Automaton damage

Really needs a boost in damage. Compared to Summoner and Beastmaster, our pet damage is extremely lackluster. Considering our automaton has to build TP and is based off the maneuvers used I think Automaton's need either a new WS, or an extreme boost in damage.

Should also implement the whole being able to set which ws the auto uses they were talking about a few months back. Given how much maneuvers effect dmg and/or survivability using them to change to a potentially better ws for the situation can often not really be an option.

A ja to force ws if they have tp would also help a lot since right now having them decide when to makes it hard to gear for it since it would basically mean either meleeing/idling in gear for the ws or wsing in gear more for meleeing/idling

Its not that pup pets are weak, its that compared to other pet jobs, they are weak. A pup + pet combined is more damage then a lot of jobs at the moment, the issue is there is always going to be those outlier jobs (bst at the moment, sam in the past) that gain incredible power due to one update, and become the band wagon job for a while.

Pup doesn't need a lot, i would settle for better gear that doesnt gimp the master while still giving the pet haste/acc/atk/da etc

Could just make it so the puppet can get enough haste/acc/atk/da from attachments, then the pup can focus on it's own gear. That's what I thought was cool about pup is that the puppet gets it's own set of equipment to wear.

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Originally Posted by Roja323

Its not that pup pets are weak, its that compared to other pet jobs, they are weak. A pup + pet combined is more damage then a lot of jobs at the moment, the issue is there is always going to be those outlier jobs (bst at the moment, sam in the past) that gain incredible power due to one update, and become the band wagon job for a while.

Pup doesn't need a lot, i would settle for better gear that doesnt gimp the master while still giving the pet haste/acc/atk/da etc

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Augmented Taeon with triple attack +2, acc/att, and pet haste +5 will cap your automaton's gearhaste and not gimp you.


PUP is very weak right now compared to pretty much all DDs. Because as it stands right now, not only is our pet weak. But, hand to hand is awful. That is why I think our Automatons need a significant boost to catch up with other pet jobs.

The issue is several fold over just increasing our pets DD.

H2h is weak
H2h weapon skills are weak
H2h weapon itemization is awful (why no OaT on our weapons)
Gear for pets makes us sacrifice something. (yes we can get haste, but our pets need haste/acc/atk/str/dex/ crit/DA etc, and any time we go for those stats, we give up master stats)
The overall developer mind set for where pup should be dd wise is mid/low range dd (we cant fix this, they see us as a utility DD since we can have a whm or rdm, which is pretty irrelevant now that we can use trusts pretty much anywhere, and they keep adding more places).

Just to give an example of poor itemization.

Pup with KKK + max magic haste, is over the cap of MA. For dual wield people, they say 'we want you to plan ahead when picking gear' as their reason for not wanting to fix dual wield so that over the cap DW wont lower tp gain. So how does a pup 'plan ahead' when KKK alone is putting us over the cap. Then they add a gift and JA category that put us even farther over the cap.

I know not everyone has KKK, but still, your solution is to not use my mythic in times where I TP with max haste because I am hurting my DD?

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Originally Posted by Roja323

Just to give an example of poor itemization.

Pup with KKK + max magic haste, is over the cap of MA. For dual wield people, they say 'we want you to plan ahead when picking gear' as their reason for not wanting to fix dual wield so that over the cap DW wont lower tp gain. So how does a pup 'plan ahead' when KKK alone is putting us over the cap. Then they add a gift and JA category that put us even farther over the cap.

I know not everyone has KKK, but still, your solution is to not use my mythic in times where I TP with max haste because I am hurting my DD?

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I see some of you complaining about pup getting max haste and with the new gifts and KKK we are over the cap but seriously no one is really using Pup in content with other players in high tier content. I use pup ALOT and when I am with with other players I rarely receive haste. My trusts haste me better. Pup is not a weak job. If you're meleeing with your auto and both of your Acc are appropriate for the content you are doing then pup with auto will be one of the top DD in that fight. I don't want the auto to be like BST. Acc cap and haste capped somehow without the gimping of the master will be great. And also maybe a new attachment that'll help the auto hold hate even better even when a BST pet goes nut on a mob. If we can get that then the master wouldn't even have to hold back and our DD would go up even more.

"I rarely get haste" is hardly a good argument for poor itemization. I am always at capped magic haste, either solo with trusts or in a CP party...and on top of that i will never get the MA jps and for now wil avoid the gift, but when they raise the jp cap, it will eventually become unavoidable.

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Originally Posted by Roja323

"I rarely get haste" is hardly a good argument for poor itemization. I am always at capped magic haste, either solo with trusts or in a CP party...and on top of that i will never get the MA jps and for now wil avoid the gift, but when they raise the jp cap, it will eventually become unavoidable.

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As I mentioned previously Cp parties and solo stuff is nothing. A lot of the Pups that post here don't seem to be doing anything with their pups except those two activities. This is why I don't post really because there is no real information with this job. Its just a lot of complaining. I'm lucky enough I guess to have friends that let me take pup to some events but I'm learning on the fly and one constant in every event I'm in is that I do not get haste on a consistent basis.

I'm also confused as to why are people complaining about a gift that puts you at the H2H cap without haste. If your ability is doing that then why get haste? Click it off? It's not something that you have to keep on. Its not needed. Also I'm sure no one really has the last JP gift anyways. What I would like to see is more beneficial strats and info on this job for high tier content with other players instead of spreadsheet data for stuff that no one has in game. Complaints about a spell that can be clicked off is so counterproductive.

I don't think accuracy is much of an issue as it stands right now. With Shiromochi and Target Maker our ACC is generally capped. Issue really is our damage, even with tension spring III etc we don't have as much attack as a BST pet. And our weaponskills do about 1/3 of a BST or SMN pet at best, while they do it on a timer, and we have wait for TP.

As for the whole JP/Gifts haste thing. It is pretty silly, why would you want to gimp yourself and take off haste? At least with other jobs you can change the amount of dual wield you're wearing in gear depending on how much haste you have. Where as with KKK there really isn't anything you can do about it. Unless you want to take off KKK? lol

Well with the new gifts dnc needs 1 dw, so really like no dw, and thf only needs 6 dw. Both of them tend to go over with gear they would have used anyway because it's best for store tp/triple attack. Ninja only ever needed 1 dw and their gear is overflowing with dw. Really the only dw job that can actually do that is blu, but they can't really swap what spells they have in the middle of a fight. Maybe they should just put the tp floor back in.

Since the MA from JP was brought up...

Some interesting delay numbers (unless I done goofed)~ The bard category can kind of be ignored. I had it in my head that they didn't provide magic haste for some reason. Also it's just assumed that the bard is providing +2 Victory March (in a lot of cases +2 puts you over cap while +1 does not). The interesting part of the Bard category is it shows how easily you can be pushed above the delay cap w/ Haste II and any other amount of haste. Tinh and Oat have the same delay, so just use the oat row for tinhs.

H2H Delay w/ assumed double JP Cap, Perfect JSE Cape, and Empy Legs
H2H Delay w/ 25 JP MA, 31 Equip MA
H2H Delay w/ 20 JP MA, 29 Equip MA (my PUPs bad gear)
H2H Delay w/ 25 JP MA, 0 Equip MA
H2H Delay w/ 20 JP MA, 0 Equip MA
H2H Delay w/ no MA

Something to note is that even if you go crazy with the JP MA, and assume it caps at 20 (rumor is they're doubling JP categories), wear Empy Legs, a perfect JSE cape, and KKK, Haste II doesn't put you over cap. Almost any other source of haste (like a 5% Haste Samba from /DNC) on top of the Haste II will.

Also KKK goes over the cap w/ Equip Haste (as far as I'm concerned this is unavoidable), and Magic Cap OR Haste II and +2 March, and no JP or EQ MA.

Sorry about the formatting, it was meant as a personal reference. Hopefully I got the math right.

Also, you wanted to hear my account of PUP in content it is pretty much

Vagary: Awful for the most part. Fomors is the only really melee friendly one, but your Automaton dies a lot due to a lot of aoe weaponskills. Slimes I pretty much just sat there and put my pet on the NMs. They do a lot of dots and aoe debuffs, so it is pretty bad. Eles, yeah no

Escha: This is where PUP would shine, if your Automaton did any dmg. Mostly all the NMs in this zone are nuking or pets. Your Automaton can tank the nms, and that is about it with a pet DT set and manuevers. If you want to bring your Automaton as a DD, you're pretty much a wasted spot

Delve 1/2: Too many Aoes once you get to the boss. Your automaton can live, but it will pretty much cost you DPS to keep it alive. Best pet is having it on whm or rdm out of range.

Skirmish: Does fine here. Only downside is in Yorcia Alluvion your Automaton will aggro the stronghold mobs if you run by with your automaton out

Heres the thing. If your not getting haste in any kind of end game or group event, then I am sorry, but it just shouldnt be happening. I have run delve a million times and i have never been like 'lets just not haste the dd'.

The reason everyone mentions solo/cp is because thats really all there is to do, vagary is aweful and un fun, and escha is 99% solo at the moment, then joining up for a boss fight.

To put it in perspective:
KKK + Gear haste = 42% haste or 178 MA to cap
KKK+ gear + magic haste = 19 MA over the cap
KKK (50) + jp/gifts (25 currently) + 20 (cape) = 37% haste/133 MA needed to cap
KKK (50) + jp/gifts (25 currently) + 20 (cape) +cap magic= 64 MA over the cap

Base 58 tp a hit
Just by being hasted, i lose 1 tp/hit= 57 tp/hit
With gifts/jp/other ma gear i go down to = 53 tp/hit
If they up the cap on jp MA to -40, thats 51 tp/hit

This issue is a lot of jobs can avoid some DW, but with KKK alone we are already over the cap, and when you add in jp/gifts, we are even farther over.

My whole point was that H2h suffers from poor itemization, and the mythic weapon is the perfect example. Our 'best' weapon in the game is inferior to other weapons because of sub par dmg, and actually putting us over the cap for MA with no other gear.

The idea of gearing for assuming you are buffless, in a day and age where you can always have haste 2 and bard haste is just silly.


I am not arguing other peoples comments about our pets dieing to easy/melee being useless in a lot of events. All those are true.

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Also, you wanted to hear my account of PUP in content it is pretty much

Vagary: Awful for the most part. Fomors is the only really melee friendly one, but your Automaton dies a lot due to a lot of aoe weaponskills. Slimes I pretty much just sat there and put my pet on the NMs. They do a lot of dots and aoe debuffs, so it is pretty bad. Eles, yeah no

Escha: This is where PUP would shine, if your Automaton did any dmg. Mostly all the NMs in this zone are nuking or pets. Your Automaton can tank the nms, and that is about it with a pet DT set and manuevers. If you want to bring your Automaton as a DD, you're pretty much a wasted spot

Delve 1/2: Too many Aoes once you get to the boss. Your automaton can live, but it will pretty much cost you DPS to keep it alive. Best pet is having it on whm or rdm out of range.

Skirmish: Does fine here. Only downside is in Yorcia Alluvion your Automaton will aggro the stronghold mobs if you run by with your automaton out

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Vagary: I've never been able to take my pup there. I have done them all on another job but I can see the auto tanking and holding some of the mobs off of the group. I have been there and have seen some events go south once the tank goes down and no one else could keep the hate of some of the mobs off the mages.

Escha: I've done this with pup a lot. Some NM's you can use DD and some you can use your tank. My gear is pretty good and my auto doesn't have Acc issues. So if a player can melee dd then so can I and my auto so saying its a wasted spot is completely untrue.

Delve: I have also done with pup multiple times. The tank auto does best here. Many Aoe and silly status ailments make meleeing a pain but the auto can stay there and dd and tank the bosses. I personally do not have KKK but from doing Delve and Escha the way I do, I've started working on it. I need a way to not overload for a long period of time because I use light maneuvers a lot.

Previously, I mentioned that the development team was looking into a way to lock a weapon skill that an automaton would use; however, our plans to implement this have changed.

One portion of the concept for automatons is how they act independently, and as such we have no plans to make adjustments in a way which would allow you to control when and which weapon skills they execute.

Rest assured that we'll be making further adjustments as we move forward by both tuning automatons and adding new attachments.

I know this is off the thread topic but an attachment that would help the auto hold hate like gesso trust or that RUN trust (can't remember his name at the moment). Presently even with both strobe attachments equipped I can still rip hate away after a short time. Better hate holding would lead to me not holding back. That would also help in group play if there is no tank or if the tank dies. We could fill that role.

As long as future adjustments arent as bad as that awful amplifier.... Thing doesnt even work. In fact most of the last round of attachments were pretty worthless.

Seriously, I got more out of the ranged penalty removal from drum magazine. repeater seemed like the only real good attachment we got.

How about some serious magic damage + attachments, and one that makes auto spam nukes, but lower tier? (but will use higher tier nukes for magic bursts if it's possible for it to predict it.)

And please, let us have equipment that gives massive gains to the automaton, at a cost to master output, similar to how bst plays now. our flexibility is our strongest point, yet all our best gear is for the master, making us just a monk with a weak pet. while there's nothing wrong with that, it would be nice to switch things up as the situation calls for by letting us seriously pimp out our nuke bot, our healing bot, and our melee/ranged bots.

Even then, repeater isn't worth using over drum magazine + tubo charger 1 + turbo charger 2.

Repeater would have to have double its current 'chance to double shot' for it to just break even with drum magazine.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Previously, I mentioned that the development team was looking into a way to lock a weapon skill that an automaton would use; however, our plans to implement this have changed.

One portion of the concept for automatons is how they act independently, and as such we have no plans to make adjustments in a way which would allow you to control when and which weapon skills they execute.

Rest assured that we'll be making further adjustments as we move forward by both tuning automatons and adding new attachments.

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What a shame because the ws idea was pretty good. Also pups already can control which ws is used... the problem is it requires using maneuvers possibly ones that you wouldn't want to use otherwise in that situation. As such whatever adjustments you make with attachments will always be hampered by the possibility of players not really being able to take full advantage of those attachments

I never really wanted the weapon skill changed. I use inhibitors a lot so my auto is always using his Ws and because he uses it to create skillchains with either me or trusts or another player I never had a problem with it. I love love love what they are doing to the automaton in the June update. This will actually free up me using so many light maneuvers and will allow me to use Cannibal Blade to help my tank tank even more effectively. SS will be able to withstand even more damage now as well. Good adjustment.

Like the fact they're giving the Automatons more hp. But still, the WS dmg from them is awful compared to other pet jobs. /repeat

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I never really wanted the weapon skill changed. I use inhibitors a lot so my auto is always using his Ws and because he uses it to create skillchains with either me or trusts or another player I never had a problem with it. I love love love what they are doing to the automaton in the June update. This will actually free up me using so many light maneuvers and will allow me to use Cannibal Blade to help my tank tank even more effectively. SS will be able to withstand even more damage now as well. Good adjustment.

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Yeah it just kind of sucked in certain circumstances like wanting to make a tank build that would use Cannibal blade without having to use dark maneuvers which don't really help in tanking

I have no dog in the fight honestly because Pup is one of the few jobs I'm not really interested in playing but, I hate this justification, they use it all the time and it is completely nonsensical,

"The concept of the _____ is that they _____ so we will not be adjusting _____ to make them _____."

The devs (and/or translation team) really need to get it through their heads that just because something was intended a certain way, doesn't have to overshadow any changes that would make the end design more successful or enjoyable to the playerbase. Ninja wasn't designed as a tank (as I'm sure has been mentioned) but embracing that made them usable and enjoyable for the population, and there are a ton of examples of such. Rdm was designed with meleeing in mind, but that's been the exception not the rule, for many many years.

A potential change "not matching the designers' original intent" is not a reason to deny something, please, give us real reasoning (if there is any), so we can have an actual debate on such topics, for example:

"We believe this change would be too powerful because of _____."
"The technical aspects of this change would be too difficult."
"With the amount of work that would be put into _____, we believe we could improve other areas more."
"We are afraid this might negatively impact another job or situation because of _____."

Jobs change over time, their identities even change, Ninja was not designed as a Tank, Beastmaster was designed as a soloist, Redmage was designed to melee, heck the entire game was designed around the concept of the "exp party", which isn't the core of XI anymore, it's now the endgame, and it has been for quite some time, saying you're not going to make a change because that wasn't the original intent seems silly, considering how many changes that have been made in the past that completely changed how things worked.

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Originally Posted by Selindrile

"The concept of the _____ is that they _____ so we will not be adjusting _____ to make them _____."

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Agree 100%, was beast originally intended to be the most sought after group class with pet moves that deal 30k every 10 seconds? Didn't think so. But it is now, and people love having options besides SAM. Don't see why its so game breaking to even just add more control/better weapon skills for pets, when bests get new pets every patch with 4x the hp, and 10x the damage.

Master to Master, pup compares very evenly to beast, so why cant our pets damage/survivability compare evenly?

Hey it's more like 2-3x the hp! Well auto survivability is actually a bit higher... but as you said the dmg is way different. heck that 10X actually might be an underestimate. And if you gear/attach/maneuver for survivability you have the dps of a carbuncle that only auto attacks

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Originally Posted by dasva

Hey it's more like 2-3x the hp! Well auto survivability is actually a bit higher... but as you said the dmg is way different. heck that 10X actually might be an underestimate. And if you gear/attach/maneuver for survivability you have the dps of a carbuncle that only auto attacks

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True, the only advantage to pup at the moment is we can cap spell haste AND gear haste on our pet.

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Originally Posted by Roja323

Agree 100%, was beast originally intended to be the most sought after group class with pet moves that deal 30k every 10 seconds? Didn't think so. But it is now, and people love having options besides SAM. Don't see why its so game breaking to even just add more control/better weapon skills for pets, when bests get new pets every patch with 4x the hp, and 10x the damage.

Master to Master, pup compares very evenly to beast, so why cant our pets damage/survivability compare evenly?

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while I understand your point I already know the answer is pup's greater versatility. unless a beast is using a charmed pet we basically have a choice of melee damage or melee damage from our pet. a pup has ACCESS to (not that many use it) melee, ranged, nuking, (de)buffing or dedicated healer, so like rdm, the trade-off is we do less than a job dedicated to 1 thing. of course, as has been pointed out, if you go "balls-to-the-wall" on the ultimate gear sets you can improve those numbers quite a bit-funny, you can say the same thing about EVERY job, hell you could make a summoner that was a respectable melee if you tried hard enough, but the 7 second life expectancy might be a bit underwhelming...

now, I LOVE playing my pup, almost as much as my beast but the lackluster numbers do give me pause. mostly these days I use it in parties as Soulsoother to take some of the healing (and thus MP) load off the main healer, or Stormwalker so the healer can ignore me and we have another dispeller in the party neither of which can ever run out of MP-thank you mana converter (all assuming they don't force me to come brd). not the chosen way for most pups to play but it does have utility, biggest problem is with auto MACC you get that issue where it won't even try to cast endgame, which is why Soulsoother gets the nod. but with DPS being the primary determinant on what gets a party slot I pretty much am restricted to running with LS mates only playing that way.

Even with the new attachments our weaponskill damage is significantly lower than BST and SMN. Considering PUP has to get TP before it can weaponskill is there any plans to change this? Also, with Divinator II would it be possible to increase ranged attack speed on the ranger Automaton frame since it will stay out of range

Its been a very long time since i have played on my BST or watched other people, what sort of Sic/Rdy DMG are we looking at now? and are they able to skill chain with pets and vice-versa now?

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Originally Posted by Roja323

pet moves that deal 30k every 10 seconds

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This is such a gross inflation of the truth. NO ONE is doing 30k moves every 10s....not in any ilvl content.

With max buffs they can, it depends on the NM. PUP is miles behind BST in dmg and SMN as well.

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With max buffs they can

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Not just with buffs, but with MAX buffs(whatever that means). Thats not just a bst by itself. That is a bst+geo or cor or rdm or w/e 'debuffing' as well as buffs. Also I'm pretty sure only cor can really provide any pet buffs and that isn't a lot. So i doubt that with just buffs 30k/10s is happening. I'd like to see a screenshot w/ a timestamp of 30k every 10s.

That is a lot of factors going into such a statement. Then to use such an inflated truth to get pup adjusted is wrong.

Please when debating a topic don't bring in unspoken or implied factors. Thats like a kid on the playground being like "No you didn't get me cause I have shields"

I wish people wouldn't hate on other pet jobs because one isn't the other. A SMN can also do a lot of defensive/buff stuff that a BST or PUP or DRG can't (BP Wards, Favor) You are comparing three jobs that very different and trying to fit them all in the same hole just because they use pets. Then trying to say they should be the same or on par. Well where are all the BST defensive/pt buff rdy moves? Make jugs use mp and give bst an mp pool.

I play both all these jobs w/ the exception of DRG and I love them all and I would never put one down to try and further the other.

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This is such a gross inflation of the truth. NO ONE is doing 30k moves every 10s....not in any ilvl content.

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Besides the fact you quoted a 2 month old statement....

Heres the thing, you have forums where people claim thats what they can do (epeen) and then actual game play where they show what they can actually do. I dont play bst, so best i can do is from reddit/bg/ffxiah forums of what people claim is possible with bst.

Falkirk has huge parses on ffxiah you can check outof various moves against lvl 0 targets where you are definitely capping pdif and fstr etc. And the highest dmgs even at 3k tp for single charge moves was 19k for single hit or 21k for some of the multi hit if all the hits land well.

So those 30k dmgs are clearly coming from multiple charge moves (so not every 10 seconds) or mobs with dmg weaknesses in which case anyone can do a bunch.

And even then the couple of 2-3 charge moves that go up to 30k still require massive +att buff/-def debuffing to happen. For example on just normal cp mobs in sky which are like ep/dc using tiger for it's massive innate attack boost and /cor beast roll and full jps at effective 2100 tp my Razor Fangs do around 6-9k when capped pdif Razor Fangs at that tp should average ~17k. So you can imagine how much harder it is to cap pdif against actually hard targets

Speaking of pup dmg though there was a jp dev statement that explains the stats of the ws and how flameholder works which looks somewhat promising

Greetings,

On the topic of automaton damage, I think you will be interested to hear about how the Flame Holder attachment works and see some data on the stats for various automaton weapon skills.

• Flame Holder
  This attachment currently gives a similar effect to “Damage varies with TP” and the effect value varies depending on the amount of fire maneuvers you have, which is shown below.
  
  • No fire maneuvers: damage +25%
    *Currently there is a bug and no damage bonus is given when you do not have any fire maneuvers. This will be fixed in the September version update. Also with this change, the effect of the Flame Holder attachment will stack additional damage onto the damage from Magic Mortar that is calculated from the automaton’s missing HP.
    
  • 1 fire maneuver: damage +100%
  • 2 fire maneuvers: damage +175%
  • 3 fire maneuvers: damage +250%

Now then, onto the weapon skill data…

• Chimera Ripper
  Base stat: Damage +500%, Accuracy +100
  Modifier stat: STR50%
  TP1000: Damage±0%
  TP2000: Damage＋250%
  TP3000: Damage＋500%

• String Clipper
  Base stat: Twofold attack, Damage＋250%, Attack +25%
  Modifier stat: STR30%, DEX30%
  TP1000: Accuracy±0
  TP2000: Accuracy +50
  TP3000: Accuracy +100

• Arcuballista
  Base stat: Damage＋600%, Accuracy＋100
  Modifier stat: DEX60%
  TP1000: Damage±0%
  TP2000: Damage＋300%
  TP3000: Damage＋600%

• Slapstick
  Base stat: Threefold attack, Damage +166%
  Modifier stat: STR30%, DEX30%
  TP1000: Accuracy ±0
  TP2000: Accuracy +40
  TP3000: Accuracy +80

• Bone Crusher
  Base stat: Threefold attack, Damage +166%, Additional effect: Stun, Against undead: Damage +100%
  Modifier stat: VIT60%
  TP1000: no effect
  TP2000: no effect
  TP3000: no effect

• Armor Piercer
  Base stat: Damage +300%, Accuracy＋100, Defense ignored -50%
  Modifier stat: DEX60%
  TP1000: Damage±0%
  TP2000: Damage＋150%
  TP3000: Damage＋300%

• Magic Mortar
  Base stat: Damage varies depending on automaton’s remaining HP
  Modifier stat: none
  TP1000: Damage＋50%
  TP2000: Damage＋75%
  TP3000: Damage＋150%

• String Shredder
  Base stat: Threefold attack, Damage +50%, Accuracy +10, Attack +36%
  Modifier stat: VIT50%
  TP1000: Critical +20%
  TP2000: Critical +40%
  TP3000: Critical +70%

• Armor Shatterer
  Base stat: Damage +500%, Accuracy +50, Additional effect: reduced defense -15% (90 seconds), Attack +125%
  Modifier stat: DEX50%
  TP1000: Extended effect duration for additional effect±0%
  TP2000: Extended effect duration for additional effect＋33%
  TP3000: Extended effect duration for additional effect＋66%

• Cannibal Blade
  Base stat: Damage +1500% (*)
  Modifier stat: MND100%
  TP1000: Damage±0%
  TP2000: Damage＋750%
  TP3000: Damage＋1500%
  *Base damage varies depending on melee skill.

• Daze
  Base stat: Damage＋500%, Accuracy＋150, Additional effect: Stun
  Modifier stat: DEX100%
  TP1000: Damage±0%
  TP2000: Damage＋250%
  TP3000: Damage＋500%

• Knockout
  Base stat: Damage +500%, Accuracy +50, Additional effect: reduced evasion -10% (30 seconds)
  Modifier stat: AGI100%
  TP1000: Damage±0%
  TP2000: Damage＋250%
  TP3000: Damage＋500%

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Base stat: Damage +500%, Accuracy +50, Additional effect: reduced evasion -10% (30 seconds)

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I'm jealous - bst got our % based evasion reduction nerfed away :(

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Originally Posted by larrymc

I'm jealous - bst got our % based evasion reduction nerfed away :(

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How many PUPs do you see vs. BST? Not to mention BST has 100% control over Ready which doesn't require TP to use.