Omen drops

So Ou is out, and one thing that really, really irks me is that scales drop from them. It's already annoying enough doing an Omen boss and getting double scales, as we do not get them often enough.

For example, at the average 3 job cards per run, you could do Kyou 20 times for the 60 cards needed to +2 and +3, which will net you 20-30 scales...for the one upgrade you need. And the scales are completely worthless outside of the 5 upgrades for the job.

So I ask you to do one or all of these things:

1) Take scales out of the 2nd drop slot on the individual bosses and out of Ou's pool entirely.
2) Allow us to trade the scales in for something (my preference: Allow scales to be traded in for the drops from the boss. Say 5 scales for common drop, 10 scales for uncommon, and 50 scales for body).
3) Add the (1%~) body drops to Ou.

I usually don't fight the bosses, but It sucks that almost none of my SMN's abilities can trigger stuff in this content. I want more cards and this really sucks for drops if I can't clear the challenges. :/

I had a challenge to do 15k of magic dmg without a MB, and neither Flame Crush which did 32k (I know it's a hybrid but there was also drop an Enemies HP by 30k) or Meteor Strike which did 15618 DMG counted.

I was also thinking that maybe the Transcended Mobs could have a small chance to drop a random card from all the jobs.

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Originally Posted by Eaglestrike

So Ou is out, and one thing that really, really irks me is that scales drop from them. It's already annoying enough doing an Omen boss and getting double scales, as we do not get them often enough.

For example, at the average 3 job cards per run, you could do Kyou 20 times for the 60 cards needed to +2 and +3, which will net you 20-30 scales...for the one upgrade you need. And the scales are completely worthless outside of the 5 upgrades for the job.

So I ask you to do one or all of these things:

1) Take scales out of the 2nd drop slot on the individual bosses and out of Ou's pool entirely.
2) Allow us to trade the scales in for something (my preference: Allow scales to be traded in for the drops from the boss. Say 5 scales for common drop, 10 scales for uncommon, and 50 scales for body).
3) Add the (1%~) body drops to Ou.

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I disagree w/ your 1) and 3). There really aren't any good reasons to alter the drop pools, and given the history on this type of issue it would be extremely unlikely that SE would break precedent and do so.
2) could work if it was not trading in for actual drops, but cards would make sense. Allowing us to trade in scales for cards 1:1 wouldn't greatly change the rate we get cards or devalue the other drops, but would allow groups already on farm status to still get some benefit from scales. It would also give our default tanks/healers a chance to pick up the occasional card for their non-tank/healer jobs.

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Originally Posted by Zeargi

I usually don't fight the bosses, but It sucks that almost none of my SMN's abilities can trigger stuff in this content. I want more cards and this really sucks for drops if I can't clear the challenges. :/

I had a challenge to do 15k of magic dmg without a MB, and neither Flame Crush which did 32k (I know it's a hybrid but there was also drop an Enemies HP by 30k) or Meteor Strike which did 15618 DMG counted.

I was also thinking that maybe the Transcended Mobs could have a small chance to drop a random card from all the jobs.

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BST Ready moves don't count either. :( I think that the vast majority of pet abilities don't even trigger the check to determine if they should count or not right now.
I like the idea of extra cards from Transcended mobs. ^^

Ou shouldn't be dropping scales, period. You have to kill the other 5 Caturae to complete Ou pops and guess what, those drop the scales you need (way more than you need really). It's really a slap in the face.

Also since we're complaining about Omen, please adjust Sweetwater mob HP. How about fewer mobs with higher HP? Some of the objectives are unnecessarily difficult because of the mobs' low HP.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

I disagree w/ your 1) and 3). There really aren't any good reasons to alter the drop pools, and given the history on this type of issue it would be extremely unlikely that SE would break precedent and do so.

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What about the scales being incredibly useless? The rate at which you consume scales is drastically different than the rate at which you consume cards. And now with Ou requiring a variety of boss clears that solves the issue of groups never really doing bosses for a certain scale. My group has been letting scales drop to the floor for over a month now.

Edit: Messed up cards and scales, fixed now.

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Originally Posted by Eaglestrike

What about the cards being incredibly useless? The rate at which you consume cards is drastically different than the rate at which you consume scales. And now with Ou requiring a variety of boss clears that solves the issue of groups never really doing bosses for a certain scale. My group has been letting scales drop to the floor for over a month now.

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Whether a certain group needs scales or not has no bearing on whether the loot pools should be changed for the normal bosses. It does sound annoying and confusing if Ou drops scales as well, assuming that they are in the same drop slots as gear.. If the scales are in their own drop slots, then that's not a problem.
I haven't looked into it yet, so do we know for sure that the scales share a drop slot with equipment for Ou?

I would see it as a nice bonus if we could trade in unwanted scales 1:1 for any card. ^^ Allows for upgrading gear for low demand jobs.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlko

Whether a certain group needs scales or not has no bearing on whether the loot pools should be changed for the normal bosses. It does sound annoying and confusing if Ou drops scales as well, assuming that they are in the same drop slots as gear.. If the scales are in their own drop slots, then that's not a problem.
I haven't looked into it yet, so do we know for sure that the scales share a drop slot with equipment for Ou?

I would see it as a nice bonus if we could trade in unwanted scales 1:1 for any card. ^^ Allows for upgrading gear for low demand jobs.

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Ou drops 3-4 items each time, it's possible to get only 3 items and one be a scale. According to the bgwiki page on Ou the scales share the same drop slot as the equipment.

As it stands now there's WAY too many scales. I'm okay with the rate at which I acquire cards, but scales are just dropping to nobody and the fact you can do a boss and get double scales and a 500k~ crafting item across 6-12 people is lame. The bodies that drop from the normal 5 bosses are extremely rare (I've killed Gin over 40 times at this point and haven't seen it) and I've been doing Omen daily since it came out and haven't seen a single body drop from any of the bosses. Now that it's more rewarding to farm the 5 KI's and do Ou than spam one boss, the chances of getting the body is greatly diminished. Body drops should be at least 5%, if not higher, because some of the bodies aren't even BiS (and the one I want is only BiS in a hybrid/melee DD-DT set). The bodies don't break the game by any means, they should not be as rare as defending rings.

I agree. I think there should be at least an open drop slot for equipment only. I also like the 2) suggestion in the OP. Gives me Delve vibes and I really consider that one of the best systems they've ever implemented. As long as you have the wins and an absurd amount of scales then yeah why not. Gives a better sense of reward when you're working toward something.

Editted to add: If they are really concerned about interest waning then add more consumables, crafts, future NM pop items as options to trade scales or whatever system for. Delve while not as popular as it was is still useful for veteran players due to those reasons.

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Originally Posted by Rwolf

I agree. I think there should be at least an open drop slot for equipment only. I also like the 2) suggestion in the OP. Gives me Delve vibes and I really consider that one of the best systems they've ever implemented. As long as you have the wins and an absurd amount of scales then yeah why not. Gives a better sense of reward when you're working toward something.

Editted to add: If they are really concerned about interest waning then add more consumables, crafts, future NM pop items as options to trade scales or whatever system for. Delve while not as popular as it was is still useful for veteran players due to those reasons.

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Not only does it take from the Delve system, but it's a standard in other MMO's (Badges of Justice/Valor/etc. from WoW era dungeon grinds). You can still get lucky and save from the grind, but at least gives purpose to the grind each day instead of just hoping for random luck.

Now that Ou is added they have created a system where you must farm all 5 regular NM's just to get to the next one, so they've semi-gated (semi because of the way you can use alts for this) Ou, which means you no longer need to keep incentive to grind the base Omen mobs. If they added relic+3 to Omen, they can simply create additional paths here as they see fit.

Bumping this, as my group just did 5 Ou in a row (alts and such). We got a Regal necklace (our 4th I think, so not sure the person even plays COR much) and 4 scales. We didn't get a 2nd drop of equipment at all. That's 5 runs and 1 piece of Ou gear. We still haven't even seen two pieces, and are nowhere near done the pieces we have seen. The coral is now only 3mil, the other item that drops is 500k-2mil, and we take advantage of alliance content and letting more people come, so we have 8-12 people lotting on 3-5mil worth of items at the end. We're otherwise just farming cards, but I am stuck on my main job to insure an Ou win so I'm at full AF+3 with 54 THF cards. Ready for relic+3 I guess?

Scales 100% need to be REMOVED from Ou. Whether or not you add bodies (you should) I'll let you surprise me. Otherwise I'm on the verge of taking another break, and I've got nothing else to do with my life.

It wouldn't hurt if they just separated the slots in the pool and have Synthesis materials in 1-2 slots by itself and same thing for gear/accessories in their own pools. There's really no need or reason whatsoever that any piece of gear from omen bosses should be in the same slot as synthesis materials and should be separated.

Something definitely needs to be done about the bodies, either an alternate method of obtaining them, or increasing the drop rates / adding them to Ou's loot table.

It is a bit crazy that my group has done Omen daily since release and we haven't seen a single body. Coupled with the addition of Ou, meaning we're now killing those bosses less frequently is quite demoralizing to our hopes of getting any of the bodies.

Omen is the current endgame, its purpose is to make it hard to get the some of the best equipment. no more spaming like before due to 20hr block

Difficulty, and Time to obtain are 2 different metrics. I'm fine with it being difficult, but stupidly low drop rates without an alternate means of obtaining them i'm not ok with.

What if turning in 100 scales allowed you obtain the body from a respective boss?

Also current droprates wouldn't be too horrible if there wasn't the 20 hour lockout. I can't recall any <5% droprate item that also was behind a 20 hour lockout... and not to mention made you choose between different ones to go for.

What makes it even worse is going for body is often detrimental to card farming making it even more of a choice between other stuff as well.

We never card farm, so that's not an issue for us. I'd rather they just add a different way of obtaining them rather than removing lockout and having to spam it nonstop for any hope.

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Originally Posted by Zuidar

It wouldn't hurt if they just separated the slots in the pool and have Synthesis materials in 1-2 slots by itself and same thing for gear/accessories in their own pools. There's really no need or reason whatsoever that any piece of gear from omen bosses should be in the same slot as synthesis materials and should be separated.

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This is already how (we believe) it works. The current idea behind drops for Ou are:

Slot 1- Equipment or scale
Slot 2- Moonbow item of any sort or Moonlight coral
Slot 3- Moonlight Coral
Slot 4- % chance of another equipment or scale, likely based on TH and such.

But what it means is you can farm 5 bosses and then kill the mega boss just to get a scale that you already got while getting the KI's for the mega boss...

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Originally Posted by Eaglestrike

This is already how (we believe) it works. The current idea behind drops for Ou are:

Slot 1- Equipment or scale
Slot 2- Moonbow item of any sort or Moonlight coral
Slot 3- Moonlight Coral
Slot 4- % chance of another equipment or scale, likely based on TH and such.

But what it means is you can farm 5 bosses and then kill the mega boss just to get a scale that you already got while getting the KI's for the mega boss...

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Think we had some crossed wires in communication earlier. ^^;; And on second thought, it probably would be a good idea to remove scales from the guaranteed slot (#1) at least. Removing from #4 would also be nice, but could be their idea for limiting the availability of gear in order to extend the life of the content. -_-;;

I have recently done 3 Omen Runs, All drops 3 have consisted of a Regal Gem along with 3 crafting items. We have done dozens of runs with only 1 ring, 7 earrings, many necks, many belst, and 3 body drops (amongst non-OU-drops). The drop rate has been abyssmal (pun intended.) THE TIME INVSESTED VERSUS REWARD RATIO IS NOT EQUIVALENT. While you have adjusted OMEN body drops, your adjustment to your flawed RING/hand drop ratio has lacked in it proficiency. Your inability to adjust the computations in OMEN equates to a lack of understanding / monetization of assests.

I'm really disappointed that in 2 years, we didn't even get a "No plans" response. :/

They don't reply to english threads, ever. They only translate a response to an english thread if a jp thread asked the same thing.

Also, working perfectly as intended. You stay subbed, you never get your items, you keep doing OMEN. Perfection.