Could we please eliminate the "Unity Communique" Eminence objective?

I'm getting really tired of the spam filling the Unity chat log from dozens of people doing this every day.

At the very least, if it is programatically easier, simply make it non-repeatable.

NO ! let it on plz XD

Nothing wrong with it.

Not Unity , it is Server.

What do you mean "it is server".

It's very clearly the objective itself. You're enticing people to say things for no reason other than the sake of saying them.

i mean, my unity doesn't do 1 and 2 or w/e

we actually say on 1st chat
"hey guys"
2nd chat:
"how is everyone"

Some say some funny stuff too XD

but after 2 chats we keep talking too , we don't just say 2 /random BULLSHIT and go sielnt XD

But again, we got like 3~4 FULL LS in there (Including TOP LS in Server XD)

So we all get along and stuff, It is like having a huge ass LS (I Love it)

Anyways, I heard alot of servers don't do that or ppl don't get along well, you should try making a mule in Bismarck and joining MAAT Unity ^^/

People will still use Unity chat, all the objective accomplishes is forcing people to say something pointless.

Yeah what Tidis said. We get some good conversation in our Unity (Naja Unity on Carbuncle). I'm particularly fond of a player (I believe Japanese) named Cammyneco who makes some rather humorous keyboard drawings. But that's maybe 20% of it. A good 80% is just people saying 1.... 2.... or some other random junk to fulfill the objective. This behavior is annoying and should not be incentivized.

People who are going to talk, are going to talk, people who aren't going to talk, aren't going to talk. If you offer someone who isn't going to talk a cookie for talking, they'll make a very, very vain attempt to say whatever meets the lowest possible requirement to get that cookie, and nothing more. The person who already talks will get that same cookie, but they'll be no more or less productive in conversation than before. This objective does nothing but make Unity and it's chat feature a clusterfuck of people who don't want to talk, but talk anyways to get their 500 XP/100 Accolades, aka, their cookie.

Actually i agree w/ zarchery here. Alot of ppl just abuse the objective and not even use it otherwise on our server like its suppose to be intended. I like having a second source of a chat, but not when ppl do:

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<2 secs later>
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(Auto-Translate) Hello!
<2 secs later>
(Auto-Translate) Good Bye!

...and then not talk again...

If they arent gonna talk and spam this daily, then why should they get rewarded for 2 lines of spam? Unity Communique RoE objective should be removed. People should be using Unity Chat like its suppose to be intended for:

1): to get to know more people and make friends outside a linkshell source
2): to help others when needed outside a linkshell source or when you're not in town to see /yell or /shout for help

Hehe some do this: .
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I didn't even know what they were doing until I found out about the objective. Very corny.

I have yet to meet any English-speakers in the Unity during my playtime, so I don't even know how to join the conversations.

It may just be the character for the group you joined happens to be popular among non-English speakers. Try doing a /yell and asking what others on your server recommend for English players and changing to that group. :)

Ah, good point. I joined Jakoh.

{it's not my cup of tea but heres the idea}~>they could have a unity chat language filter feature that allows you to only see and speak only to english unity speaking text players and same for the japanese side of the unity chat. there is also a unity turn off feature under the status bar in which i'm positive it's already been mentioned in this thread.

Well I guess may only complaint about the unity chat is the unity eminence chat quest-mission of speaking two different times into the unity group members over using 2 numbers of 1-{see it in U-chat} then 2-{same again} and be done with objective completed without much effort being put in to actually chatting to the unity group. my eyes bleeding announces for weeks of folks just typing 1, 2, it's like children in preschool scrawling on piece of paper of them learning about their first 2 math numbers and I think there should be more details filled in for completing the objective by stating it as chat with a whole sentence, a question, or a greeting with a sentence to meet the group into the unity group should be done for a true fix to the objective.

This objective serves to motivate players to talk in Unity chat. While it only requires you to chat just twice, we are looking into changing this to just one time, since we feel that would be enough. The amount of points you can receive from this objective has been set relatively low, and with more ways to obtain unity accolades in the future, we didn't want to make anyone feel like they were losing out if they couldn't accomplish this every day. Since this is still a very new system, we do not have any plans at the moment to eliminate this.

Reducing it to 1 could potentially work as that 1 thing can simply be {Hello!}, that in itself is a lot more natural than 1 2 or w/e.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

This objective serves to motivate players to talk in Unity chat. While it only requires you to chat just twice, we are looking into changing this to just one time, since we feel that would be enough. The amount of points you can receive from this objective has been set relatively low, and with more ways to obtain unity accolades in the future, we didn't want to make anyone feel like they were losing out if they couldn't accomplish this every day. Since this is still a very new system, we do not have any plans at the moment to eliminate this.

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ok so basically....i'm pretty much just gonna have to turn the unity chat off since SE isnt gonna solve the spam issue. i rather not be a part of it. sorry but all the "1,2, and nothing more said" just motivates me to just be more annoyed w/ the players that spam and not use it for its real purpose.

The unity I'm in is more like a bunch of computers talking to each other.

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All day long...

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

This objective serves to motivate players to talk in Unity chat.

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A noble goal, I suppose, but it is not doing that. It is encouraging people to spam the chat log instead of actually talking.

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Originally Posted by Ladynamine

ok so basically....i'm pretty much just gonna have to turn the unity chat off since SE isnt gonna solve the spam issue. i rather not be a part of it. sorry but all the "1,2, and nothing more said" just motivates me to just be more annoyed w/ the players that spam and not use it for its real purpose.

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Yes. This objective is actually having the OPPOSITE of the intended effect. The Unity chat will be nothing but people vomiting all over it for their points, because all the people who might have wanted to use it as a chat channel will have filtered it out.

You can always turn off Unity Chat. People are always looking for ways to somehow complain.

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Originally Posted by Numquam

You can always turn off Unity Chat. People are always looking for ways to somehow complain.

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I'd rather Unity Chat be a useful tool than a nuisance I have to turn off.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

I'd rather Unity Chat be a useful tool than a nuisance I have to turn off.

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Exactly! It's remarkable how many people don't get our point of view with Unity, we WANT to use it but in it's current state all it is most of the time is a load of spam, it has the potential to be a very useful source of communication.

Plus the channel often is completely full of people doing stuff like that and then not turning it off afk so you can't get in when you actually need/want to talk or organize a wanted fight. As such usually you see them in shouts still

And it's not like accolades are hard to get. I've been capped for awhile just doing content because almost all RoE gives some and I haven't had time to do wanted and there is really nothing else to spend them on

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

This objective serves to motivate players to talk in Unity chat. While it only requires you to chat just twice, we are looking into changing this to just one time, since we feel that would be enough. The amount of points you can receive from this objective has been set relatively low, and with more ways to obtain unity accolades in the future, we didn't want to make anyone feel like they were losing out if they couldn't accomplish this every day. Since this is still a very new system, we do not have any plans at the moment to eliminate this.

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Originally Posted by Ladynamine

ok so basically....i'm pretty much just gonna have to turn the unity chat off since SE isnt gonna solve the spam issue. i rather not be a part of it. sorry but all the "1,2, and nothing more said" just motivates me to just be more annoyed w/ the players that spam and not use it for its real purpose.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Yes. This objective is actually having the OPPOSITE of the intended effect. The Unity chat will be nothing but people vomiting all over it for their points, because all the people who might have wanted to use it as a chat channel will have filtered it out.

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See Square-Enix...this is EXACTLY what i'm talking about. (Ty zarchery for agreeing w/ me ;3 ) ...If you are intending to motivate players to use the chat system, the Records of Eminence objective wasn't really necessary to have. People WOULD HAVE used it for its intended purpose w/o the objective. But no, the majority of people HAVE NO INTENTION OF EVER USING IT for its purpose and just use it just to leech and spam the chat for free experience points and free accolades and nothing else. For everyone else who does use Unity chat for its purpose, good job and i praise you for using it for its actual intention. But if Square-Enix's intention is to motivate players to use it, then just let people use it w/o the objective so there wont be any more spam.

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Originally Posted by dasva

And it's not like accolades are hard to get. I've been capped for awhile just doing content because almost all RoE gives some and I haven't had time to do wanted and there is really nothing else to spend them on

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I grab a Special Gobbiedial Key and try my luck with that whenever I get capped.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

I grab a Special Gobbiedial Key and try my luck with that whenever I get capped.

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I've bought around 15 keys with accolades so far. I got junk on all 15 keys lol.

But what made me laugh was that one day I got an "onion" with my 15,000 Unity accolades key, and the very next day I got an "onion knife" with another 15,000 Unity accolades key!

They gave me an onion, and an onion knife to cut it with! And cutting onions makes you cry lol, which I was close to already after spending 30,000 accolades on those two items!

It was once said in one of the unity chats (yes someone actually typed a full sentence) that the purpose of unity chat objective is just to make sure that we are alive and not mindless bots that farm salvage all day.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

This objective serves to motivate players to talk in Unity chat. While it only requires you to chat just twice, we are looking into changing this to just one time, since we feel that would be enough. The amount of points you can receive from this objective has been set relatively low, and with more ways to obtain unity accolades in the future, we didn't want to make anyone feel like they were losing out if they couldn't accomplish this every day. Since this is still a very new system, we do not have any plans at the moment to eliminate this.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

A noble goal, I suppose, but it is not doing that. It is encouraging people to spam the chat log instead of actually talking.

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Originally Posted by Vasch

The unity I'm in is more like a bunch of computers talking to each other.

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All day long...

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Yes. This objective is actually having the OPPOSITE of the intended effect. The Unity chat will be nothing but people vomiting all over it for their points, because all the people who might have wanted to use it as a chat channel will have filtered it out, "I'd rather Unity Chat be a useful tool than a nuisance I have to turn off."

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Originally Posted by Tidis

Exactly! It's remarkable how many people don't get our point of view with Unity, we WANT to use it but in it's current state all it is most of the time is a load of spam, it has the potential to be a very useful source of communication.

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Originally Posted by Ladynamine

See Square-Enix...this is EXACTLY what i'm talking about. (Ty zarchery for agreeing w/ me ;3 ) ...If you are intending to motivate players to use the chat system, the Records of Eminence objective wasn't really necessary to have. People WOULD HAVE used it for its intended purpose w/o the objective. But no, the majority of people HAVE NO INTENTION OF EVER USING IT for its purpose and just use it just to leech and spam the chat for free experience points and free accolades and nothing else. For everyone else who does use Unity chat for its purpose, good job and i praise you for using it for its actual intention. But if Square-Enix's intention is to motivate players to use it, then just let people use it w/o the objective so there wont be any more spam.

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Originally Posted by Ruvion

It was once said in one of the unity chats (yes someone actually typed a full sentence) that the purpose of unity chat objective is just to make sure that we are alive and not mindless bots.

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(I actually lost what it was that I had already started to write and had cut it to add in the past replies in as past quotes but accidently went a head in cut to paste something else into loosing all my great writing in response that I had written compared to what written is now) :(


It still amazes me, it used to be one of the core at heart features of the game for folks to be social, chatting to one another but as the game's own mechanics was sped up and Made easier over time to accomplish objectives, it also seemed to of changed or adjusted the type social game the player is now and it has basically became jump in get objective done and jump out in being none sociable~total silence. I have seen my majority into the types of players through the years as some would actually come into the game to escape the chatting from their daily lives, I guess maybe its the types of personal or business chats they received all day into wanting to use the game as an escape as into a no chat place but they weren't realizing they were coming to game at the time into having one of its primary focuses was to chat and be social.

This "objective" was noble cause to bring it back into the game more but its assertion in detail on how the objectives requirements into the game may be completed was flawed making it miss the mark and creating a loss cause in a reason to have it as an eminanance objective but i'm not saying abolish the objective, I'm saying fix the detailed written requirements required into completing the objective for good fix and meeting its purpose in goal to having it around as an eminence objective to be completed.
I wouldn't doubt this would take quite some time in a lot tinkering and torquing it until you get it just right as well. Good Luck Teams in working on this objective. {just a quote I thought might fit this in matching my written message; "A not well thought out plan is or can be a lost cause" and theres another quote thats a bit longer adding to the end of it: "a lost cause to the objective meant to be originally in place"

Having tried repeatedly to start conversations, get people interested in doing unity stuff etc. and only getting a succession of "1,2" responses I've tried to turn it off...but failed! I've set the chat filter in main chat config to "Hold" and set the Unity filter in both windows to "On" under logs but I still get all the posts that look like a sound check convention...what am I doing wrong folks? How can I stop the spam? It's probably something daft I've done, but it's getting frustrating and with two windows the unnecessary unity noise is clogging up the screen.

Thanks in advance :-)

Art.

If you go to status > Unity you can just turn Unity chat off from there.

Thank you! I'll give that a go....

Art.

I remember back in the day when we used to get spammed by gil sellers with there tells to go somewhere out of character and out of the game, they would direct folks to it in there bad man tells, spamming everyone on the sever but this type of thing happening in a logical different way could probably use a spam filter like they did in the old days to block it's occurrences from continually happening inside the unity chat. it be something like /uchataid, /uchatspamblock, etc. and so on and so forth! LOL!! hope its a simple solution and a great idea! ;)