I left (again) 2 months ago. I came back for the free access this time again but I can't see myself playing very much this time, because I have no intention of re-subbing considering what I'll be paying for (a game with a death sentence).
So my question is this, if you did come back what would make you want to stay? These free access fortnights are an obvious lure, but if the line isn't strong enough they won't be reeling in much money from them.
For me, I would want either continued full development (Yoshida even said that the key to longevity for an mmo is CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT), a very cheap sub or free access system with a cash shop selling cosmetics. I like my waifu, yes I would buy outfits to dress her up! the point is, either I'm paying for good updates on a game with a long-life or I'm paying for cosmetics. I ain't paying for nothing because you think we are suckers.
These very regular free access fortnights show that they still want XI players money, they just don't know how to make us stay and/or don't want to spend any money to that end.
Money to me is of little concern, I'm playing a f2p game right now. I spent well over £200 last month on it buying outfits for my characters, I still refuse to pay £12 sub for a game in the state XI is in. Mainly, it's the principle.
The idea of Rhapsodies was a spectacular flop imo, it did far more damage than good to this game. when you say you want to end the game with a spectacular ending, you still just said ending.
Make me want to stay Square, I still have the desire to play it but you need to offer a better deal than you are offering right now.
I know what the player numbers are like on this game now, so more agree with this mindset than you obviously assumed would. Do something about it before it's too late.
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08-12-2015, 02:02 AMCastanicaWhat would make you return to ffxi? (if you left and came back for the free access)
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08-12-2015, 02:13 AMObysuca
Tbh, one of the things that'd make me stay is mostly about players. It feels like people do content once and never again. I've come back for this free access and the last one and loved XI, even resubbed after the 1st one, but then I realize, unless the 2 friends I have that still play are on, there really isn't much to do, especially when theres 0 shouts (unless you can speak JP) and even if you shout for things, no one's interested.
I'd love to get back into XI and do some of the new content, but I've been cockatrice blocked because no one has a reason to redo the older delve or vagary, so I can't get the stuff to be able to do the new content (missing every hit is not fun). It feels like somewhere in the last few years, SE went from "make all content relevant so people continue to do it" to XIV's concept of "make content that's throwaway so if you missed it, you're out of luck". Which is pretty sad and is a horrible way to get/keep players.
I'd say after November, you'd think XIV could support XI so we could still get some sort of content, considering XI supported XIV for however many years, but then again, XIV's not doing as well as people think, so I guess that's not an option. Just seems kind of cheap to charge $13 a month still when they have no plans to add anymore content after November. SE pretty much killed XI themselves by saying that, because I know a lot of people who won't come back due to no more updates but still being charged.
It won't happen, but what would really draw me back to XI is if it was still how it was back in the day. When you always had stuff to do and people to do stuff with, even if it was just lvling a job to 75. -
08-12-2015, 05:28 AMUlth
I've actually told SE the reason why I still play FFXI in a survey they wanted me to fill out after dealing with their customer service. The reason I still play is because I have friends who play. That being said a lot of the fun of this game is playing it with your friends. However when any of my friends who don't play it ask if I recommend it I tell them I don't, and the subscription fee is too high. I would love for them to be on the game so we could play together, but I don't feel right roping them into an addiction that costs 13 bucks a month.
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08-12-2015, 07:41 AMMidnitdragoon
To me is always been about the community and people. It's what made ff11 so great. The issue in having nowadays is that with trusts ppl just want to solo everything. Don't get me wrong... Trust are a wonderful addition to the game but just feel that it's making ppl antisocial.
Lots of my friends would love to give ff11 try but they always ask when or if there will be a graphics update to the game. They'd love to play if the graphics had the next gen feel. -
08-12-2015, 08:13 AMDraylo-
What would make them return is a higher population and for the game to be popular again, which is very unlikely to happen. People like to place the blame on Abyssea or Adoulin or Insert thing I don't like here, but its a lot more complicated than that. It's an old game and one that its Developers didn't care to invest in its future. People like to play things that are popular to fit in, when something is unpopular you get the effect we see now where anytime FFXI is brought up its constantly bashed (check out the Facebook page for FFXI and any youtube videos.) Sad fact is that SE could have prevented their so called "PS2 Dev kit" situation but they didn't. They are banking on all they need is FFXIV and they and putting off FFXI onto Nexon for their mobile POS. Unfortunately, its way past the time to salvage anything unless they do go back on their word and say they are planning to continue updates. They have the money and the resources but its all up to them.
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08-12-2015, 10:28 AMStompa
I paid subs every month since 2004, with the exception of the months when SEAMS was having payment problems and not accepting my money, those are the only months I did not pay for FFXI in eleven years.
I don't want or need discounts, I am happy paying the full subs. I love the world of Vanadiel, and FFXI is the best computergame I've ever played in my life. When I pay the FFXI subs it is my submission of respect to the game. It is the same as if a workman does a great job re-bricking a wall in my house, and he charges me a low rate, I will pay him extra and add a substantial tip if I think he did a good job and behaved professionally. If a product or service is good, it deserves to be paid for. The subs we pay for FFXI are keeping the game alive, so if you love FFXI it makes sense to keep paying for it.
I am staying because my heart is in Vanadiel. My life would not be the same at all if I couldn't see my Tarutaru, my automaton, and my pet mog-garden sheep, Rameses. When I finish work every day, I look forward to logging into Vanadiel, chatting with my in-game friends, pwning some monsters and doing some fishing. This is part of my daily life for over a decade, and I would miss Vanadiel terribly if I couldn't go there anymore. That is why I am happy paying subs every month, so that I can continue to log-in and have fun with my friends in the world that I love. -
08-12-2015, 08:59 PMCastanicaI'm glad you're happy but you didn't read the topic title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stompa
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08-13-2015, 12:58 AMAlhanelem
I would return on a more permanent basis if they either reduced the sub fee (seeing as content updates are going to stop), or reinstated the FFXI+FFXIV discount. It's a money thing for me, nothing else.
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08-13-2015, 01:29 AMUlth
Group discount wouldn't hurt either. Lots of people play with their family.
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08-13-2015, 01:35 AMDraylo-
I have no idea why they got rid of that.
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08-13-2015, 05:43 AMBillnesWhat would make you return to ffxi? (if you left and came back for the free access)Dear Castanica,Quote:
Originally Posted by Castanica
To the best of my understanding, the development team, the executives at Square-Enix and some people here in the forum with the technical chops to do so, have written several posts on this subject: Writing new content for Final Fantasy XI requires Playstation 2 Development Hardware. As the years go by, there are fewer and fewer working development units that Square-Enix can acquire. To the best of my understanding: At one time, SONY placed a recall notice to developers. SONY wanted to destroy as many of these units as they could to prevent them from getting out to unauthorized parties. Again, to the best of my understanding: The SONY PS2 Development Kits, are very large, (40 Lbs.) feature extremely-highly customized circuit boards, (making them difficult, if not impossible to repair) boot very slowly, have limited RAM, use an old, obscure OS and are difficult to ship because of their weight and extreme fragility.
In my humble opinion, I believe that trying to emulate the functionality of the PS2 Development Kit, even using today's modern hardware would be extremely difficult or even impossible. The original SONY hardware appears to be too heavily customized. I also believe that not enough people outside of the Computer Science field understand that with emulation, you're asking software to do a job that was originally intended to be done by hardware. I simply don't think it's a viable option for Square-Enix to invest in attempting to rebuild hardware built by SONY.
Playstation 2 Development Kit motherboard
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0nTeIU_pcfo/maxresdefault.jpg
ASSEMblergames.com on YouTube purchased several dev units that were still working. According to the videos voice over, they were purchased at liquidation, when Midway went bankrupt. If you watch the video carefully, you can see that it works on Red Hat Linux 5.2 Apollo. The dev kit requires two monitors. The first one to enter Unix commands and write the actual code. The second monitor is an NTSC resolution monitor (low resolution) that's used to view how the finished game code is playing. Until a username & password is entered into the Unix side of the system, the NTSC monitor shows a splash screen. The video shows that the dev tool has a CD/DVD-ROM drive and can be put into "Retail Mode" via a code entered at the command line. I'm going on the presumption that just like the Debuggers Unit, this tool would not be able to play DVD movies, even if it was in "Retail Mode".
Watch the first video from Assembler Games here.
In another YT video, ASSEMblergames.com disassembled a dev kit to illustrate how heavily customized the dev kit motherboard is.
The next video can be seen here.
The unit itself:
http://media.techeblog.com/images/pl...ion2devkit.jpg
Size comparison:
http://www.hostingbytes.us/images/2/567372.jpg
I hope this helps. I assure you that I made every effort to write this article as clearly and concisely as humanly possible.
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08-13-2015, 06:04 AMDraylo-
That doesn't matter Bill. They clearly have enough money to create boring flops, why can't they invest in an MMO that was their bread winner for years? It would bring back much larger returns than their 100th failure game or mobile game.
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08-13-2015, 07:08 AMStompaI did read it, and I tried to reply in the only way I could. I never quit the game, I was unable to play for a while during C&B era etc. and I came back as soon as I could and I was actually very happy that my money was being accepted in the SEAMS payment page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Castanica
Your post is basically talking about what would make a person stay in the game, if they came back, what would make them pay to play the game. I replied to that, as it applies to me, I am staying because I love playing FFXI, and I don't mind paying the subs, so the free trial doesn't matter to me. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear in my last post.
I have said before, in one of these previous identical threads, I agree with a slight lowering of subs in 2016 and beyond, as there is no new content, it makes sense to lower the subs slightly, or at least restore the XI/14 bundle offer. Although that wouldn't affect me, as I don't play 14.
And also I'm able to afford normal monthly FFXI subs as they are not expensive, and for the monthly subs I get many, many hours of happy and thrilling gaming. So I don't see the "free play" as important to me personally, I think FFXI subs are good value, for such an awesome game. -
08-13-2015, 07:12 AMCastanicaIt's none of the issue, if Square wanted they could get around that since they no longer support the ps2 anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billnes
The point was, they didn't want to spend any money to get around it. Yet they still want to charge FULL PRICE while offering a vastly inferior service.
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08-13-2015, 01:03 PMAlhanelemThat's because it doesn't make them as much money as people seem to think it does. Yes, it's profitable. But it's not profitable enough any more for them to jump through the necessary hoops to keep things going when their dev kits fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Castanica
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08-13-2015, 04:53 PMCastanicaThat's because they don't know how to make it more profitable, there is nothing beside the company itself from stopping this game becoming very profitable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
With proper investment and not the horrible treatment the game has gotten over the last 5 years it would be very profitable.
Irregardless, trying to continue to charge a full sub when you have zero intention of developing the game is pure greed. This is still a bigger game than a lot of other titles that run right now. -
08-13-2015, 06:59 PMkylani
After being frustrated at work during the day due to a post on these forums, I came home, logged in to play, and realized the fun has gone out of the game. Logged into my crafters to get mog pells and logged out. I play a game to have fun, not be frustrated by a game when everything else in my life is great.
I checked facebook, and a friend asked if I had played FFXI recently. What timing... We left FFXI for FFXIV v.1 with most of our LS ages ago. As full of bitterness as I was, I couldn't knock FFXI to him. I've played quite a few MMOs, most of them with this friend (Vanguard, lotro, wow, guild wars 2, etc), but FFXI is without doubt the best MMO I've ever played. If anything, there is so much content, FFXI is overwhelming and hard to explain to someone who is thinking about coming back after being away several years. I ended up telling him some of the many changes that have been added, and he's going to download and give it a try. He sounded excited, even as I just don't have the heart to play... I wanted to warn him, but I also wanted him to see how great FFXI has become and enjoy it.
I've played this game for 11 years. This last time, my sons and I all signed up again. Our favorite jobs are PUP, PUP, and BST (me). My oldest realized end game would be too frustrating for him since PUP would probably never be wanted in end game, so he quit. My youngest and I agreed to avoid end game this time and just play the jobs we love, doing what we can, and we've had a fabulous time up till now enjoying working thru missions, content, job points, reforged and augmented gear as we could get it. I also love crafting as always.
I thought if we could avoid being sucked into end game and leveling other jobs over our favorites, we'd avoid the frustration of end game. I didn't realize the mentality of today had changed from if you want to do end game, level a DD, WHM, BRD, GEO, to if SE adds new content that, perish the thought, a job that has never been wanted in end game happens to be good at for a change, folks would cry to nerf the job so that DD, WHM, BRD, GEO are the only jobs wanted again. I've never ever asked for another job to be nerfed, and most definitely never asked for a basic part of a job that has existed since day one of the job to be changed. That the devs would even change a core mechanic vs. adjust the content thoroughly disgusts me that I can't get past it. I know I should. BST has changed plenty over the years and I used to roll with it, but the venom of player base after literally YEARS of disparaging BST and all the times I did play other jobs to play with friends because BST was limited with their setup has hit me hard. I didn't cry to nerf blm, mnk, etc so I could play BST when a blm could do a tier 1 nuke in skirmish for tons more damage than my poor sad pet. I hoped someday SE would fix BST. Now I just don't like to log in to the game and see other players anymore. It was a relief and pleasure to log out.
I don't think FFXI can ever appeal to the masses who want everything handed to them. A big part of FFXI is the richness of jobs and pure fun of story. No one wants to deal with having to figure out different setups anymore. I did Cop with our static (whm, pld, thf, drg, me (brd, rdm, bst as needed) when people told us Cop couldn't be done with our jobs. We failed often enough, but we figured it out and managed to win, and those wins are still some of my fondest memories.
I still love FFXI and think the devs have done a wonderful job in recent years. I just don't think it's possible to overcome the player base that has gotten worse faster than the game has gotten better, and I think sadly, this player mentality is the norm for most MMOs now. -
08-13-2015, 07:16 PMCastanica
The huge problem square has is they have big number mentality.
They don't seem to realize that the way almost every mmo is profitable these days is by feeding a niche, ffxi has an amazing niche but they are squandering it by tryting to copy the template that is failing to work on xiv.
As I said before if they just wake up and see how amazing this game is they could increase profits, sadly they will probably never do that.
They even have this idiotic mentality on FFXIV which is incredibly sad, both of these games could be much more profitable and they could take pride in them both. Instead they just see them both as embarassments due to lower player numbers than they would like and run them into the ground.
Please look at the mmo market square, you will never make another wow so stop trying to. -
08-13-2015, 07:28 PMkylani
After venting my frustrations, I realized that maybe SE is doing the right thing trying to have the game translated to a mobile app. Focus on making the game solo/duo/trio able. Cut out large groups altogether so that folks won't be as inclined to fuss about not being wanted.
Trusts are wonderful and seem to be getting better and better. Improve those to the point where Trusts are enough support for you and a friend or two to do most content. The fights are still fun and will require strategy. Just not a full party of cookie cutter jobs and a canned strat. Much as I used to love grouping, I think smaller groups of friends with trust support may be more enjoyable long term, and increase willingness to try new strategies if you can round out a party with trust jobs you need. People pretty seem to shout for the jobs they want today. Eliminate the need to shout. Grab friends, and go. :) -
08-14-2015, 12:13 AMKrystal
Frankly, I think they should make it so anyone with an active FF14 sub should be able to play FFXI free of charge. Lets face it, FFXI is awesome but its also seriously outdated and not nearly as popular as it once was. By giving this feature to active FF14 players, it allows players who love both MMOs but don't want to pay for both to be able to enjoy both.
Or at the very least give active ff14 subscribers a discounted rate. Whose gonna want to fork out 14 some odd bucks for an older MMO when they are already paying as much for the better looking one.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that FFXI isn't great but its still one thing no one can deny: OLD and not worth the 14 bucks a month anymore. -
08-14-2015, 12:41 AMCastanicaPoint is, if they wanted to. They could redesign the dev system to work without the ps2 dev kits, the ps2 isn't supported anymore so they could make this work from pc development only. It's less of "we can't" and more of "we don't really care". I really wish there was a guy in charge of XI that cared about it and has passion for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billnes
It's not impossible, they just don't want to in the same way they were considering making XI f2p but didn't want to spend money changing the engine to incorporate the cash shop. If they can spend a VAST amount of money remaking FFXIV into a average success then they can spend some on XI to continue running it for the next 10 years too. -
08-14-2015, 01:15 AMAlhanelemThey didn't design the ps2 dev tool, it would be an astronomical task for them to design their own. There's just no way.Quote:
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08-14-2015, 01:59 AMOlor
If they don't nerf BST I will probably continue playing. It was actually seeing BST was good that brought me back. If they make BST suck again I don't think I will be around long. I have spent so much time on that job, loving that job when it sucked. It is just sad to see other players can't stand seeing people have fun on the job they love. We're so close to the end of the game and all people can think about is stomping on other people having fun.
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08-14-2015, 02:17 AMObysucaWell, there used to be :/ But it seems now SE only cares about XIV and not really caring about XIV itself, seeing as how all content since 2.0, even to 3.0, has been the same, and more caring about $$$.Quote:
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08-14-2015, 04:49 PMAlhanelem
There has been a lot of cool stuff in recent updates. The problem at hand really has nothing to do with lack of caring and everything to do with lack of resources (and we're not purely talking about money here). When I look over the recent patches, I see plenty of sign they care about doing the best they can with what they have.
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08-14-2015, 05:59 PMMeyi
If they remade a couple of servers that were capped at specific expansions (like RoZ + CoP, or ROZ + COP + TOAU) then I'd happily pay a sub fee and recreate an entire character to play all over again. Because there was something magical about xp parties that I really enjoyed and wish I could recapture again.
Edit: Or anything nostalgic, really. I love FFXI and I miss Vana'diel so much... yet every time I repay for a month's subscription I only log on a couple of times and find myself bored or saddened by the loss of exploration. Maybe that comes with an aging game. But I miss old Vana'diel very much. SE did a wonderful job creating a unique world that squashed all opponents in my heart. And now nothing can fill its void. -
08-15-2015, 01:01 AMkylaniI agree with you. To me, it seems the developers are far more responsive than they used to be. I'm amazed at all the changes because I felt like they'd give up on FFXI after 14, but it seemed to me like they have tried to get players back and made changes to help new players get in and catch up. I really do think the player base itself is the biggest problem with the game.Quote:
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08-15-2015, 01:19 AMObysuca>_> Stopping all content while still charging full price isn't how you get players backQuote:
Originally Posted by kylani
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08-15-2015, 01:48 AMkylaniI think they tried and realize it's pointless. So now, they are doing what they can to finish up. I think it's good that they wanted to end with one last good content update before switching to maintenance mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obysuca
I also think the game is well worth the money for new players because of the wealth of existing content, and they will be keeping the servers up and making QOL changes. Nothing says they won't reduce the cost a bit eventually. Right now, they are still producing content. -
08-15-2015, 10:42 AMAlhanelemYou don't have any idea how much work it is to design hardware do you? They'd need to spin off a whole new company division devoted to the task. It totally wouldn't be worth the investment to redesign outdated hardware from the ground up for the sole purpose of delivering a new content update to a fairly low sub MMO (I'm not speaking about now, even at FFXI's peak it wasn't setting records). The game doesn't make THAT much money.Quote:
I do believe that given enough research time, man-hours & money, SE can do anything they wanted.
Sorry, you can't just look at a picture of a motherboard and then design a replacement. It taes a liiiiiiiiiiiiitle more effort than that;. And you're right, you don't need a computer science degree, you need an eletronic engineering degree. This message brought to you by someone that DOES have a computer science degree. COS majors don't design computer hardware, they design software. Hardware is the job of an engineer.Quote:
IMHO, you don't need a degree Computer Science. You simply have to look at the picture of the PS2 Dev Tool motherboard versus a retail motherboard.
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08-17-2015, 04:06 AMZumi
SE really needs to bring back the FFXIV + FFXI discount. Should be something like if you pay for FFXIV and you want to play FFXI you should be able to for a reduced price. Maybe 1 or 2 dollars extra should get you access to FFXI because you are already paying SE a lot per month for FFXIV.
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08-17-2015, 04:41 AMAlhanelem
Right now I'm trying to determine if you're trying to be snarky and sarcastic. Assuming you're not, you should know this is a discussion forum, you don't have to write your posts in the form of a letter.
The post was a reply to your post, hence why you were quoted. Perhaps I misunderstood the context of your statements? Your post is also confusing because you placed two quotes above your text. If you quote two people in a post, you should put the response to each under the respective quotes. -
08-17-2015, 05:07 AMDraylo-The game did make that much money, its one of their most profitable games to date. Try looking it up sometime before you make ignorant statements. Low numbers doesn't stop them from creating games that flop like a few of theirs have been. I can't imagine how doing an MMO that made them so much would be a bad idea. They could even go with another company like they did with nexus but for PC.Quote:
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08-17-2015, 08:30 AMSelindrile
A future or or free to play, one of the two.
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08-17-2015, 11:12 AMAlhanelemProfitable as a percentage, yes. Profitable in terms of total raw cash, I doubt it. That only speaks to how poorly some of their other games have sold, not how much money it made them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draylo-
Try looing it up sometime before you make ignorant statements. This game is not generating enough money (anymore) to make that kind of investment. I don't think you know how much it actually costs to develop hardware. Perhaps if they've held on to every single dollar they've collected through the game's history, yes. But that is so unlikely it isn't even funny.
The cost-benefit analysis of redesigning a PS2 development machine would be astronomically bad. Have you ever heard of a cost-benefit analysis? It is essentially asking the question, "If I spend this much money on this, how much will I get in return?" It doesn't even matter how much money the game made, if they don't see a strong enough return on investment, they're not going to do it. You're living in a fantasy land (okay, the joke's on me I guess) if you think that investing probably millions in developing obsolete hardware in order to be able to promise new content updates past next spring is going to bring enough players back / gain enough new players to be worth the cost. I'm not even sure they got enough out of the expansion for it to be worth it, considering the lack of impact it had on player numbers even in the short term. -
08-17-2015, 12:07 PMmachini
XI is their most profitable game of all time, the problem is that those profits went to fund garbage like XIII and XIV, money which should have been funneled back into XI.
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08-17-2015, 12:47 PMDraylo-Your entire post is contradicted by XIV's very existence. That game failed MISERABLY, and is still recovering the losses. They rebuilt that game from scratch yet you are saying because something has low numbers (XIV 1.0 did) it can't ever get a large amount of subs due to a rehaul, that is completely false by this own company's history. If the price to be paid was starting over, I'm sure a lot wouldn't mind if it meant XI still got updates and life. They could also outsource the project, just like they are doing with the mobile XI they are trying to make. You think they just make that to appease people? They probably have the silly thought it will be a huge hit, maybe in Japan but nobody really wants to play a MMO on a phone.Quote:
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08-17-2015, 02:22 PMAlhanelemThere's no contradiction here. Maybe your own facts should clue you in on just how much it costs to make and maintain an MMO. Your facts are also out of date because that game is no longer failing miserably, and last I checked, is profitable. But this is all totally beside the point and has nothing to do with the thread anymore. You know nothing about designing hardware. It is in no way feasible for SE to invest time and money into recreating an antiquated piece of hardware (What they should have done years ago and now probably cant since it would be a multi-year undertaking most likely, is port their code to be native on PC so that they could continue updating it) in order to continue.Quote:
Your entire post is contradicted by XIV's very existence. That game failed MISERABLY, and is still recovering the losses.
We can argue all day about exactly how successful FFXI has been, how successful or not any other game has been, but that has absolutely zero to do with the original topic. To tie it in, porting the code to PC or doing something to enable updates to continue would certainly bring me back. However, that is not realistic, no matter how much you think it is. It might have been practical had they started doing it years ago- but it would take them a long time if they started it now. How long do you think the game can maintain a playerbase with no content updates while they redevelop the dev hardware? it is not realistic in any way shape or form today. If we were having this debate 2-3 years ago, I'd be more inclined to support your notion that it would be possible. Of course, if they did that, we probably wouldn't have gotten the SOA expansion when we did, since resources would have had to be diverted from that.
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08-17-2015, 04:06 PMVanfrano
It has been said by others, FFXI was the game that brought them more money out of all the FF.
They had a steady cash flow but they didn't know nor want to keep it going and that is their mistake. They would never have created FFXIV if FFXI was not proof enough for them that the concept works but they failed terribly, and it seems like they are ending up failing again with 3.0. They have been creating beautiful empty shells since FFXIII with FFXI money instead of focusing on XI which could have been, to this day, their main source of money. Instead, they make people believe that FFXIV is a huge success and sent the "godlike" Yoshida to manipulate the whole fanbase. Even remaking FFVII is a desperate move. All they want now is to hit big, but they don't know how to do this. They are only looking for big fast income instead of a steady one but they will end up without FFXI and with a dead FFXIV sooner than they expect.
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08-17-2015, 04:13 PMDraylo-
That's my point, if they wanted to do it they CAN. Money is hardly an excuse with this company when they pump out a lot of lackluster games that I'm sure cost a lot of money and effort in total.
My information isn't out of date, I never said it is failing now but that it failed originally. Hence my next point where I used it as an example of how people (mostly sheep from WoW flocking to a game thats "popular") still subbed to XIV despite its terrible release and initial tiny playerbase when they charged for it. By your logic SE would have NEVER spend the money to redesign the game from the bottom up, instead they would continue servicing it like XI but that didn't happen.Quote:
There's no contradiction here. Maybe your own facts should clue you in on just how much it costs to make and maintain an MMO. Your facts are also out of date because that game is no longer failing miserably, and last I checked, is profitable
Just as long as the XIV players had to wait during 1.0? I was one of those players, hoping the game would change for the better and supporting SE. What differences does it make if people are waiting for something to come with no content updates or nothing to come with no content updates, there's still no updates.Quote:
How long do you think the game can maintain a playerbase with no content updates while they redevelop the dev hardware?
Yeah I'll agree that the discussion is pointless, but then again so is practically any on this forum and many like it. Hopefully one of their guys sees it and passing the disdain the community has for their choice along to the DEVs, wishful thinking.