For the love of all thing holy SE. I was playing on my monk which isn't crappy gear by any means and the fact that my damage was garbage to the point where even PLD was out damaging me :(. My victory smites were doing 8-10k and I have a WS set for it. To were the pld was pulling off 16-20K savage blades>.> Any this isn't just with H2H this is with 2 handers and general. You nerfed us all into the oblivion of hell yet gave the one handers a boost after boost:confused:. We have unexceptional TP gains,nonexistent scaling on weapon skills, with crappy damage. And watch this get swept under the rug and one handers remain superior. I'm really starting to wonder if monk can even be saved at this point.
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When will Monk be un-nerfed?
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08-10-2016, 05:22 AMBBWallaceWhen will Monk be un-nerfed?
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08-10-2016, 12:33 PMAtaraxia
very funny taru... =) but yeah Monk is far behind and weak weapon skill damage.
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08-10-2016, 03:19 PMOmnysValefor
Not denying that monk needs some attention and is generally the least desirable DD but PLDs, with a proper ws set do put out some nice Savages. On relevant content, the monk is probably WSing a lot more than the PLD.
Not everything is just about the number itself.
I've said before, I'd really like to see Monk return as a high damage-over-time class. In this period where it's way too easy to have too many melee, it would be nice to have a melee that wasn't dependent on their WS damage for high contribution to damage.
All that said, I've always thought that Monk ended up in an awkward place between dual wielders and two-handers and frequently gets forgotten about in updates to both. Not that it's always been in a bad position, it hasn't been. -
08-10-2016, 03:45 PMPsion
damage over time is kinda pointless now, as it's very easy for other jobs to hit delay caps thanks to dual wield/haste. so the only way to boost monks DoT over other jobs is to... increase their auto attack damage. which probably is going to wind up boosting their weaponskill damage too, at which point you might as well have just boosted their weaponskills damage in the first place.
And let's not even talk about adding more hits. its easy for other jobs to get lots of double/triple/quadruple attack in gear, and unlike monk and pup, THEIR weapons aren't gimped in "occasionally attacks X". all of their weapons attack round are affected by this unless their dual wielding, in which case it's still applying to all of that particular weapons attack round. but hand-to-hand? nope, we only get the first swing per round as able to multiattack, despite the fact that we're only using one weapon. it's hardly fair, since our individual swings are generally designed to be weaker individually but stronger when counted together.
Just buff victory smite, stringing pummel, asuran fists maybe, and whatever monks exclusive one is. (aesthetics fury?). and shinjin spiral too. and i guess final heaven. :P -
08-10-2016, 03:52 PMAoiX
Monk had a really high point when Seekers of Adoulin was released. We just got into the Beastmaster era with Escha and Reisenjima. I only hope we can get other DDs to shine also, some are also long overdue. DRG or DNC for example. I also like to see RUN bloom. It's such a waste compared to PLD.
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08-10-2016, 09:53 PMnyheento be fair. dnc is a really good high dmg/support class already when used right, drg can use a change on recast pet time. 20 mins is far too long, time for 1-4 mins pop time. you saying run is a waste compared to pld? what?.lol rune is lot better then before, most people that want a tank, i see them shout rune or pld on my server. imo mnk is the only job that far behind in dmg. but i rememeber a time the days when it was a mnk & whm all that needed. but that was in the pastQuote:
Originally Posted by AoiX
now we at a time when it just blu,bst,geo pld run blm. sadly the other jobs get toss at the bottom of the sea -
08-11-2016, 03:52 AMAoiXI agree with your point of view when it comes to Dancer. It can be a great job. But it's still not a job that has been shining at a particular moment in the past years sine it's release. A well deserved spotlight should also come to this job. As for RUN, maybe I don't know enough RUNs to attest to what you are sayiyng. On my experience I only see PLDs with Aegis and Ochain doing the tanking duties.Quote:
Originally Posted by nyheen
All in all, we need to move away from the current "mandatory" setup. FFXI being a very horizontal game, it should also offer the same treatment for the jobs available. -
08-11-2016, 11:35 AMOmnysValefor
As an Aegis/Ochain/Burtgang: If you're not very good and playing on PLD, you can still do decently.
As a 2020 JP RUN (lol, just haven't finished it) working on gear, and regularly using it to tank: If you're not very good and playing on RUN, you'll die a lot.
Further: Because RUN has Monk~ levels of defense and evasion, gearsets are a bit harder to build and manage. You also need to be good at managing buffs. RUN is like a better version of what NIN used to be: It has weak natural defense, but played right and you're a king.
That said, run's party-buffs (Valiance particularly!) and monster debuffs (Rayke/Gambit) are... unmatched by anything in PLD's toolkit.
Knowing all of this, if I was going to pug a tank I did not know, I'd choose an Aegis PLD over a RUN because PLD is not as hard. -
08-11-2016, 07:22 PMCrAZYVIC
I think square enix use this logic balancing jobs -_-
They run some test with their internal personal not even real FFXI players.
PLD, GEO, X3 MNK and WHM
PLD, GEO, X3 WAR and WHM
PLD, GEO, X3 BLU and WHM
PLD, GEO, X3 RNG and WHM
They test all the battles the best gear posible. So MNK group killed in 60 seconds, WAR groupd killed in 52 seconds, BLU group killed in 55 seconds and RNG group killed in 62 seconds. So they say "Nah for 5 seconds the game its fine". Its the players make METADRAMAS.
This game need a entire job balance. Tanks/Support must be a 7 in terms of damage, Utily/Hybrid DD must be a 9 and pure DD classes must be a 11. Yes using dragon ball super analogy to see if fuji/matsui understand me better LOL -
08-12-2016, 07:12 PMBBWallace
Well apparently Monk doesn't need a boost because its on the same level as blu atm.
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08-12-2016, 07:17 PMBobbinT
yea, sadly I'm also one of those ppl who grinded MNK back in the day because it was the hottie for Adoulin. ^^;
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08-12-2016, 08:25 PMJakukAfter the Abyssea era was levelling ever a "grind."Quote:
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08-12-2016, 08:39 PMBobbinT
there's no "trusts" back then tho. lol
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08-12-2016, 10:47 PMJakukNo, you instead stood around in Abyssea doing nothing to get EXP.Quote:
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Like I said, after Abyssea there was no grind. -
08-13-2016, 01:27 PMBobbinT
sorry to disappoint you, but I do work my butt through Gusgen, Crawler's Nest, & Botaunieux till lvl 80 before I step into Abyssea since there's no point swinging my weapon and barely hits. And it's actually more challenging after trusts introduced since xp parties start to dies, so I have to work extra on other zones such as Lower Delkfutt, Altepa desert, Boyahda, & Gustav which is actually one of great place to cap my skills too. I unsubbed mid of Adoulin becoz FF14 2.0 starts & lacking stamina to play 2 MMO, so I have no idea how xp farm beyond that point though.
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08-16-2016, 03:39 AMAfaniaQuote:
Originally Posted by AoiX
DNC is currently top DD. RUN is currently preferred endgame(ilv 145+ content) tank job because of gambit/rayke. Tons of endgame LS out there actively recruit RUN, on the other hand they don't recruit PLD as much.
Sometimes certain jobs get shout more often, that doesn't mean the other jobs are "behind". Some jobs aren't being shouted because people don't know about them, that's all. Tons of jobs that's not in shout can compete with current bandwagon job and do better.
I'd say currently all jobs are fairly balanced right now.....all jobs except MNK. MNK being the bandwagon job in 2013 don't justify MNK mathematically weaker than other DD. -
08-17-2016, 03:25 AMAtaraxiaMonk is not the same as blue mage. Blue Mage is far superior in durability and melee vs a Mnk, War, Drk, Sam, Drg, etc. The data between a Mnk and a Blu is 100% wrong. The only time a monk ever win in damage is because a Blue Mage let you win by not trying to out damage them. At this point Drg and Dark Knight already make Mnk look bad in the damage department.Quote:
Originally Posted by BBWallace
As a Blue Mage that max out their job points at 2100 they are capable of solo with trust on high tier mission battle avatar Leviathan at very difficult. Some people have kill it under 3 minute. I have tried it myself and was only able to kill it under 10 minute with my trust at very difficult.
It is impossible for a Mnk, Drg, War, Drk, Sam to solo with their trust against avatar leviathan at very difficult. If a blue mage with trust clear a content in 10 minute avatar at very difficult than a Mnk, War, Drk, Sam should be able to kill it in 15 or 20 minute without problem but the truth hurt because a lot of times those job end up dead with their trust.
I think the dev team have done a good job in august update 2016 to the game and it got more people playing FFXI again for now but for how long until they are gone again? =) I do not understand why high tier mission at very difficult level 129 is more tougher than solo Reisenjima S1 NM level 129?
Akihiko Matsui If you have time please test out Mnk weapon skill compare it to a Blue Mage. I'm sure other DD need testing too so all damage is fair with melee job. I don't understand how shijin spiral weapon skill does 4k to 6k on Aello while savage blade at 3000 tp does over 21,000 maybe the weapon skill shijin spiral just really suck so bad and it was no different on Uptala NM. Next worse weapon skill in the game is exenterator dagger weapon skills. -
08-19-2016, 10:00 AMOddwaffle
I agree. Monk is currently in the 'lol' position that drg and pup used to enjoy. They are so pathetically weak that I am not even sure how to fix the job. Surely, giving Monk "Accuracy Bonus V" and decent weapon skills would help but it doesn't fix the actual problem: Mnk, Drk, Drg, Sam and War: are so pure as DD that they can't do anything else. This is an inhering problem of FFXI when it comes to job balance and party dynamics. Jobs are too specialized and it is really hard to 'share' positions without being bold a break something with the job dynamics.
You can see that there are 4 positions in FFXI: Healer, Tank, DD and Support. Jobs that can do only 1 thing really well tend to be the bangwagon of the month while jack-of-all-trait jobs tend to stay somewhere in the middle - I will get this guy if I can't get the specialists.
Attempts to change this dynamic of DD, Support, Healer and Tank were half-baked or just didn't turn out well. Ninja as evasion tank, War as a meat tank, Rdm as a front line DD, Dnc as a healer/tank/DD...etc.
What I would suggest is to allow jobs to actually go into a full blown "Stance" job abilities that can actually fulfill the a particular job into a position. Every job needs to be able to fulfill 2-3 of the 4 roles. Sch worked out well as a healer but Whm got threaten because Sch was stealing the only role Whm had: Healer. If Whm could function well as a support buff job with a 'Stance' job ability then there wouldn't be a problem.
However, SE needs to prevent certain amount of abuse with the "Stance" and should not be afraid to buff a job to match or even slightly stronger than others. You don't want a WAR to switch from attacking into tanking mode in a flash - that would defeat the purpose. I would like to see Warrior with extremely strong defense that can block/parry most attacks similar to a Pld but unable to deliver smashing damage. Or perhaps a WHM with full-on I can cure myself from everything and just tank everything as long as his MP holds. I would love to see a Monk curing and maybe buffing a party like a Bard does with his Chi abilities but that would make him unable to attack. -
08-20-2016, 04:39 AMUrthdigger
I've often wondered if SE intends for MNK to be a tank instead of a DD. Quite a few of their JP categories and almost every last one of their job exclusive gifts focus on the tanking aspect. That said... it only really excels at tanking standard auto-attack damage at the moment. TP moves are only reduced by the ever unreliable Guard skill, and magic isn't negated at all. On top of that, they lack the strong snap aggro and spell buffs that other tanks have. Subjobs can fix a little bit of these issues, but I do think the job itself needs a bit more tanking ability of its own to actually be a viable option these days.
Going off of the previous post, I would like to see Counterstance greatly improved. For starters, the downside NEEDS to be something that doesn't affect a tank. The fact that your tank stance (and "dps" stance back when footwork was a stance) also greatly detriment the same role they're supposed to buff has always been the biggest issue with MNK's stances compared to other ones. Perhaps lower crit rate and negate kick attacks, and give increased enmity and guard on top of counterstance's increased counter rate? Something along those lines?