simply do not have the stats or gear boosts that a blm have. so essentially they are the same base, just as if a naked, possibly subjobless blm is casting them.

A while back (like, when 85 cap came out I think it was) they added a placeholder to the .dats that was literally a copy of Carbuncle in every way. Its not definitive proof that we are getting another avatar, but it points that way. I have no clue if its still there, but we can hope for something that doesn't suck like a 2h.

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I'd also like to see Siren again.

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more naked ladies!

Likely candidates for new summons:
Atomos
Confirmed to be a summonable avatar by at least one NPC, this is the most likely candidate. Has the ability to drain enemy stats and grant them to the summoner. This may be too much like a Dark Knight, but there are other potential abilities tied to time travel and dimensional travel, both linked to Atomos' power.
Possibilities:
Physical Attack Additional Effect: Time Slip - Sends an enemy through time, aging it prematurely. Enemy loses stats on each hit. Adds increasing slow effect with each hit.
Memory Drain - Enemy is unable to use special attacks.
Consume - Eat enemy at low health and adds a stat to the party based on the enemy's crystal-drop type. (ex: Fire=Str)

Ixion
Ixion type monsters appear in the game already. They have a selection of attacks that could be based on the NMs.

Phoenix
I would expect this to be another summon similar to Alexander and Odin, only not controllable.
Ability: Rebirth Flame: Raise-ga party/alliance (Raise without death sickness) plus area of effect fire elemental damage.
Activation: After level 90, randomly summoned if the summoner dies with 2hr available. (does not reset 2hr timer)

Just some quick thoughts about Phoenix:
Even if the Phoenix died... it's a Phoenix... the general idea is that they keep coming back from the dead... that's their "thing." It's not an excuse to not allow use of the Phoenix because it's dead (or had a portion of its power used to power up a sword or absorbed by some ancient.)

Also, there is a pre-requisite quest for using the power of the Phoenix in Tenzen's story regarding so much bloodshed... and perhaps not unrelated, we have thousands of adventurers slaughtering thousands of monsters constantly for Trials of the Magians... potentially fulfilling that requirement. (yes, I posted this last part elsewhere... fits here too for reasoning)

I think my Phoenix thread has thrown a lot of speculation and good points that Phoenix can and could be a viable summon, now that a new way to summon avatars has been released. I couldn't really think of Phoenix coming out as a normal avatar. And I never addressed phoenix's ability to return back to life because I thought it was common fantasy knowledge. The pre-requisite of slaughtering thousands does fit well to the requirements of the Magian Trials.

I forgot about Ixion and Atomos, who are both in the game as well. I could see both of these avatars as new summons as well. Though I don't know much about either of them besides Atomos fighting along Cait Sith and Ixion is just a free roaming HNM. The story of both of them I briefly researched did not give much of a story why they are in FFXI, so there's not much speculation I can do on how they could be obtained as summon-able avatars

I agree Phoenix would make a nice addition, especially for levelsync parties where I'm requested to focus on being a healing tank and not call any avatars :P

It would make it a bit more fun to play that role if Phoenix's auto-attack was replaced with an auto-cure, but still had blood pact fire offense.

i vote for a small Caturae