wisteria lumber price dropped

ok SE, WTF! so instead of enforcing the user agreement and TOS, you go off and screw the whole game? i know a lot of players, both new and experienced, farmed wisteria lumber for spare gil. for a lot of players that havent gotten to where they can get their hands on high priced items for the AH, that is one of the easiest and best ways to farm gil. now, instead of the lumber being 6k+ per lumber, its now 1325, or 15,900 per stack of 12. heres an idea i bet you and the so called "special task force" probably never even considered. how about actually banning botters as they are caught, instead of screwing up the gameplay for everybody worse than the bots ever did? did yall think of that? botters are easy to spot, and i know for a fact that ppl will report them. botting is a clear violation of the "no 3rd party software" rule. find em, ban em, rinse lather repeat. yall cant be stupid, yall came up with this awesome game. the only logical conclusion that can be had is that SE supports paying botters more than enforcing their own rules. who cares what they do as long as the botters pay. if that werent true, they would be taking better steps to stop the cheating, instead of nerfing the GMs and turning a blind eye and making all of vanadiel pay the botters price. somebody, i dare you to tell me im wrong.

TBH, you should have seen it coming. When people used the Blinkers to make so much gil, it got nerfed. It was only a matter of time before this happened too. :/

i did see it coming, was just hoping that SE would actually step up for once. guess i was just asking too much of them by hoping they would actually enforce their own rules instead of screw over all the players . such is life.

Sadly this is how they've almost always handled bots. I'm surprised there's anything of value left to farm.

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Originally Posted by jbtexan

ok SE, WTF! so instead of enforcing the user agreement and TOS, you go off and screw the whole game? i know a lot of players, both new and experienced, farmed wisteria lumber for spare gil. for a lot of players that havent gotten to where they can get their hands on high priced items for the AH, that is one of the easiest and best ways to farm gil.

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I can't imagine that was as easy of a farm as you make it. From going up there trying to snag Great Boyahda Moss, it was so packed with bots that I can't imagine someone effectively farming gil there. Not that they even really even could without the bots. There's many other things, even just farming sparks, that would net far more.

i have farmed there myself and with a good thf i have made about 500k just for a couple hours work. its actually comparable to spark farming but to cap sparks it takes a bit longer. all in all the amount of gil/time spent is about the same.

I am almost positive the change was made so people didnt farm those mobs. Cause bots would most likely NPC any great moss (or toss them), and if bots are claiming all the gobbues then people who need the moss for mob rearing in the gardens cant get a hold of them. Before the update the moss was only available from a once a day NM. Remember when they killed the price of blood items (from bats) in the sanctuary, because the blood items were used for bst pets or something, but everyone was npcing them so people couldnt make the synth recipes.

Easy to get burned out on, but farming Dynamis (couple hours) and SalvageII nets a lot higher gil/hour. Doesn't help with the current topic, but if you were spending the time farming in the Tree, maybe you can transfer that time to Dynamis or Salvage instead. Can easily farm like 3mil worth of stuff doing both of those, per day, in just a few hours.

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Originally Posted by Ethereal

Easy to get burned out on, but farming Dynamis (couple hours) and SalvageII nets a lot higher gil/hour. Doesn't help with the current topic, but if you were spending the time farming in the Tree, maybe you can transfer that time to Dynamis or Salvage instead. Can easily farm like 3mil worth of stuff doing both of those, per day, in just a few hours.

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The game needs ways to earn decent gil outside of those activities though, can't just stuff everyone who wants gil into Dyna/Salvage or will be crashing the servers and fighting for spawns again. And flooding the market won't end well.

It's not just straight ways to earn gil, Dynamis and Salvage is the shuffling around of existing gil. SE focuses on controlling the amount of new gil pumped into the system from NPCs.

Bummer. Reminds me of when they dropped the NPC value on the bat drops from Sanctuary. Oh well, life goes on.

Inb4 OP is a mad botter.

Well I think it is a good thing they have lowered the shop price on wisteria lumber.

For one thing, it is wrong that only one group of mobs in the whole world routinely drops 6k+ gil shop-price items, that just means that anyone wanting to obtain gil from npcing items will flock to kill that one single group of mobs in that one small area. Either SE needed to add a lot more 6k+ gil drops from common EP enemies around Vanadiel, or lower the value of drops from that one small group of mobs, to balance things out.

Wisteria lumber prices were tied to the 2004~ game mechanics, when soloing those mobs required BST/whm and charming flies or korrigans. Even an experienced BST could die from those goobs, uppercut etc. and the status ailments from those mobs attacks could cause problems for BST, or any other job that was trying to solo the mobs. So the 6k price tag came with a certain danger element and risk factor, the mobs took a fair while to kill and would sometimes kill the player. As a sign of how hard it was to kill these mobs on BST at a decent speed, as soon as the "sub charm" update arrived, a lot of BST started farming those mobs on WHM/BST so they could have a decent mp pool and higher tier cures, something that was missing on Bst/whm and would often lead to death in that camp.

You did see RMT thieves up there back in those days, but they would often die and require WHM support. Those mobs were a favourite xp camp for BST and we would watch the RMT trying to solo the mobs and dying all the time. It was an aspirational camp that BST looked forward to reaching, you played BST in lots of other camps during 1-72~ and then finally you got to charm korrigans and get gil payouts while you xp'd.

So really it was a 6k gil reward item for soloing tough mobs in the old era. And maybe they should have changed the wisteria price in 2010 when we became level 99. Or alternatively make other normal mobs in other areas drops shop price 6k+ items. The only reason that wisteria system worked in the beginning was that you needed to have a certain death-wish to fight the mobs, and so the reward was scaled to the risk.

What makes you think they didn't ban people too? There have been a lot of bans going around lately for "botting". I use the quotation marks because everything I've read shows that there was never any confirmation of botting just seemed like people who farmed a lot and got reported got hit without so much as a check to see if they were afk

Why not just farm dynamis, salvage, voidwatch etc like everyone else? It's not like it's hard anymore.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Why not just farm dynamis, salvage, voidwatch etc like everyone else? It's not like it's hard anymore.

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I for one farm stuff like this when I don't have the ability to give the game my full undivided attention for 2 hours straight. I can sit on the sofa with my laptop and casually kill stuff while my girl watches whatever reality garbage is on TV and still be able to get up and take my dogs out or get her a drink etc. without losing all my money for the day. You can't just get up in the middle of timed events. Besides, prices on that event stuff are kinda slowly going down the pooper as more people finish weapons / gear and new better weapons / gear from other events come out. NPC prices are a constant (until SE randomly nerfs them).

Then there are those people who just suck at / hate those events. People with sporadic play times / skills have to be able to make money too.

If this was done with the intention of keeping people from NPcing all the drops, they could have just given the monsters some other NPCable drop to compensate for the price drop on the current items. I think this is entirely about botting /RMT. Which is sad because it doesn't get rid of the Bots and RMTs. It just forces them into other events and further lessens the available means for everyone to make money.

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I for one farm stuff like this when I don't have the ability to give the game my full undivided attention for 2 hours straight.

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Salvage only takes like 40 minutes when you're used to doing it. Voidwatch you can do as many or as few as you want.

It's nice to be able to do convert your effort into gil without having to rely on other players every time, although I think spark farming is better than this and you can get bonuses beyond money.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Besides, prices on that event stuff are kinda slowly going down the pooper as more people finish weapons / gear and new better weapons / gear from other events come out. NPC prices are a constant (until SE randomly nerfs them).

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Yeah but what do people need gil for other than buying those things from players? Not like there are people hurting to pay the 500 gp teleport crystal fee. The price of those going down just means that people need less money to buy them.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Salvage only takes like 40 minutes when you're used to doing it. Voidwatch you can do as many or as few as you want.

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Just to be clear, I'm playing devil's advocate here. I don't have any problems making money ATM, but I remember what it was like back when I had to farm buggard parts to make money on the days between LS events.

The real point is that these changes have no upside. Only a downside. If this had any positive affect, we could ponder whether or not the pros out weigh the cons, but the RMTs don't just quit the game when they change an NPC price. They just go exploit something else. It doesn't really matter if it's just a minor inconvenience to real players. It's an inconvenience none the less and with no real purpose. They might as well remove all the home points or Change all the character models to look like police. It would have about the same affect. It doesn't do anything but lower the quality of life. It doesn't solve any real problems.

Also consider this... where does the money that people are paying for the alex you farmed come from? Other players and so on so forth but between taxes and fees that amount of gil goes down if it's just changing hands. So without npcing stuff we'd naturally have enough deflation to make npcing more worthwhile

I think there are enough people converting Sparks to gil to counter the money sinks.

Not to mention all the junk I npc from my mog garden. There are plenty of ways to step over the tiny gil sinks that the game has.

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Originally Posted by detlef

I think there are enough people converting Sparks to gil to counter the money sinks.

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True but that is still a form of npcing stuff that you go out and farm. My statement was more of a counter to the whole just farm content instead of things to npc. Npcing things can be a good thing in moderation when not heavily abused and completely disproportionate like was the case here

The *only* reason people did this was because it could be botted otherwise they'd do something with a higher ratio of time vs gil such as soloing Salvage II.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

The *only* reason people did this was because it could be botted otherwise they'd do something with a higher ratio of time vs gil such as soloing Salvage II.

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Well, That and the fact that they need something to do for the other 23.5 hours of the day that are left over after they solo salvage...

i refer to an earlier post. SE just doesnt have the cajones to enforce their own policies anymore. there are so many bots on odin server alone that the STF should be fired on the spot. this isnt about farming and npc prices so much as SE doing (or not doing) the right thing. what they should do is start booting botters. as i have said before they are easy to spot. what bugs me is there is almost no effort to do ANYTHING about those bots without hurting legitimate players. it seems that SE has gotten caught in a downward spiral and they need to pull out of it. make the STF actually earn their paycheck for once. give the GMs back the power to ban obvious cheaters. in short, stop being stupid and pop your heads outta your rears and actually do the right thing.

So you intentionally chose one of the least effective ways of farming gil, and now you're pitching a fit because it won't work any more? I think you run a bot and are upset that it isn't profitable any more. No sane human player doing this for fun would think farming Wisteria Lumber was an effective way to make gil.

It's easy to spot someone that looks like a bot. But that's profiling and there's a reason that isn't normally done

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

So you intentionally chose one of the least effective ways of farming gil, and now you're pitching a fit because it won't work any more? I think you run a bot and are upset that it isn't profitable any more. No sane human player doing this for fun would think farming Wisteria Lumber was an effective way to make gil.

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Farming CP/JP is the exact same thing and people are telling me that I'm insane for not loving it. Something about glass houses comes to mind...

i dont run a bot seeing as how im on xbox, not pc, but at this point i almost wish i did. SE caters to bots these days from the looks of it.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

So you intentionally chose one of the least effective ways of farming gil, and now you're pitching a fit because it won't work any more? I think you run a bot and are upset that it isn't profitable any more. No sane human player doing this for fun would think farming Wisteria Lumber was an effective way to make gil.

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I used to enjoy it back as a 75BST. Was a lot of fun, and a nice way to make merits and gil at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Meyi

I used to enjoy it back as a 75BST. Was a lot of fun, and a nice way to make merits and gil at the same time.

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It sucks for XP now though, so is the gil substantial enough on its own to make it worthwhile for a legitimate player?