Why BST needs have its capabilities reduced

Go do a search on Youtube for the following:

AA GK Very Difficult BST Solo
AA MR Very Difficult BST Solo
AA HM Very Difficult BST Solo

Most people would have to take such a fight very seriously, but you have this guy doing Ninja job emote since his pet is doing all the work. Now let's compare his pet's capabilities to that of players. Notice that the distance nerf did nothing.

First off tanking.... his pet doesn't get buffs other than food and gear.... so take the greatest geared PLD with only comparable food that the BST used, no phalanx, no reprisal, no protect, no shell, etc. Now then only allow the PLD to be cured as often and for as much as the BST can do for his pet. I guarantee you the PLD would die, especially when the Very Difficult AA gets below 25% HP.

Secondly damage dealing.... again, his pet doesn't get buffs other than food and gear.... so take the greatest geared SAM with only comparable food that the BST used. To be really fair in this comparison, the SAM should have to TP in damage taken gear... but if you do the math, even not being in damage taken gear the SAM would be whiffing like crazy. There is no way the SAM would come even remotely close to the damage that pet did.

So we have a pet not only greater than the best possible players in their specific functions, it is tanking and doing more damage AT THE SAME TIME. Other multi-function jobs do not get decried as much, for instance RDM, because RDM pales in comparison in the functions they are performing compared to those who specialize. But here we have a pet not only doing better than jobs that specialize in those functions, but doing multiple functions at the same time better than the specialized jobs.

This is why BST needs to be nerfed.

A good way to start on the right path to making the job more realistic is to make it so the pet actually has to have TP before it can do a TP move.

Irrelevant.

Very few BST will ever have his level of gear. You go spend a half billion Gil on a job like he did....on something like BLU, BLM or SCH and look at the damage they do in SR vs a BST.

So, congratulations, a perfectly geared BST can solo, that's what it was designed to do.

Post Nerf BST is useless for the majority of BST. You can't compare him to almost anyone on any other server anywhere.

Irrelevant.

Go do a web search of Draylo's solos on blu. Does blu then need to be nerfed?

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This is why BST needs to be nerfed.

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Seriously! what a really bad taru to speak like that.
Did you know that those Ark Angel fight are unique because those 3 high tier mission are all slashing damage type.
Not all Pet can be use to solo this fight because it's very difficult to do so even in normal mode if your not well gear and using the correct pet. The main Pet that was use in those fight is Swooping Zhivago bird that pet have -50% slashing damage. If SE feel that it's over power to have such a pet than nerf the PET not the BST. However, the downside to using those pet is the slow kill rate and probably require the use of Dawn Mulsum those item are costly.

First of all are you 100% sure it was SOLO and not use TRUST when double trust campaign is up? because that is not solo when using a trust. In fact, many people are using trust to help them beat normal high tier mission and others mini event.

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Originally Posted by Jile

Irrelevant.

Very few BST will ever have his level of gear. You go spend a half billion Gil on a job like he did....on something like BLU, BLM or SCH and look at the damage they do in SR vs a BST.

So, congratulations, a perfectly geared BST can solo, that's what it was designed to do.

Post Nerf BST is useless for the majority of BST. You can't compare him to almost anyone on any other server anywhere.

Irrelevant.

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You not heard, people should be punished for gearing and playing their job well, and in a way that the vast majority of players can not.

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Originally Posted by Ataraxia

First of all are you 100% sure it was SOLO and not use TRUST when double trust campaign is up? because that is not solo when using a trust. In fact, many people are using trust to help them beat normal high tier mission and others mini event.

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Using a pet as well isn't really solo by that logic.

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Originally Posted by Jile

Irrelevant.

Very few BST will ever have his level of gear. You go spend a half billion Gil on a job like he did....on something like BLU, BLM or SCH and look at the damage they do in SR vs a BST.

So, congratulations, a perfectly geared BST can solo, that's what it was designed to do.

Post Nerf BST is useless for the majority of BST. You can't compare him to almost anyone on any other server anywhere.

Irrelevant.

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Your post is irrelevant. You obviously have very poor reading comprehension. A perfectly geared BST pet should not be able to out tank a perfectly geared PLD and out DD a perfectly geared SAM, ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

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Originally Posted by Ataraxia

Seriously! what a really bad taru to speak like that.
Did you know that those Ark Angel fight are unique because those 3 high tier mission are all slashing damage type.
Not all Pet can be use to solo this fight because it's very difficult to do so even in normal mode if your not well gear and using the correct pet. The main Pet that was use in those fight is Swooping Zhivago bird that pet have -50% slashing damage. If SE feel that it's over power to have such a pet than nerf the PET not the BST. However, the downside to using those pet is the slow kill rate and probably require the use of Dawn Mulsum those item are costly.

First of all are you 100% sure it was SOLO and not use TRUST when double trust campaign is up? because that is not solo when using a trust. In fact, many people are using trust to help them beat normal high tier mission and others mini event.

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Don't dismiss my post because you didn't bother to go watch the videos. He wasn't using trusts. And yes BST needs to be nerfed. The best geared BST pet should not be able to outperform the best geared PLD and best geared SAM.... AT THE SAME TIME.

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Originally Posted by Malthar

Go do a web search of Draylo's solos on blu. Does blu then need to be nerfed?

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The ability to solo doesn't mean one should be nerfed. That is not what I am arguing. I am arguing that you shouldn't be able to do more than one function better than the jobs that specialize in those functions AT THE SAME TIME.

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Originally Posted by Daisansha

Don't dismiss my post because you didn't bother to go watch the videos. He wasn't using trusts. And yes BST needs to be nerfed. The best geared BST pet should not be able to outperform the best geared PLD and best geared SAM.... AT THE SAME TIME.

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They simply do not out-perform either except in a few fights at best, and before you start I have seen the videos.

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Originally Posted by Daisansha

Your post is irrelevant. You obviously have very poor reading comprehension. A perfectly geared BST pet should not be able to out tank a perfectly geared PLD and out DD a perfectly geared SAM, ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

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He didn't out tank a PLD, he used what, 200,000+ Gil in pet foods per fight while he's constantly being swapped from PDT to dmg on ready moves etc. You see only what you want to see.

Your PLD does the same fight for free and that epicly geared BST barely finishes before running out of time and he's paying upward of 200,000 not counting HQ pets cost for the privilege.

Quit crying for a Nerf, this thread is obviously trollbait and irrelevant. If it takes you nearly 30 min to get a win with a SAM and PLD with the same amount of active swapping of the best options in the game, your doing it wrong, perhaps it's time to go play wow lol. BST with the best gear in the game gets a win, with lots of wasted time and Gil where you should be able to blow through it for free.

Irrelevant thread.

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Originally Posted by Daisansha

The ability to solo doesn't mean one should be nerfed. That is not what I am arguing. I am arguing that you shouldn't be able to do more than one function better than the jobs that specialize in those functions AT THE SAME TIME.

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BST was designed from the outset to be a superior soloist. It is doing exactly what it was designed to do, by a player who is playing at the top of his game. Your petty jealousy is revolting.

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Originally Posted by Daisansha

Go do a search on Youtube for the following:

AA GK Very Difficult BST Solo
AA MR Very Difficult BST Solo
AA HM Very Difficult BST Solo

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I have a better idea. Why don't YOU go search on Youtube for those search terms, then provide us links or at the very least URLs to point them out. When you want to convince someone of something, you don't say "There is evidence out there that I feel supports my idea. Go find it for yourself.".

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Originally Posted by Daisansha

The ability to solo doesn't mean one should be nerfed. That is not what I am arguing. I am arguing that you shouldn't be able to do more than one function better than the jobs that specialize in those functions AT THE SAME TIME.

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Again, go look at Draylo's solos doing functions better than the jobs that specialize in those functions AT THE SAME TIME.

Now go do a youtube search for FFXI scholar AA solo or FFXI scholar Delve solo, realize that your logic is broken and then find some other way to harass people who like to play beast master.

inb4 this turns out to be the alt account of some guy who got banned for harassing people on previous nerf bst threads.

No, it's a real account. I know Dai from Leviathan and he should know better. :-D
Bad Dai.

Um weren't those all done before they fixed spur jps and most of them coming pretty close on time? The loss of 30% dmg half the time had a huge effect on the ability to solo things in time

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Originally Posted by Daisansha

The ability to solo doesn't mean one should be nerfed. That is not what I am arguing. I am arguing that you shouldn't be able to do more than one function better than the jobs that specialize in those functions AT THE SAME TIME.

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I'm kind of at a loss at the tanking thing... DDing sure certain situations maybe a little here and there. But tanking? I out tank mosts bsts on run or pld without support. And with minimal any support easily outdo the good bsts outside of some specific things pets are better at like vs charm (unless I can time fealty or pflug for it). As something of a career tank for awhile now I just don't see them outtanking either in hate or in terms of survivability unless they restore dmg enmity back to what it was

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Originally Posted by dasva

Um weren't those all done before they fixed spur jps and most of them coming pretty close on time? The loss of 30% dmg half the time had a huge effect on the ability to solo things in time

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They were done after the spur & distance nerfs! :D

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Originally Posted by Beazt

They were done after the spur & distance nerfs! :D

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It just can't be considered whats typically possible on BST. You did a great job, it's just you have the best chance of doing so with the best possible gear and augments being shifted through every possible configuration as the situation changes and people are presuming a spark geared BST without macro'd gear can do the same when it's not remotely possible for them.

It's also worth noting that those things can be soloed on N by just about any job without using 1hrs and spending $200k+ on Dawn Mulsums. Even with the increased drop rates from doing them on D or VD, it's probably still easier to get the gear by soloing a bunch of N fights on THF instead of doing D once per hour on BST.

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Originally Posted by bazookatooth

It's also worth noting that those things can be soloed on N by just about any job without using 1hrs and spending $200k+ on Dawn Mulsums. Even with the increased drop rates from doing them on D or VD, it's probably still easier to get the gear by soloing a bunch of N fights on THF instead of doing D once per hour on BST.

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It's so much more fun on VD! :D

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Originally Posted by Beazt

It's so much more fun on VD! :D

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I agree, but it's hardly anything for people to be upset about.

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Originally Posted by Daisansha

Go do a search on Youtube for the following:

AA GK Very Difficult BST Solo
AA MR Very Difficult BST Solo
AA HM Very Difficult BST Solo

Most people would have to take such a fight very seriously, but you have this guy doing Ninja job emote since his pet is doing all the work. Now let's compare his pet's capabilities to that of players. Notice that the distance nerf did nothing.

First off tanking.... his pet doesn't get buffs other than food and gear.... so take the greatest geared PLD with only comparable food that the BST used, no phalanx, no reprisal, no protect, no shell, etc. Now then only allow the PLD to be cured as often and for as much as the BST can do for his pet. I guarantee you the PLD would die, especially when the Very Difficult AA gets below 25% HP.

Secondly damage dealing.... again, his pet doesn't get buffs other than food and gear.... so take the greatest geared SAM with only comparable food that the BST used. To be really fair in this comparison, the SAM should have to TP in damage taken gear... but if you do the math, even not being in damage taken gear the SAM would be whiffing like crazy. There is no way the SAM would come even remotely close to the damage that pet did.

So we have a pet not only greater than the best possible players in their specific functions, it is tanking and doing more damage AT THE SAME TIME. Other multi-function jobs do not get decried as much, for instance RDM, because RDM pales in comparison in the functions they are performing compared to those who specialize. But here we have a pet not only doing better than jobs that specialize in those functions, but doing multiple functions at the same time better than the specialized jobs.

This is why BST needs to be nerfed.

A good way to start on the right path to making the job more realistic is to make it so the pet actually has to have TP before it can do a TP move.

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Listen. I'm a horribly geared PUP and I mean horribly geared. I can almost solo VE/E without having any Gifts on the AA fight with my ValorEdge Frame. When I super perfectly Geared I'm sure I could probably Solo N or possibly D With little problems. Does PUP need to be nerfed then? An Automaton could Tank just as well as a PLD if the attachments are right and the gear/gifts are right. Maybe you dont' like the fact that people who worked harder than you can do things better than you now. Put in the work and you could probably get to a level where you could do the same thing.