Dear SE, once and for all, does Treasure Hunter affect Defending ring drop?

Dear SE,
Once and for all, does Treasure Hunter affect Defending ring drop? The best information I can find from the community is a little speculative. Can you give the straight truth?

Thank you!

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Originally Posted by Gwydion

Dear SE,
Once and for all, does Treasure Hunter affect Defending ring drop? The best information I can find from the community is a little speculative. Can you give the straight truth?

Thank you!

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yes. It does.

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Originally Posted by bazookatooth

yes. It does.

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No, it doesn't. You will always either get a Pixie Earring or a Defending Ring, TH can't boost your chances.

it 100% definitely does or does not maybe help

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Originally Posted by Gwydion

Dear SE,
Once and for all, does Treasure Hunter affect Defending ring drop? The best information I can find from the community is a little speculative. Can you give the straight truth?

Thank you!

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Originally Posted by bazookatooth

yes. It does.

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Nope, it does not. It's a shared drop of Pixie Earring (92%) or Defending Ring (8%) (or somewhere around those percentages). Square-Enix patched the NM to where it has a set percentage to either drop 1 item or the other back around when King Behemoth was introduced back in 2003 or 2004. They also patched King Behemoth to only drop the item at the percentage regardless if you held the pixie earring or not, making it impossible to be 100% drop if you had the pixie earring in inventory.

TH can increase the chance of there being a drop if it isn't 100%. Defending Ring slot already has 100% chance of a drop, just the item inside that drop slot has two possibilities. TH wouldn't increase the percentage of the rarer item.

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Originally Posted by Tidis

No, it doesn't. You will always either get a Pixie Earring or a Defending Ring, TH can't boost your chances.

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TH doesn't boost your chances of getting A drop. But that doesn't mean it can't increase your chances of a specific drop. It's quite possible that it's coded in someway that rolls for D ring then if not dropped gives pixie

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Originally Posted by dasva

TH doesn't boost your chances of getting A drop. But that doesn't mean it can't increase your chances of a specific drop. It's quite possible that it's coded in someway that rolls for D ring then if not dropped gives pixie

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Using my own dumb luck as an example I just can't see that being the case, I know plenty of people who got a dring without much hassle killing KB on non-THF jobs, while I a lot of the time am on THF, I don't stack TH but I hit it with TH8 anyway and have been using beastly/savory shanks every login campaign since they started without success. FFXIDB shows identical drop rates between TH2 and TH3+, whereas if TH affected it you'd see even a small percentage increase but they're both 4.9%.

Treasure Hunter will not boost your chance of getting a D Ring.

The "slot" in which Defending Ring can drop will ALWAYS "drop". It has an approximately 5% chance to be Defending Ring, 95% chance to be Pixie Earring. Treasure Hunter does not even come into the calculation, as that 'slot' is 100% every single time all the time guaranteed to 'drop'.

Treasure Hunter only affects things that do not have a 100% drop rate. Sometimes multiple items can be tied to the same "drop slot". In the case where two or more items occupy the same "slot", Treasure Hunter has no affect on which of those items in that "slot" will drop when the "slot" "drops". In this case, the "slot" in question will ALWAYS drop.

The sheer amount of misinformation and bad information about this game, especially at this point in its life, is staggering. Extensive testing has been done on all this. Visit ffxiclopedia or bgwiki and look up Treasure Hunter.

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Originally Posted by machini

The sheer amount of misinformation and bad information about this game, especially at this point in its life, is staggering. Extensive testing has been done on all this. Visit ffxiclopedia or bgwiki and look up Treasure Hunter.

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That's the point of this thread. Just because testing has been done in the past means next to nothing because FFXI isn't open source. SE can twiddle the drop rates and conditions all they want and you'd have to keep testing indefinitely to be absolutely sure. The point is to get SE to TALK TO THE FREAKING COMMUNITY. It's like pulling teeth, I swear.

(this doesn't even mention the disparity between the developer's intent and what actually gets implemented - which if you've been paying attention for years - isn't always the same thing! hell, there could be a bug they don't even know about because they don't care and don't pay attention. until the source code is open, i'm all for holding their feet to the fire to answer (in specifics!) every unknown that people are still curious about.)

All I know is if you solo with the earring in inventory nothing drops and doesn't matter if you have TH10+. I have solo'd it 6 times with earring and nothing. Granted I assume the no drop is because an erring would drop and I already have. So my dumb question is do you have to drop the earring after each fight in hopes of getting a chance at the ring?

The ring will drop with pixie in inventory tried both ways may as well keep it till ya get ring. 1/50 or so.

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Originally Posted by Enochroot

That's the point of this thread. Just because testing has been done in the past means next to nothing because FFXI isn't open source. SE can twiddle the drop rates and conditions all they want and you'd have to keep testing indefinitely to be absolutely sure. The point is to get SE to TALK TO THE FREAKING COMMUNITY. It's like pulling teeth, I swear.

(this doesn't even mention the disparity between the developer's intent and what actually gets implemented - which if you've been paying attention for years - isn't always the same thing! hell, there could be a bug they don't even know about because they don't care and don't pay attention. until the source code is open, i'm all for holding their feet to the fire to answer (in specifics!) every unknown that people are still curious about.)

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This is the correct mindset to have rather than falling back onto tired cliche player beliefs as an answer. One thing is certain about this kind of a drop system and KB - we have enough data on the DB site to state that at least TH3+(probably an average of TH8 to be honest) nets a 5% chance. The data is skewed because barely no one tries such kills without a THF job around. It's clear that the playerbase may preach the cliche but they certainly don't practice it because they ALWAYS have TH in effect for a KB kill, even when they got the pops from a NPC. The TH0 stat is high enough kill sample clocking in at 2% to warrant the question. Assuming it would eventually round out at 5% too would be a mistake. If the TH2 stat is good enough then the TH0 stat has to be, too. Both are lack luster in kill counts.

The thing is, it's long been accepted even before TH3 that Defending Ring has about a 5% chance to drop, and that holds true for other NMs and drops like it. That tells me that art the end of the day, TH2 and TH3+ makes for the same drop rate. At that point either TH2 is better than TH1 and TH1 is better than TH0 or TH doesn't matter, period. My money is on it doesn't matter, but I still would like some answers for some of the questions we've been asking for 13 years.

I wasn't going to bring this up because it's anecdotal, but the irony is that the only time I've ever personally seen a Defending Ring drop was without TH at all. PUP + RDM, in the good old pre-trust days. :)