Now, I don't in any way shape or form expect it to be changed (though myself, and I'm sure many others would be thrilled if it was), but I honestly wanted to get a response from whoever helped design mnk af3+2 as to what they were thinking when they created the pants.
The head, hands, body, and feet all match quite well, but the legs are horribly out of place and mismatched.
Was there any reason it was designed this way?
I'm just honestly curious. I mean out of all the people I'd assume work on these things, I'm sure someone had to have noticed it didn't match at all before it was released.
Mnk af3+2 set mismatch
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04-09-2011, 09:54 AMCream_SodaMnk af3+2 set mismatch
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04-09-2011, 09:59 AMTsukino_Kaji
Weren't the pants just a reskin of the Shantoto reward?
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04-09-2011, 10:15 AMAlhanelem
Although most people seem think they look cool, I agree that the MNK emp pants (NOT AF3! ARRGH STOP CALLING IT THAT) look very out of place with the rest of the set.
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04-09-2011, 10:16 AMrog
Yeah, the af3 pants for mnk look pretty out of place, like alhanelem says.
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04-09-2011, 10:42 AMSwordsYeah of the mage reward pants I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji
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04-09-2011, 12:21 PMTsukino_Kaji
And this is an issue why? Masamune's WS is just a reskin of kasha, Fire V is just a mini Flare II and Blizzard V is just a Quake reskin.
They've been running out of ideas since they added SCH and DNC. -
04-09-2011, 12:45 PMCream_SodaIf they reskinned it to something that looked even similar to the rest of the set, it wouldn't be. It would be using your fire V flare II comparison for example, if they made fire V the same animation but purple instead of red.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji
At least make it the same color as the rest of the damn set. -
04-09-2011, 02:13 PMFiarliaWhy? This is what SE themselves called it before they came up with the name "Empyrean." >_>Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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04-09-2011, 04:47 PMMarkovChain
Use full usu like me. I'm pretty.
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04-09-2011, 05:10 PMAlhanelemfixed that for ya.Quote:
And this is an issue why? Masamune's WS is just a reskin of kasha, Fire V is just a mini Flare II and Blizzard V is just a Quake reskin.
They've been running out of disk space and memory since they added SCH and DNC.
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04-09-2011, 06:38 PMTamoa
I agree mnk AF3 legs doesn't match with the rest of the set. However, I like how they look, lol.
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04-09-2011, 06:58 PMblowfinWhat's even on the pants? Flaming fireballs or something? They totally make things go faster.Quote:
If they reskinned it to something that looked even similar to the rest of the set, it wouldn't be.
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04-09-2011, 08:07 PMCream_Sodahttp://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...ttire-Full.PNGQuote:
Originally Posted by blowfin
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04-09-2011, 08:25 PMrogUh, no. And even if they were, reskins use EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF DISK SPACE, AND MEMORY AS ORIGINAL TEXTURES.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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04-09-2011, 11:49 PMbishop
Make the pants blue, and flames gold. The end.
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04-10-2011, 12:11 AMAlhanelemUm... yeah,, and that's the point? Not needing to use different textures and animations would save disk space/memory?Quote:
Originally Posted by rog
Texture A and texture B of the same object do NOT use the same amount of disk space. They recycle stuff because
1) (models) The same model/object can be made to look many different ways with different skins (Using the same model saves disk space
2) (textures) The same texture can be used in many different places without people noticing, or where they notice, without them caring Using the same texture many times saves both disk space (from not using a different texture) and memory (The same texture used multiple times only needs to be loaded once)
3) (animations) The same animation can be used with many different objects. Using the same animation instead of a new one also saves disk space.
Reusing art assets is not about a lack of ideas, it's about efficiency.
You've been pwned. Next. -
04-10-2011, 04:04 AMrog
You are wrong. The models, textures, and animations all use the same file.
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04-10-2011, 05:15 AMCream_SodaInternet super hero up in hereQuote:
You've been pwned. Next.
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04-10-2011, 05:57 AMAlhanelemYou clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you know nothing about how the data files and data in general works. Different textures do NOT use the same file unless they are both in the same dat file. And even then, the dat file's size is the total size of all the things inside of it anyway, so it doesn't matter if it's the same file or not, it still takes up more space if there are more textures.Quote:
You are wrong. The models, textures, and animations all use the same file.
DAT files are archives. They contain multiple peices of information within them, yes. But the individual pieces of information within them vary in size. Different textures have different sizes, different models have different sizes, and this results in DAT files that have different sizes (Ignoring the fact that different DAT files have different amounts of objects in them).
Please, stop posting stuff like what you said. You're only making yourself look worse with each post- but since you seem to be intentionally trying to get yourself banned anyway, I guess it doesn't matter. Even using your own logic, that the "same file" is being used,this isn't more efficient how? -
04-10-2011, 06:24 AMFutanYeah, each piece of equipment/area/WS/etc. has it's own .DAT file. So as someone mentioned earlier, both Kasha and Fudo have their own .DAT file housing their own animation and effects. So while the animation is the same, no disk space is saved because of the redundant information.Quote:
Originally Posted by rog
While he is right that it is about efficiency. It's much cheaper and faster to modify equipment/textures/areas/etc. than create new ones. And considering the dev team probably consists of 3 members now, it's about the only choice they have. -
04-10-2011, 06:26 AMblowfinThey're totally flaming fireballs, can't you just pretend you're doing a "haduken" or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
Maybe try to think of yourself as one of these?
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04-10-2011, 06:31 AMAlhanelemThe WS have their own dat files, but the animations are not part of them. The animations are actually in several different places. The motions made by the character itself are part of the core animations associated with each race. The visual effects applied on the target are in a different place. Many WS use the same character motions and these do not consume additional space for each WS. Only the distinct visual effects consume additional space, and if those visual effects use any identical textures (a recolor is most likely a different texture in FFXI, though more advanced engines can recolor textures (these are called procedurally generated) without needing extra space) that DOES save memory/space.Quote:
no disk space is saved because of the redundant information.
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04-10-2011, 07:50 AMrog
Most of what you said is wrong. The full animation for ws is is each .dat for the ws, not for the character .dats. And with gear, both the textures, and model are stored in every .dat, they are no seperate.
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04-10-2011, 08:05 AMAlhanelem
Actually, it's most of what you said that's wrong. If that were accurate, the the game would take up several orders of magnitude more space than it currently does. But go on and keep telling yourself that. What you are seeing are references to other data, not the actual data itself.
(Note- there are a number of duplicate textures in the dats. However there are many items that share the same images and model for which only one corresponding texture I was able to find.) -
04-10-2011, 08:50 AMMeyiMaybe if they made the flame design gold?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
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04-10-2011, 09:58 AMAlhanelem
They really should have remained shorts. You can hardly see the boots at all.