Fishing skill increase

Is it still possible to get fishing skillups?
When I am level 65 and catching level 86 and level 90 fish and get no skillups on the first 30 fish I catch I begin to think that SE hates fishing as a craft!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, it's possible. I've gone up 10 levels in the last two weeks or so.

If you do not have them, I recommend: Pelican Ring and using the "Fisherman's Feast" food.

Also this sounds counter-intuitive (because it is, lol) but fishing stuff 20+ skill above your level is worse than catching something 1-10 skill above your level, despite whether or not you can succeed at the mini-game.

I use Fisherman's Feast, caught 16 fish 36 levels above mine with no skillups. What is wrong with this? Every other crafting it seems you have to go for several levels above your current to get skill
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My fishing is level 72, What should I catch? I get no skillups on Armored Pisces (108) or Ahtapot (86).

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

I use Fisherman's Feast, caught 16 fish 36 levels above mine with no skillups. What is wrong with this? Every other crafting it seems you have to go for several levels above your current to get skill
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You are also very unlikely to get a skillup on synths too far above your level. 36 over is probably just beyond the "proper" target range.

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

My fishing is level 72, What should I catch? I get no skillups on Armored Pisces (108) or Ahtapot (86).

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Step 1: Go to the Fishing Guild.
Step 2: Ask one of the people there who offer guild support "what can I catch?"
Step 3: Look up where/how you get that fish.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit!

I did this as a 63 fisher and they suggested Bladefish (69), Crescent Fish (66), and I forget what else.

I chose Crescent Fish to start with because it was slightly lower level and I was a bit rusty at fishing. Got 0.5 in ~30 catches without Pelican Ring or Food. Just Angler's Clothes, Fisher's Rope and Waders with a Lu Shang's.

Stop aiming so high above your level. You want 5-10 above your level.

Stick to fish within a closer level range.. Ie: 5-7 levels from your current level.

well, catching Tavnazian Goby and get a .1 about 1/10 catches at fishing 72.
SE hates fishing!

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

well, catching Tavnazian Goby and get a .1 about 1/10 catches at fishing 72.
SE hates fishing!

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1-in-10 seems reasonable. If you wanted better, you could get a Pelican Ring. Dunno about Fenrir, but on Sylph, the previous fishing tourney had 0 winners (which means nobody even submitted a fish). Landing within the top 20 should be easysauce. In fact, you could turn in a fish with each mule and probably get multiple rings.

Best thing to do is head on over to FFXIclopedia or similar and see how you can best "weed out" the junk catches (fishes that you are not after). On FFXIclopedia, there will be an asterisk (*) beside the "best setup" bait, which will result in the fewest unwanted catches.

Fishing is the WORST craft to do.
Every other craft I can do unlimited synths. Fishing you are limited to 200 fish per day.
Every other craft I have done, and I have all crafts at 50+. A 0.1 out of every 10 synths would be atrocious and not acceptable.
Fishing TOTALLY SUCKS.

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

Fishing is the WORST craft to do.
Every other craft I can do unlimited synths. Fishing you are limited to 200 fish per day.
Every other craft I have done, and I have all crafts at 50+. A 0.1 out of every 10 synths would be atrocious and not acceptable.
Fishing TOTALLY SUCKS.

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It's not designed as a craft as such. This is why SE enables you to level fishing AND a mainstream craft too.

I am fishing level 77 and the guild says that I should catch Silver Shark which has a skill cap of 76. Why?

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Originally Posted by Sirmarki

It's not designed as a craft as such. This is why SE enables you to level fishing AND a mainstream craft too.

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Then why does SE have it under crafts?

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

Then why does SE have it under crafts?

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Where else are you going to put it? It's not a Combat skill, it's not a Magic skill... are you going to make an entirely new menu button for 1 item?

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

Then why does SE have it under crafts?

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Fishing is classified similarly to Chocobo Digging, HELM, and Synergy. None of them qualify as "crafts" as far as anything in the game is concerned.
EX: Kupo Shield does not give skill+3 to any of them, even though it has "All crafting skills +3".
EX2: You can fully max out digging, fishing and synergy without affecting synthesis craft skill levels.

Cooking is a craft but isn't related to any other craft skill. There is a disjunction in crafts.

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

Cooking is a craft but isn't related to any other craft skill. There is a disjunction in crafts.

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Cooking is a synthesis craft, and does have at least a few recipes that have subcrafts IIRC. As far as the definition goes, a "craft" would be something that uses crystals + materials to make a finished product. There is no disjunction here.

real crafting uses crystals and materials. Fishing you just need a rod and some bait and the sky's the limit. When you factor in cost and availability of material regular crafts aren't exactly the fastest to level either. That said even before various updates to increase skill gain rate you could cap fishing in under a month so not exactly that slow. Heck if you were crazy you could even skill up all day at some portions if you know how

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Originally Posted by Urmom

real crafting uses crystals and materials. Fishing you just need a rod and some bait and the sky's the limit. When you factor in cost and availability of material regular crafts aren't exactly the fastest to level either. That said even before various updates to increase skill gain rate you could cap fishing in under a month so not exactly that slow. Heck if you were crazy you could even skill up all day at some portions if you know how

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While I get what you are trying to say... lately with crafting, you can easily level several crafts with a minimal, 1-70, in a matter of a few hours, and yes this includes time to gather materials. Some crafts you don't ever have to leave the guild and you will eventually make your investment back, and then some if you do it right and smart. You only need crystals (which you can get from sky by the loads).

Fishing, however, there are no quick routes. You're going to be spending hours upon hours, Pelican Ring or not.

Not to mention, you have a ceiling of 200 catches per day, and if you're absolutely lucky as crap, you might get Level 20 within those 200 catches, maybe. More like 15 in actual practice from what I've seen.

And given that the average catch can sometimes take upwards of 3 minutes (waiting, "Didn't Catch Anything", junk catches you escape out of, etc), you're also looking at 600 minutes or 10 hours to do all that fishing.

I've always felt the fishing should have a chance at skilling up whenever you had to put an input for the mini-game on top of when you reel in. Before the change to fishing you could get to about 1/2 stamina and still be able to pull in the fish with less likelihood of your line or rod breaking, but now if you try that you're almost guaranteed to snap them. It's a different kind of craft, but the food to help skill it up is locked behind an event wall or if you have the Lu Shang to do RoV quests (Which if you already had it, then most fishing would be way easier anyway). But then that poses a different problem, do you focus on the Moat Carp to finish said quest and blow all 200 fish on that or try to get some skillups? Either way, I've never been a fan of how harvesting crafts were treated in this game (limits/fatigue/etc.). But those are just my feelings.

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Originally Posted by Zeargi

I've always felt the fishing should have a chance at skilling up whenever you had to put an input for the mini-game on top of when you reel in. Before the change to fishing you could get to about 1/2 stamina and still be able to pull in the fish with less likelihood of your line or rod breaking, but now if you try that you're almost guaranteed to snap them. It's a different kind of craft, but the food to help skill it up is locked behind an event wall or if you have the Lu Shang to do RoV quests (Which if you already had it, then most fishing would be way easier anyway). But then that poses a different problem, do you focus on the Moat Carp to finish said quest and blow all 200 fish on that or try to get some skillups? Either way, I've never been a fan of how harvesting crafts were treated in this game (limits/fatigue/etc.). But those are just my feelings.

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I have 2x Lu Shangs, have not done the quest. Bless the gobbiebox for giving me 2x broken ones. :3

Yeah, the harvest crafts in this game always were junk.

And it seems that the developers are/were well aware of it, too, because they gave us Mog Garden.

Sometimes I think that instead of Mog Garden, they should have given us changes to HELM + Fishing so that it doesn't absolutely suck. If you could actually get more than pebbles and copper ores from mining, we wouldn't need the mining node at our Garden.

But it seems they were more on the thoughts of "Well, mining sucks, so let's give them a mining node at the mog garden to help with the fact mining absolutely blows!"

The advanced guild representative recoomends fish 16 levels above mine. So, is SE wrong or misleading?

You can't skil up much with a limit of 200 fish per RW day. What other crafts have a limit to how many synths you can do in one day?

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

You can't skil up much with a limit of 200 fish per RW day. What other crafts have a limit to how many synths you can do in one day?

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Catching 200 fish is roughly 4 hours of fishing. You fish 4 hours a day?

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

You can't skil up much with a limit of 200 fish per RW day. What other crafts have a limit to how many synths you can do in one day?

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

The advanced guild representative recoomends fish 16 levels above mine. So, is SE wrong or misleading?

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Here's the thing you can attempt, and even catch and/or skill up on fish literally 80 levels higher than you. You can't even attempt that in a real craft and you can't skillup on breaks that are iirc more than 5 levels higher than you (and for that matter break rate gets pretty high at that point). I've gotten 8 levels in that 200 limit before the skillup food existed in a couple of hours of fishing of pure profit instead of paying to skillup. Also remember the 200 limit is just actually catching the fish

Fishing is undeniably terrible but the reason it's terrible is because there's no profit it in it. Your skill-up progress may be limited on a per-day basis but you shouldn't be spending all your in-game time fishing anyway.

Also, the very first response in this thread mentioned Pelican's Ring. Has OP gotten one? Fish Rankings cycle every 4 weeks. It should be trivially easy to get these days.

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Originally Posted by detlef

Also, the very first response in this thread mentioned Pelican's Ring. Has OP gotten one?

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Not sure if OP is aware or not, but Fishing skill up rings stack, add on top of that Fishermans Feast food. That's 3x skill up bonuses right there.

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Originally Posted by Sirmarki

Not sure if OP is aware or not, but Fishing skill up rings stack, add on top of that Fishermans Feast food. That's 3x skill up bonuses right there.

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Pelican's Ring is also frequently available for 1000 login points, (will be available in September, as will Fisherman's Feast for 750pts,) is only EX so you can have more than one in your inventory, and is POL sendable so you can snag some from mules if you need more.

OP: You can't compare to low level synthesis crafting either, since they changed it so 1-70 is nearly guaranteed skillups IF you are using the appropriate recipes to skillup on. At 71+, skillup rate slows down greatly, the final 90+ stretch can cost a fortune, and would be much more comparable to fishing skillup rate at that point.

no, it catching anything! Fish, items, monsters.

I have spent several hundred hours of fishing and have never gotten 8 levels in one day! Trying inputting truth instead of lies!

Can you use more than two pelican rings at once? I have five. But what is the point of 200 fish limit in a day? What about giving fishing the advantage that was given to other events in RoV Rhapsody KI? Is fishing really thought to be a gil-seller event now? Why can't I have fun in the game? You can spend 12 hours skilling a craft with time to get supplies the onlything to slow down your synths.

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

Can you use more than two pelican rings at once? I have five. But what is the point of 200 fish limit in a day? What about giving fishing the advantage that was given to other events in RoV Rhapsody KI? Is fishing really thought to be a gil-seller event now? Why can't I have fun in the game? You can spend 12 hours skilling a craft with time to get supplies the onlything to slow down your synths.

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Read my post about the rings in this very same thread....

How much fishing are you doing in a day? Like I said, the limit takes around 4 hours of fishing per day to reach... You are fishing that length of time per day?

Fishing wasn't designed to be rushed.. If you claim there is no gil in it, why are you even rushing it?

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

I have spent several hundred hours of fishing and have never gotten 8 levels in one day! Trying inputting truth instead of lies!

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Git gud. 4 Ebisu fishing rods and a +1. Fished up 6 Lu shangs too back when that was actually okish money. Average at levels under 90 without food or rings was consistent 2-4 (doing normal fishing not doing weird stuff). Ring obviously doubles that no idea about food though since it didn't exist back when I last leveled

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

Can you use more than two pelican rings at once? I have five. But what is the point of 200 fish limit in a day? What about giving fishing the advantage that was given to other events in RoV Rhapsody KI? Is fishing really thought to be a gil-seller event now? Why can't I have fun in the game? You can spend 12 hours skilling a craft with time to get supplies the onlything to slow down your synths.

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You can only have one enchantment effect active at one time, but if you are wearing both rings, then both rings will be activated by the one enchantment and you can get up to 3x skillups per catch. I've only seen it happen once, but it can happen.