RMT everywhere

Submitted 2 large special task force reports and seems to be doing nothing to the speed hacking Gil farmers in Ceizak, Foret de henetiel, and The boyhada tree, etc, all good old zones are tainted with 20+ RMT hacking blatantly and nothing seems to counter these people except us players submitting a report. Something needs to be done.

If only it was like this again... The good old days..

https://youtu.be/xyQ_dsgHJHA?t=165

ya, :/ Im following these RMT what they do is go out and farm zones then warp back to respected Sparks npc, in adoulin use /target < suspicious name> and they are Position warped inside walls behind where people normally cannot see them to inflate the economy and benefeit the rule breaker gil buyers, please be pro active if you see activity! http://support.na.square-enix.com/co...018.1543265409

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Originally Posted by Coffeegood

ya, :/ Im following these RMT what they do is go out and farm zones then warp back to respected Sparks npc, in adoulin use /target < suspicious name> and they are Position warped inside walls behind where people normally cannot see them to inflate the economy and benefeit the rule breaker gil buyers, please be pro active if you see activity! http://support.na.square-enix.com/co...018.1543265409

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I've seen them before, around 20 of them in a group. Doing exactly what you say, keyboard smashed names, and I've seen a whole bunch of them 'stuck in the wall'.

It's horrible. Yesterday during GainExp there were 40+ DRG bots with names like Deejasdfs camping nearly every single spot with mobs in Ceziak and Yahse. It was actually quite difficult to find mobs to kill in those areas. They have a specific running pattern and will alternate between 2 intersections on the map, killing each mob in those spots over and over. An easy solution to end this behavior, without even having to investigate or ban anyone, would be to make some of the combat RoE objectives 1 time only, since they are repeatable they are being spark farmed.

Everywhere!
https://vimeo.com/309247740
https://vimeo.com/308152116
https://vimeo.com/317729074
https://vimeo.com/311010838
https://vimeo.com/309248085

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Originally Posted by Minamikun

Everywhere!
https://vimeo.com/309247740
https://vimeo.com/308152116
https://vimeo.com/317729074
https://vimeo.com/311010838
https://vimeo.com/309248085

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Notice this happening but can only hope something will be done!
Gilsellers are crafty but only exist because of the lack of oversight in the game now. Glad you have video of what was happening lol

https://i.imgur.com/lDTRSu3.jpg quick auto reply too, but doesn't change the fact can't get any Fields of Valor quests done!

hmm if they're paying a sub do you think said company is going to remove them...

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Originally Posted by Krashport

HTFC+1? play the game how you want to solo or with friends or the latter, don't worry about others it does not affect you FO! ^^b

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I think you'll find that it does affect everyone.

The OP is about RMT, money generated from RMT in the real world, lets say, doesn't go to good and honest causes.

There is also the game disruption aspect of it all, too.

Uh... because it does affect me? And probably others?
Let's say you wanted to farm some bomb coals to help finish your escutcheon - oh wait, you're not a bot? Sorry, you can't do that, ever! There is literally not 1 single second in the day you could ever do that.

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Originally Posted by Coffeegood

https://i.imgur.com/lDTRSu3.jpg quick auto reply too, but doesn't change the fact can't get any Fields of Valor quests done!

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These auto replies are mainly because you're supposed to report these to the STF not the GMs.

I also haven't played *any* game where you can report a bot and have them get banned on the spot, so no matter what they do, you're not going to get your fields of valor quests done that day.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

These auto replies are mainly because you're supposed to report these to the STF not the GMs.

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Fair enough, if it's a one player you have witnessed. However, I witnessed 21 RMT keyboard smashed names (I counted), POS hacking, and entering Ceizak Battlegrounds yesterday. Am I expected to fill out the form 21 times?

https://i.imgur.com/Povu5Mr.jpg

Yes, you need to report each of them to the STF. Make sure to put the RoE objective Report to STF: Bots on first, you'll get a permanent 1% CP increase for finishing it

You don’t need to report each of them. You can report one report with comma separated 21 character name.

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Originally Posted by Minamikun

You don’t need to report each of them. You can report one report with comma separated 21 character name.

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That would have been particularly difficult given the names are just a string of random characters, which each player "stuck" in each other overwriting the names. They were there for around 5 seconds, using some kind of positioning warping/manipulating tool.
There isn't enough time to capture all of the names, before they vanish.

Well, the trick for that is look at one. wait till they go where ever they are botting, then you can see all the anons in that zone are bots. If you're anon you're a bot. especially if its in an adoulin zone.

You could make a failed argument that anon existed 10 years ago to hide from getting spammed with party invites but that shit doesn't exist anymore. if you're anon you're doing something shady.

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Originally Posted by Neoradish

Yes, you need to report each of them to the STF. Make sure to put the RoE objective Report to STF: Bots on first, you'll get a permanent 1% CP increase for finishing it

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I giggled. :p

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Originally Posted by Isola

Well, the trick for that is look at one. wait till they go where ever they are botting, then you can see all the anons in that zone are bots. If you're anon you're a bot. especially if its in an adoulin zone.

You could make a failed argument that anon existed 10 years ago to hide from getting spammed with party invites but that shit doesn't exist anymore. if you're anon you're doing something shady.

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They should seriously remove the anon mode. From the beginning it should simply have been a set of options to block party invites, trade requests, and/or tells like every other game has. Most people don't use it anymore as those problems aren't as common as they once were anyway.

I use anon to hide the fact that a few of my mules have underleveled subs. Don't take that away from me! T_T
No worries about being inflicted with them in groups, btw. They never leave town/garden. lol

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Originally Posted by Minamikun

You don’t need to report each of them. You can report one report with comma separated 21 character name.

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Theres not enough room in the names section for more than 8'ish people and these RMT are flooding zones, need more game staff to find solutions that's all there is to it.

Now we have room to report the full alliances of rmt in zone got 18 names in np! Ty STF staff.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ht=Scourge+RMT <- One of many posts i've denounced RMT in.

The "Bots" automated farming ToS violations are not necessarily RMT, they're just labeled RMT b/c the logical thought process would have you believe that no one with any respect for their community, dignity or honor would be utilizing illicit behavior that violates terms of service. It is very likely that a large segment of accounts that violate ToS are also involved in the RMT market. Third party programs and add-ons need to be regulated, discovered, investigated; and approved or banned. Accounts using add-ons or third party programs not approved by Square Enix officially must be banned to combat the violations that break ToS. I was made aware recently of a user attempting to control twelve accounts on their own to clear waves 1, 2 and 3 of a Dynamis {D} entry. What do you expect these accounts to be doing at any given moment of a day? There isn't any legitimate way for one human to control twelve accounts through manual interface for content with the requirements of Dynamis {D}. Deductive reasoning will lead you to the fact that terms of service was broken and likely continues to be broken at all times through the use of third party programs and automated scripting commands. This creates an environment of nuclear arms proliferation where cheaters are continuously more blatant, more glutenous, more dishonorable, and more detrimental to the community every day.


I SAY TO SQUARE ENIX : BAN THE CHEATERS !

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Originally Posted by TullemoreAsuraFFXI

Banhammers

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If the cheaters (automated farming) aren't RMT, I'd suggest SE to put them in jail just to remind them that cheating isn't okay.

For years, Asurans haven't got any help from GMs at all. Therefore, Asura is currently protected until SE explains otherwise.

Of course, SE knew many loyal subscribers are using their third party programs and nothing SE can do about it. Just need to stop the bad habits first.

https://i.gyazo.com/5a9209f7fb66c4ba...3e167e5a54.mp4

Good luck doing coalitions on Bismark the zones are flooded with blatant hackers that warp back and forth selling sparks behind walls. Here's the RMT FOR DUMMIES play by play.
1. They Level up alliance of mule bots.
https://i.imgur.com/r2qh96I.png
https://i.imgur.com/d01G9SF.png
2. They set up bots with minimal sparks gear and bot RoE's and FoV's in many locations around Adoulin and a few other regions..
https://media.giphy.com/media/ZcusT8...r8P4/giphy.gif
3. They Warp back to different Sparks NPCs in Cities to auto vendor items from sparks points and Unity. Even warping behind walls to try to remain hidden.
https://i.imgur.com/ZnbDmkP.png
https://i.imgur.com/D8WCtg0.png
https://i.imgur.com/e2Q0frp.png
https://i.imgur.com/AbFPQPq.png
https://i.imgur.com/TVG7MAe.png
4. Special Task force report and try to get a GM to assist because can't do coalition missions i.e. farming chapuli etc in zones flooded with RMT.
https://i.imgur.com/n8bO3WN.png
https://i.imgur.com/YpLqYho.png
Give up and just accept RMT as part of Square Enix's "Thank You" for your years of dedication.

Just ignore it and carry on, they will never go away unless of course people stop buying currency, which they obviously can't help themselves.
I would much rather see the buyers banned, they are far worse than the sellers, much worse.

If you ban the buyers, you lose the sellers. Friends of buyers quit. Mercs can't merc. and now you've lost half the population. Game can't afford to pay for its own servers anymore.

You get to deal with the minor annoyance or not play. no grey area.

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Originally Posted by Isola

If you ban the buyers, you lose the sellers. Friends of buyers quit. Mercs can't merc. and now you've lost half the population. Game can't afford to pay for its own servers anymore.

You get to deal with the minor annoyance or not play. no grey area.

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Yeah, I don't accept your supposition that "half the players" buy or are good friends with people who buy.

Your slippery slope argument doesn't fly with me.

It's already happened. That's part of why we're as low as we are. You think salvage bans didn't take out friends who didn't do anything?

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Originally Posted by Isola

It's already happened. That's part of why we're as low as we are. You think salvage bans didn't take out friends who didn't do anything?

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It never happened. Your comments are pure conjecture with no data or evidence. You're just making up reasons why populations declined and injecting your personal feelings bout the RMT predicament into them. There are many factors into the game's decline, despite many people's attempts to peg it all on one thing, a certain patch or peice of content (If I had to pick the biggest factor, I'd say other more modern MMOs arriving that were easier for people with less time on their hands to play as FFXI's playerbase aged. I started playing in college, and when I got out, I had to work a lot more hours and couldn't play as much- though I kept playing for several years after before taking an extended break) Other factors may include percieved contempt toward the NA community on SE's part (i.e. ignoring their concerns and focusing on JP feedback), content like Abyssea and to a lesser extent voidwatch creating a feeling of power that would never be matched again for years outside of that content, and a stagnant raid scene, with no true raids since CoP Dynamis for years and years). the TL;DR is banning RMT and gil buyers, I believe, is near the bottom of this list of factors.

I think I speak for most people when I say If I found out a friend was buying gil and/or cheating and got banned, I'd be happy and upset that I didn't find out sooner and break off that friendship. This is also conjecture but frankly I'd put a lot more money on mine than yours. Most players do not condone RMT, the brand of cheating it essentially is, nor the people who buy into it, and do not want to knowingly associate with people who do it.

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Originally Posted by Isola

If you ban the buyers, you lose the sellers. Friends of buyers quit. Mercs can't merc. and now you've lost half the population. Game can't afford to pay for its own servers anymore.

You get to deal with the minor annoyance or not play. no grey area.

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I cancelled my sub a week and a half ago due to RMT, bots, toxic yells, lack of content yells and mercs/cheats, that and not being able to ignore /blist them (due to the 100 cap).
I'll dabble in and out of the forums and news, to see if any action is taken and if it isn't - I won't return.
Ten or so people I know have quit over the last month due to the above reasons.

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Originally Posted by Sirmarki

I cancelled my sub a week and a half ago due to RMT, bots, toxic yells, lack of content yells and mercs/cheats, that and not being able to ignore /blist them (due to the 100 cap).
I'll dabble in and out of the forums and news, to see if any action is taken and if it isn't - I won't return.
Ten or so people I know have quit over the last month due to the above reasons.

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More anecdotal evidence that people hate RMT more than they hate SE for banning cheaters.

Sirmark, you should just transfer to shiva, RMT presence is very light here, you can actually do things in the game. What good is a big population if it has big RMT? :)

https://i.imgur.com/0Z5ZFe4.png

sent report in, its funny how /target player can find accounts behind walls

Unless you're going to pay hundreds of subs per month to make up for those that they would ban, it just isn't gonna happen.

They are getting tens of thousands of dollars from these guys. Your $13 is of absolutely zero concern by comparison.

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Originally Posted by Isola

Unless you're going to pay hundreds of subs per month to make up for those that they would ban, it just isn't gonna happen.

They are getting tens of thousands of dollars from these guys. Your $13 is of absolutely zero concern by comparison.

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Should they keep the game running for the "free money" when the game population is 100% RMT bots?

Here's what will really happen:

-More honest players will quit due to RMT getting in the way of their enjoyment (along with the cheaters).
-Eventually the cheaters get bored and quit, probably because of the lack of tolerant people to play with
-RMT population relative to actual population getsto a critical mass
-Lacking customers, RMT cancel their accounts to find another game to ruin.
-Game makes no money and a funeral is held at Shibuya Station (they recently held a funeral there for the end of Tokyo's pager service), followed by the end of service.

It is more than just one or two people getting fed up over RMT, if they don't act, they may well not make it to the 20th anniversary.

Frankly I think my doomsday scenario is probably more accurate than yours.

You would have to literally slap the crackpipe out of their hand to get "honest" players to quit. They can't quit.

Despite all lack of actual job balance, the players are perfectly balanced. Addicts can't quit. Whiners won't quit. RMT keep pumping up numbers so the game can't shut down. Perfection.

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Originally Posted by Coffeegood

sent report in, its funny how /target player can find accounts behind walls

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RMTs are like cockroaches in your house, no matter how many times you kill them, they always will come back. :p

I don't think you should post that on the digest thread. I know the dev team don't care but shall you continue spamming more RMT/BOT related summaries there? Japanese players seem gave up after they got in a serious argument because someone was spamming too much negative images on their weekly dev threads.

「スペシャルタスクフォース」サブフォーラムの新設のお願い

Dev Tracker履歴への一般ユーザーによる返信不可設定について

Tarutaru might be very cute but they are very serious. I feel sorry for them.

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Originally Posted by Isola

You would have to literally slap the crackpipe out of their hand to get "honest" players to quit. They can't quit.

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They can, and they are.

(but I agree, no good to poop on the dev threads, the devs themselves are trying to work on a game, it's the support staff that are supposed to handle cheating/RMT/etc.. Keep it in seperate threads like here)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Yeah, I don't accept your supposition that "half the players" buy or are good friends with people who buy.

Your slippery slope argument doesn't fly with me.

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Even on Shiva. It came to light that most players I know that still play do so by virtue of having bought gil or use bots to automate grind. They're not selfish or nasty or anything - they've offered to help me on many occasions. The justification seems to be that it's harming no-one because the game is in its twilight and most players are complicit anyhow. Even if you don't do the above, have you sold Dynamis-Divergence pieces for hundreds of thousands on the AH? Have you played with any of those players without knowing their provenance, or players they've helped get their gear/job mastery? It's virtually unavoidable.

I've gone back to playing solo, and I don't do much now because of that.

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Even on Shiva. It came to light that most players I know that still play do so by virtue of having bought gil or use bots to automate grind. They're not selfish or nasty or anything - they've offered to help me on many occasions. The justification seems to be that it's harming no-one because the game is in its twilight and most players are complicit anyhow. Even if you don't do the above, have you sold Dynamis-Divergence pieces for hundreds of thousands on the AH? Have you played with any of those players without knowing their provenance, or players they've helped get their gear/job mastery? It's virtually unavoidable.

I've gone back to playing solo, and I don't do much now because of that.

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Yeah no, I don't believe it. Many of the people in my LS regularly complain whenever RMT yells appear (which isn't that often over here).

"Game in its twilight" is not an excuse to be a cheatin' #&*^$. I will indeed disavow any relationships I have with anyone I discover to be buying. I've done it before and I will do it again. My relic etc was entirely generated with earned gil and items, and the vast majority of it by myself solo. It's easy enough to generate gil in the game today that I can't really even imagine wanting to buy it.