Issues with Tier II battlefields

Tier II contents after those from Divine Might (especially Avatar primes) aren't attracting people's attention. I tried forming parties for it several times, but I have always ended up soloing them myself, because no players wants to join in the fun. It seems people are not interested in papers neither, probably because they got all their papers they need.

There a couple of ways I could see to bring fruitions to these battlefields:
1. Make equipment RARE only, so they can be sold at AH (I don't understand why all these gears got to be RARE/EX).
2. Increase the drop rate on difficulties (Very Easy & Easy) when soloing it (very far-fetched idea, I know. But I really want some of these items very badly!)
3. Let the Trust NPC be able to participate on the battlefields.

If something isn't done, I would be left with my last alternative. /yelling to buy these equipment at a unreasonable price.

4. make a couple like-minded friends to cover key jobs

some of the bc are unpopular because they lack good drops(shadow lord comes to mind), but most are just not easy to win reliably in a pickup setting at higher difficulties..

normal mode bc drop gear <50% in my experience(.5 gear * .2 piece you want / 6 players = 62.5 runs on average to get a piece like ptica headgear on normal mode.. when other drops suck people tend to group seacom).. if only option is normal mode people start to see these items as unattainable and don't even bother

however, if you make a static group and can win difficult(doesn't even have to be vd for good drop result), you're looking at like (1.25 gear * .2 piece you want / 6 players = ~24 runs to get everyone their stuff).. key difference also being that in a set group once someone gets a drop they're no longer after it

these bcs favor linkshells, set groups, etc.. this is good design, mmorpg are meant to encourage grouping and if you have a good group it lowers time shouting and you can enjoy watching your group improve over time

I personally always thought Normal should be guaranteed 1 drop, D 2 drops, VD 3 drops. Getting what you're after on normal difficulty is a pain in the butt. Not even really sure what the point of VE-E is. Go solo and get a free paper I guess?

Taking the ex tag off bc drops is kind of a double edged sword, cause while you could buy what you wanted, at the same time during bc's everyone would just wanna be lotting the rarer/good items that would sell for more.

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Originally Posted by Comeatmebro

these bcs favor linkshells, set groups, etc.. this is good design, mmorpg are meant to encourage grouping and if you have a good group it lowers time shouting and you can enjoy watching your group improve over time

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Linkshell members aren't interested in them as well.

I do them with LS members all the time

If you make the equipment non-ex then a lot of people will have no reason to do it at all. At the moment, they can go and sell the synthesis drops (depending on what it is, it can be decent) if they wanted money. If you make the equipment non-ex, then people won't even have to run the battlefield to get the loot; they will simply buy it or wait to buy it. The same people already capable of running it will keep running it, and those that aren't doing it (you) aren't given any more incentive to do so. In fact, you've lost incentive because now you can just buy the drops.

The equipment is item level 119, so making the equipment drop on E and VE would defeat the purpose altogether. It's group content, against a boss. The idea is to group up and fight it if you want the equipment drops. E and VE exist for you to learn the mechanics if necessary and practice, while also getting chapters/etc.

As for trusts, again, it reduces the number of people that are going to even bother trying to group if it's doable solo (though I don't think many of them would be doable with trusts).

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I personally always thought Normal should be guaranteed 1 drop, D 2 drops, VD 3 drops. Getting what you're after on normal difficulty is a pain in the butt. Not even really sure what the point of VE-E is. Go solo and get a free paper I guess?

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Practice, learning the fight. D has guaranteed drops as far as I know (1 guaranteed, chance at multiple). If you're geared up to 119, doing it on D to get that next 119 item much easier shouldn't be difficult. If you're trying to get your first 119 item by doing a fight on N, then yeah, you're gonna have a rough time probably due to the drop rate and competing against others, but there's also a bajillion other ways to get geared up to handle D. If you are worried you don't know the fight mechanics well enough (and strategy) then hey look, there's lower difficulties for you to try out.

Merits aren't hard to get. Spending the 5-30 minutes once to learn the battlefield on a lower difficulty will make higher difficulties that much easier to handle, and everyone will be much more comfortable.

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Some battlefields just drop really niche gear not many people desire. Some people are lucky that things like Domesticator's Earring (niche) drop out of a battlefield that drops other great gear (macc body) so they can get it easily, but yeah, other times, it's rough.

If you want to do the battlefield, talk to your friends and linkshell. It shouldn't be too difficult to at least get 2-3 other people that will do it, even if it just means helping you out. If you can't fill it up with just friends and linkshell members, once your group is 3~5 out of 6, it shouldn't be difficult to fill the remaining by shouting most of the time, and people are much more likely to jump at the occasion when they see the group is almost full.

You're right that this is a problem; but there exists solutions outside of SE doing something. SE could (and potentially, should) do something that would help out I imagine, but your suggestions are not it.

My LS does all bcs (including DM) on D-VD with no difficulties. None of them are hard if you just zerg them with a couple good dds, a buffer, and a smn. (Obviously this strat doesn't apply to them all, but it does to most). The whole having 5 difficulties still seems silly to me. With a thf it's pretty rare that we don't get 2 drops on D. There's almost no incentive to jump up to VD (which is quite a bit harder), and with the crappy drops on Normal or lower, I can see how a lot of people find it not worth their time.

Normal should have better drops. Period. People don't do these because normal has sucky drop rates and D is a crap shoot with Pick up groups. Sorry, some of us don't have very strong/populated linkshells. The game is losing people all the time, and not being able to do content with reasonable chance of reward with strangers is only making it worse.

I have never in my time in the game seen so many linkshells evaporate so quickly... people are dropping like flies. Making content that is unrewarding for pick up groups is the last thing this game needs right now.

I also agree with dropping the ex tag. Because right now if people get the drop they wanted there is zero incentive to keep doing the battle, making it harder to form groups. I almost never see shouts for these - I assume because people who do them do them with their LSes/friends, get their drops and never do them again.

If these were worth money people who had the gear still would have an incentive to participate.

And frankly if my choice is not do the content and not get the item or not do the content and have a way to get the item, I'll choose the latter. Then, at least, if no one else wants to do the battlefield with me, I can still work on my character.

I've said it once and I will say it again. They should make it so only one person uses a KI for each fight. Then you could do 6 fights on normal and get everyone a piece of gear; problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

I've said it once and I will say it again. They should make it so only one person uses a KI for each fight. Then you could do 6 fights on normal and get everyone a piece of gear; problem solved.

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This would help. Needing to get more merits to redo the fight really makes it hard to enjoy the content. So even if you do get a good pickup - you can't do more content with them.

Like so many voidwatches I've done for example you end up doing lots of runs cause the group is rolling good. Can't do that with this content.

it's really not that bad, if you're undergeared to the point that difficult is out of the question then you're probably benefiting from chapters still on normal mode

How are you trying to form shout parties? Will you take anybody, or are your shouts always asking for the same specific jobs with minimum gear requirements? I tend to ignore shouts because they are always "119 rng, 4-song brd, o-chain pld", or what have you. Jobs they are looking for are jobs I have no interest in playing, much less gearing up to the accepted minimum. I would love to try the fights for the experience, but not enough to spend the time/gil to be accepted in a shout group.

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Originally Posted by Xantavia

How are you trying to form shout parties? Will you take anybody, or are your shouts always asking for the same specific jobs with minimum gear requirements? I tend to ignore shouts because they are always "119 rng, 4-song brd, o-chain pld", or what have you. Jobs they are looking for are jobs I have no interest in playing, much less gearing up to the accepted minimum. I would love to try the fights for the experience, but not enough to spend the time/gil to be accepted in a shout group.

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For Avatar primes, I usually shout for DD, GEO, BRD & WHM (and me being RUN). I only go with the RNG strategy for DM.

Also I could go with COR instead of GEO for Magus Roll.

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Originally Posted by Xantavia

How are you trying to form shout parties? Will you take anybody, or are your shouts always asking for the same specific jobs with minimum gear requirements? I tend to ignore shouts because they are always "119 rng, 4-song brd, o-chain pld", or what have you. Jobs they are looking for are jobs I have no interest in playing, much less gearing up to the accepted minimum. I would love to try the fights for the experience, but not enough to spend the time/gil to be accepted in a shout group.

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I would suggest you're exaggerating about people shouting for a 4 song bard, I saw a friend shout for a RDM + 4 song bard in one shout but that's because we needed a 6th, he could do either of those jobs but both were needed. As for Ochain, such a common item it's only natural people expect a PLD to have one and RNG is the flavour job atm and any DD is expected to be top notch since everyone wants to be a DD nowadays.

I've seen shout groups so desperate for a brd they'll take a 2 song >_> which seems kinda silly to me considering how easy terpander is to get, but eh.

That being said, some of these fights seem a lot easier than previous BCs. Just did Levi D with 4 people, whm nin cor and brd.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

I've said it once and I will say it again. They should make it so only one person uses a KI for each fight. Then you could do 6 fights on normal and get everyone a piece of gear; problem solved.

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This. Yea. This.

I think the issue is that all drops are kinda "spread out", so your friends/ls member is only interested in specific drops in specific BC.

For example, my ls member asked in /l for AA MR all the time for the mask, but I don't need the mask, so I usually don't reply, since I'm saving merit on other BC.

On the other hand, I need AA EV ring, but whenever I asked my LS to do EV, they're always like "Why do you want to do EV? Let's do MR!" So in the end nobody do EV cuz they're saving their merit on MR.

Note that it's very, very easy to get ls member for delve/incursion runs, but BC is 20 times harder. So there's something clearly wrong with the BC.

Of course you can make a Higher tier BC static or something and do 1 round of event for everyone, but then you'd force ppl to spend merit on BC they don't need, and that dropped the interest cuz ppl nowadays kinda don't trust other ppl like lv 75 era anymore. A lot of ppl just wouldn't want to spend merit on a BC for lsmember/friends's item.

IMO, the entrance KI shouldn't be merit to begin with, it can be a pop KI that needs gil or time to farm, whoever want the BC item sponsor the pop, so other helpers just spend time instead of their precious merit.

Or maybe reward the helper a lot more than just paper, most ppl are capped with AF 119 so it's not an incentive anymore.

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Originally Posted by Afania

I think the issue is that all drops are kinda "spread out", so your friends/ls member is only interested in specific drops in specific BC.

For example, my ls member asked in /l for AA MR all the time for the mask, but I don't need the mask, so I usually don't reply, since I'm saving merit on other BC.

On the other hand, I need AA EV ring, but whenever I asked my LS to do EV, they're always like "Why do you want to do EV? Let's do MR!" So in the end nobody do EV cuz they're saving their merit on MR.

Note that it's very, very easy to get ls member for delve/incursion runs, but BC is 20 times harder. So there's something clearly wrong with the BC.

Of course you can make a Higher tier BC static or something and do 1 round of event for everyone, but then you'd force ppl to spend merit on BC they don't need, and that dropped the interest cuz ppl nowadays kinda don't trust other ppl like lv 75 era anymore. A lot of ppl just wouldn't want to spend merit on a BC for lsmember/friends's item.

IMO, the entrance KI shouldn't be merit to begin with, it can be a pop KI that needs gil or time to farm, whoever want the BC item sponsor the pop, so other helpers just spend time instead of their precious merit.

Or maybe reward the helper a lot more than just paper, most ppl are capped with AF 119 so it's not an incentive anymore.

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I don't mind the KI's taking merits. When Job Points came out I grinded them like crazy and capped out everything merit wise so now the only thing I can use merits for are these fights. So the fights still give merits a purpose because eventually every will run out of something they can merit. However I think everyone is in agreement. The fights should only require one person's KI.

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Originally Posted by Comeatmebro

4. make a couple like-minded friends to cover key jobs

some of the bc are unpopular because they lack good drops(shadow lord comes to mind), but most are just not easy to win reliably in a pickup setting at higher difficulties..

normal mode bc drop gear <50% in my experience(.5 gear * .2 piece you want / 6 players = 62.5 runs on average to get a piece like ptica headgear on normal mode.. when other drops suck people tend to group seacom).. if only option is normal mode people start to see these items as unattainable and don't even bother

however, if you make a static group and can win difficult(doesn't even have to be vd for good drop result), you're looking at like (1.25 gear * .2 piece you want / 6 players = ~24 runs to get everyone their stuff).. key difference also being that in a set group once someone gets a drop they're no longer after it

these bcs favor linkshells, set groups, etc.. this is good design, mmorpg are meant to encourage grouping and if you have a good group it lowers time shouting and you can enjoy watching your group improve over time

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I think Dray would approve of this.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

I don't mind the KI's taking merits. When Job Points came out I grinded them like crazy and capped out everything merit wise so now the only thing I can use merits for are these fights. So the fights still give merits a purpose because eventually every will run out of something they can merit. However I think everyone is in agreement. The fights should only require one person's KI.

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I don't think it's good to lower entrance requirement though, or else ppl would spam it more often. They should allow players to sponsor KI for helpers by spending more merits though. So say if entering 1 BC needs 15 merit, it's probably better if one person can trade 15 merit for some kind of pop item and trade it to the helpers. It'd be a lot easier to get ppl to help if they don't need to spend any merit to enter the BC.

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Originally Posted by Afania

I don't think it's good to lower entrance requirement though, or else ppl would spam it more often. They should allow players to sponsor KI for helpers by spending more merits though. So say if entering 1 BC needs 15 merit, it's probably better if one person can trade 15 merit for some kind of pop item and trade it to the helpers. It'd be a lot easier to get ppl to help if they don't need to spend any merit to enter the BC.

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I'm either not understanding what you are saying or it just doesn't make any sense. It almost sounds like you just want to be able to pay the merits for the other people. That means if you wanted to do an elvaan and paid for it all, you would need 90 merits. You can only hold 45 merits at a time so you would have to get 45 merits, get the items, then have those items waste your inventory space while you get the rest of the merits. After that you have to hold onto all the items while you gather people together, and if you lose or the item you are after doesn't drop your still down 90 merits. Even worst is the other scenario where everyone wants to do mithra but you. Five people want to go, so which of the five is going to have to sponsor you? What's stopping them from just getting a sixth who will pay for themselves?

Could you imagine how less popular delve and incursion would be if everyone needed to get a KI every time for people to enter? Sure right now the price of rocks are low, but if the demand increased 6 fold the prices would shoot up with it. And so what if people spam merit fights. Everyone pretty much already have the chapters they need. The only thing of value that would change is the synthesis material, and they aren't even worth that much on my server already. If anything it would be good if those prices went down, then more people could skill up their crafting.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

I'm either not understanding what you are saying or it just doesn't make any sense. It almost sounds like you just want to be able to pay the merits for the other people. That means if you wanted to do an elvaan and paid for it all, you would need 90 merits. You can only hold 45 merits at a time so you would have to get 45 merits, get the items, then have those items waste your inventory space while you get the rest of the merits. After that you have to hold onto all the items while you gather people together, and if you lose or the item you are after doesn't drop your still down 90 merits. Even worst is the other scenario where everyone wants to do mithra but you. Five people want to go, so which of the five is going to have to sponsor you? What's stopping them from just getting a sixth who will pay for themselves?

Could you imagine how less popular delve and incursion would be if everyone needed to get a KI every time for people to enter? Sure right now the price of rocks are low, but if the demand increased 6 fold the prices would shoot up with it. And so what if people spam merit fights. Everyone pretty much already have the chapters they need. The only thing of value that would change is the synthesis material, and they aren't even worth that much on my server already. If anything it would be good if those prices went down, then more people could skill up their crafting.

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Atm if you do AA with 6 member you'd need 90 merit total, if you change the KI to leader only then you'd only need 15 merits. Which is a game longevity nerf because 90 merits can do 6 EV runs instead of just 1. You need a lot less time to farm merits for the BC and you can do more.

If you've been on this forum long enough, you'd know that I'm usually against game longevity nerf in MMORPG. I support more incentive in content to encourage players to help out, but I usually don't support stuff become easier and faster to get.

I don't think paying merits for other ppl isn't bad idea. Can also make paying gil an option as well.

Interest in these BCs is probably close to its nadir now so it's hard to make the argument that making fights more accessible and repeatable is hurting the content's lifespan.

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Originally Posted by detlef

Interest in these BCs is probably close to its nadir now so it's hard to make the argument that making fights more accessible and repeatable is hurting the content's lifespan.

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This. Either the BCs have gear (niche or otherwise) that some want, or it's got mostly trash. Interest could be solved simply by re-evaluating the gear that's added IMO. Spending too much time adding gear that's worse then what we already have. If it's bad outta the gate, it won't be sought after.

Personally, I don't really get where the argument comes concerning needing merits. If you're playing the game, you're prolly merit capped. RoE and massive exp gains in SoA (stop being Aby/VW only, you'll see the light) for sneezing on the weakest of mobs makes getting merits beyond silly.

Can get behind the KI only being needed by the leader though, this'd lead to many more possible organized runs among friends/LSs as well as foster a better quality of life experience for anyone relying on shouts for these fights. BC area congestion would be the major hiccup I'd think, and they've yet to announce a fix for that, beyond "add more BCs to spread people out!"

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Originally Posted by Malithar

Personally, I don't really get where the argument comes concerning needing merits. If you're playing the game, you're prolly merit capped. RoE and massive exp gains in SoA (stop being Aby/VW only, you'll see the light) for sneezing on the weakest of mobs makes getting merits beyond silly.

Can get behind the KI only being needed by the leader though, this'd lead to many more possible organized runs among friends/LSs as well as foster a better quality of life experience for anyone relying on shouts for these fights. BC area congestion would be the major hiccup I'd think, and they've yet to announce a fix for that, beyond "add more BCs to spread people out!"

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I have no problem with these battles requiring merits, I just don't like that it makes it harder to do the content with PUGs because you can't do something like "your pop your drop" which, frankly, is the best way of organizing for pickups for the most part, and it overall just really sucks that the way it is now you will inevitably spend more time getting people together than doing the content. That's never fun.

I would be cool, however, if you could (at least) buy multiple KIs for a battle, or better yet, trade merits for some kind of orb(s) you can trade to the npc to buy a KI. That way you could do a shout for Tenzen X3 and maybe by some miracle get a group together and have a slightly better chance of actually getting something (since if someone in your group gets the drop they want, your chances of getting the drop go up)

Practically every fight has an item that is worthwhile for various jobs. You guys just want Delve level of gear and it won't happen for a while and for good reason.

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Originally Posted by Draylo

Practically every fight has an item that is worthwhile for various jobs. You guys just want Delve level of gear and it won't happen for a while and for good reason.

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Almost every BC having one worthwhile drop isn't really a good reward model. Everything doesn't have to be good, but when some BCs have literally nothing worth owning then what's the point even adding them?

Kam'lanaut(4 drops, 2 of which are decent-good for multiple jobs, the other 2 are mostly junk) is a decent balance. Lancelord(5 drops, 1 of which is a marginal macro piece for 2 jobs, 4 of which are complete garbage) isn't. Avatars(6 BCs, 4 of which have 0 good drops, 2 of which have 1 good drop and 4 trash drops) are a complete failure. It doesn't need to drop amazing gear(mes haub is barely better in most of the situations it wins, but it's still an attractive piece for multiple jobs.. likewise for slacks), it just needs to drop something to make it worth doing.

Edit: I'm not saying the reward model is bad, the content is boring, or even that grouping is unreasonable. I'm just saying that most of the BC could do with an improvement to their drop pools. Out of 20 total BCs, only 10 are done for any reason besides chapters.

Useful:
AA Hume
AA Mithra
AA Elvaan
Divine Might
Kam'lanaut
Eald'narch
Tenzen
Ouryu
Shiva
Leviathan

The rest have at most one decent drop, and it's optimal for few-no jobs. This is as much a reason for nobody doing them as difficulty, especially considering how easy shadow lord and avatars are..

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Originally Posted by Draylo

You guys just want Delve level of gear and it won't happen for a while and for good reason.

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What's the good reason? For most of the rest of FFXI's history best-in-slot gear was spread over a great number of events. Why now make it so most of the best gear only comes from one event, an event that is VERY RESTRICTIVE in terms of what jobs can participate.

I miss abyssea era where there was plenty of really good gear you could get with a couple friends on any job they wanted to come on. This SAM BRD WHM MNK RNG only era is depressing and it's directly tied to the fact that the devs are releasing content with generally crummy rewards, and ALL the content is aimed at the same kind of party set up and job balance has never been worse.

It's a model that has worked for them for quite some time. At least each one has an item that is worth doing it for a certain job. Even the avatars, practically each one drops something decent, where are you getting 4 have 0 good drops? Titan has Shuriken, Garuda has Occ quick cast+2% ring, Ramuh torque still has highest macc w/additional FC. People seem to expect skirmish/delve type of equipment enhancements and those won't be coming for a while. People were begging SE to go back to this model because they hated things getting outdated, and yet now they complain. This model is exactly how the old school stuff worked, you had tons of bcnms that only had one drop someone might have needed. To answer the second part, they might just want people to experience nostalgia fighting old bosses at high difficulties, maybe not even for the drops.

I'm sure they plan to add a ton more hard mode battles due to the amount they can pull from in the game. I doubt they can seriously make every single one drop an item that makes people go "OOOH that is amazing". If anything they should add cinders, heavy plates and linen pouches to some of these with lesser drops.

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Originally Posted by Olor

What's the good reason? For most of the rest of FFXI's history best-in-slot gear was spread over a great number of events. Why now make it so most of the best gear only comes from one event, an event that is VERY RESTRICTIVE in terms of what jobs can participate.

I miss abyssea era where there was plenty of really good gear you could get with a couple friends on any job they wanted to come on. This SAM BRD WHM MNK RNG only era is depressing and it's directly tied to the fact that the devs are releasing content with generally crummy rewards, and ALL the content is aimed at the same kind of party set up and job balance has never been worse.

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The reason is so that they don't invalidate all the content they just put out by increasing ilevel? Who would want to do any of these bc's or any delve content for gear if you can just get i120+ from the new content? They wanted to keep some longevity to the content.

I honestly don't remember that in Abyssea unless you were one of those bst that took 3 hours to solo a mob with your invincible pet. Everyone else did it more efficiently by bringing the correct jobs. There was a bandwagon at that time too if you didn't remember, most people wanted to bring NIN WHM MNK THF and BLM barely any other jobs were considered. Most people even soloed everything with mules during that era to keep all the drops to themselves. If you think Delve is restrictive then you are nuts... You can practically destroy any delve zone with any DD job as long as you have a conventional support line.

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Originally Posted by Draylo

The reason is so that they don't invalidate all the content they just put out by increasing ilevel? Who would want to do any of these bc's or any delve content for gear if you can just get i120+ from the new content? They wanted to keep some longevity to the content.

I honestly don't remember that in Abyssea unless you were one of those bst that took 3 hours to solo a mob with your invincible pet. Everyone else did it more efficiently by bringing the correct jobs. There was a bandwagon at that time too if you didn't remember, most people wanted to bring NIN WHM MNK THF and BLM barely any other jobs were considered. Most people even soloed everything with mules during that era to keep all the drops to themselves. If you think Delve is restrictive then you are nuts... You can practically destroy any delve zone with any DD job as long as you have a conventional support line.

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I would go with my friends and work on getting pop item drops while they did staggers. I often played on BST. Rewards were plentiful enough that it was no biggie having friends along even if they weren't perfect, and BST had strengths in absysea, it was no where near as far behind as it is now. No one is going to want me on BST for delve.

Also I am not calling for the items to be 120, I am calling for the items to be as good as delve items or slightly better in some cases - but at 119. The game used to have good options for almost every slot for almost every job from almost every event. That made it worthwhile to do more than just 1 event.

Why wouldn't you want that? hardcores are all capped out on delve already and casuals never get to do it, so I don't see the point in keeping most of the best in slot in that event.

"casuals" get to do Delve all the time. You do realize you can use beads, that are 100% drop rate, to lock out 3 NMs? That means in 45 minutes you have to kill two NMs and one Mega boss, HOW can you possibly lose!? I see "casuals" shouting for Delve all the time, there is nothing stopping you from shouting on BST and gathering the appropriate jobs if your BST is well geared. All the NMs in Delve are also soloable on BST, outside where you can get non-mega boss items to prepare for them inside. I already explained how these BCNMs have items that are good and some are comparable to Delve gear if you don't have that. They are also all soloable on various difficulty levels.

I see almost no shouts for delve anymore... so yeah I think you're just making things up. And the shouts I do see are for support jobs or ranger only.

And no, I am not going to shout to do delve on BST, and yes, I have lost multiple times with people (the kind of people who actually could use the gear) on real jobs, and if my bst was THAT well geared (mythic full + full 119) where anyone would even consider taking my BST - I wouldn't need delve.

Please go shout as a bst for party members for delve and let me know how that works out for you. People will think you're trolling.

Frankly, you're obviously trolling right now.

Your sig is once again accurate. People don't do Delve for the gear anymore, they do it for gil lol. I see shouts for Delve every single day, you are lying if you claim there are no shouts for Delve on your server. No wonder you have no friends to do content with, your attitude in general is very poor. You have no initiative to do anything and you wait for hand outs from SE. Do you ever sit there and wonder how everyone else has Delve items so easily and has beaten all the content while you struggle to even be included?

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Originally Posted by Draylo

Your sig is once again accurate. People don't do Delve for the gear anymore, they do it for gil lol. I see shouts for Delve every single day, you are lying if you claim there are no shouts for Delve on your server. No wonder you have no friends to do content with, your attitude in general is very poor. You have no initiative to do anything and you wait for hand outs from SE. Do you ever sit there and wonder how everyone else has Delve items so easily and has beaten all the content while you struggle to even be included?

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If ever there was doubt this guy is a troll, it's gone now.

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Originally Posted by Draylo

Your sig is once again accurate. People don't do Delve for the gear anymore, they do it for gil lol. I see shouts for Delve every single day, you are lying if you claim there are no shouts for Delve on your server. No wonder you have no friends to do content with, your attitude in general is very poor. You have no initiative to do anything and you wait for hand outs from SE. Do you ever sit there and wonder how everyone else has Delve items so easily and has beaten all the content while you struggle to even be included?

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You're right that people don't do delve for gear anymore and instead for money, but you forgot that beading NMs = less plasms, and less plasms = less money. And just because you see shouts all the time on your server, doesn't mean he's having the same experience on his.

It's a complicated issue. The content is not brutally hard, unforgiving, etc. If I had any 6 of the whiners accounts, I could clear 6/6 delve in a day without any outside help(maybe +1 day on job leveling if their combination was particularly bad). If you got a group together and tried for a while, you'd win. This is what people had to do when delve1 came out, remember how it took over a month before anyone had even cleared a T6? That wasn't for lack of trying, dedicated groups were bringing full coordinated alliances and getting their asses kicked while they worked out the strategy and farmed up the gear needed to do it. Now, the strategies are known and you can go right ahead and pick up gear good enough to win for the sparks you got for free while leveling to 99.

The attitude spreads itself, though. If you shout as a BST, a sparks-DD, or even someone known to be new-ish.. nobody will be interested. The other new people may see it as futile, or see themselves as unworthy. There isn't a quick fix to this, and it may not be solely the fault of the players. That doesn't mean you should let it keep you down. If you want to advance, you have to put the time into making a group and (this is the important part) stick with it. The only surefire way not to win delve is not to try delve.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

If ever there was doubt this guy is a troll, it's gone now.

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Should look up what it is to troll then, I am just giving my honest opinion. Delve isn't hard to beat as evidenced by all the people with gear from it who are already bored.

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Originally Posted by Maikeru_Sylph

You're right that people don't do delve for gear anymore and instead for money, but you forgot that beading NMs = less plasms, and less plasms = less money. And just because you see shouts all the time on your server, doesn't mean he's having the same experience on his.

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I was suggesting that because he needs the gear more than the money. You can solo ALL the outside NMs on various jobs, so that gear is easy to obtain solo. There are many video solos of these NM, some on BST. The mega boss gear is easier to get if you bead stuff and only have to deal with two NMs. Every server has shouts for Delve, go look at ffxiah.com. It's one of the only content left really that people spam all day every day.

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Originally Posted by Draylo

Should look up what it is to troll then

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Yeah alright.

Wikipedia-
In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]

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Originally Posted by Draylo

I am just giving my honest opinion.

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Is your honest opinion you hate Olor? because that is what I took away from your post. If the point you were trying to get across is that delve is not hard you shouldn't have added the off-topic, extraneous, inflammatory insults. However if your intent was provoking an emotional response, then please take your dickery elsewhere.

I guess you are contributing so much more to this thread right?