Koru-Moru won't give me refresh!

I've googled and forum searched and haven't found any results...
I was wondering if this was brought to attention at all, but when I'm on BLU, Koru won't give me refresh!
It's not as important later on I'm sure, (Though if bf and I are duoing and Koru is out.. Refresh 2 would be nice~!) but I'm in the process of leveling/learning spells and I run out so quickly that I have a lot more downtime than I should :c
Is this a known issue? I wasn't sure if it was a bug or not but I figured I'd post and get some input.

I remember the first time i poped Koru-Moru he didn't give me ANY refresh for the entire time. I thought i need to spend some MP so he refresh me, however, he didn't.

Later on, after few days i noticed he was constantly using refresh on me. even when my MP is full!!! so i don't know what happens. maybe an update or some kind of fix has been done to him.

I'll try to continue using him throughout levels 70+ (while skilling up and such) but i used him for a good couple of hours (just earlier today) and he gave me nothing, even with empty MP and no book refresh. :<
I'll keep trying though, thank you for the response c: Glad he came to his senses and started giving you refresh, that little butthead haha

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Originally Posted by shaduf

I remember the first time i poped Koru-Moru he didn't give me ANY refresh for the entire time. I thought i need to spend some MP so he refresh me, however, he didn't.

Later on, after few days i noticed he was constantly using refresh on me. even when my MP is full!!! so i don't know what happens. maybe an update or some kind of fix has been done to him.

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have the same issue as OP, were you using a mage sub? because /dnc or /nin, no refresh, and I'm currently 56. arciella doesn't either and neither bard will ballad unless THEY are low on MP or another mage trust. at least moogle can't ignore my needs...

Any update on this? Still no refresh for us BLUs...

Well Koru from what I remember tends to put you into 1 of 2 categories... a melee needing haste or a mage needing refresh which is part of why I don't like him. While I can't speak for blu on other melee jobs with mp Arciela will do both haste and refresh II. Alternate ways of getting mp from trusts that are good for other things as well is Apururu's Devotion and Kupipi's Moonlight. The cor can too but generally waits till you are really low from what I've seen

#1. Setting the correct combination of spells that give job enough ability points of about 8 which activate the job ability AUTO-refresh! Just wish they would do an update that would offer us blues more refresh however!

#2. There is a pot spell called Battery Recharge that does Refresh I think it's v.2-Refresh! However like above in #1 I'd wish they would do an update that would give us a higher refresh spell that give us a higher refresh with less cost on mp and blue mage points and maybe to boot that spell could some how trigger job ability refresh instead of the set required!

Side Note: Still No Blue Mage Trust npc's yet as far to my knowledge! :cool:

actually another way use Trust Arciela has Refresh II can on Blue Mage player

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Originally Posted by YosemiteYogorockBlondelle

#1. Setting the correct combination of spells that give job enough ability points of about 8 which activate the job ability AUTO-refresh! Just wish they would do an update that would offer us blues more refresh however!

#2. There is a pot spell called Battery Recharge that does Refresh I think it's v.2-Refresh! However like above in #1 I'd wish they would do an update that would give us a higher refresh spell that give us a higher refresh with less cost on mp and blue mage points and maybe to boot that spell could some how trigger job ability refresh instead of the set required!

Side Note: Still No Blue Mage Trust npc's yet as far to my knowledge! :cool:

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Yeah but some BLUs are too low to get Battery Charge (I'm 69 for example), and yes, there is Auto Refresh, I already have it, it's just 1mp/tick.

Also, I don't have Arciela, but I'm safely assuming that she wouldn't be giving Refresh II until much later down the road, when I'll be high level and able to Refresh myself already.

Lastly, Koru-Moru will give Paladins both Haste and Refresh, so I don't see why BLUs shouldn't receive both too.

I'm not concerned on receiving refresh when I'll be high level enough to cast my own or wear more Auto Refresh gear. It's when I can't do neither of those things that I'd like to have a refreshing Trust.

You should get Arciela... she's a rdm just like Koru so should get spells at the same lvls and as a buffer/debuffer is much better than Koru. Just can't heal (well outside of that neet move she does) and comes into range to throw balls of light at the enemy. SE purposefully made these trusts to have pros/cons so no one would be best for all the things that job can do. You want more complete buffing from a rdm use arciela you want some buffing and healing use koru.

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Originally Posted by dasva

You should get Arciela... she's a rdm just like Koru so should get spells at the same lvls and as a buffer/debuffer is much better than Koru. Just can't heal (well outside of that neet move she does) and comes into range to throw balls of light at the enemy. SE purposefully made these trusts to have pros/cons so no one would be best for all the things that job can do. You want more complete buffing from a rdm use arciela you want some buffing and healing use koru.

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She still would not be able to cast Refresh II at level 69....

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Originally Posted by dasva

You should get Arciela... she's a rdm just like Koru so should get spells at the same lvls and as a buffer/debuffer is much better than Koru.

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Unless they updated arciela recently, that isn't true. Koru has every spell that arciela has and more, such as distract and phalanx 2. Arciela also can't buff other players/trusts like koru can, and spends a lot of her time in JA delay from spamming bellatrix of shadow (lets her cast enfeebles and her amnesia TP move) and bellatrix of light (allows enhancing magic and her other 2 TP moves). And no, those stances don't change her auto-attack element or damage, it was always non-elemental as far as I could tell.

The only disadvantage koru has that I can see is that he often won't refresh blu for some reason. I think it might depend on subjob, as I've had other peoples koru refresh me as blu/rdm, and I've seen him refresh stuff like pup/mage or drg/mage. If it is indeed subjob dependent, I wonder if he would refresh blu/run?

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Originally Posted by Kjara

She still would not be able to cast Refresh II at level 69....

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Neither should Koru... all my jobs are capped but I thought trusts gained spells as same lvl as players

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Originally Posted by Traxus

Unless they updated arciela recently, that isn't true. Koru has every spell that arciela has and more, such as distract and phalanx 2. Arciela also can't buff other players/trusts like koru can, and spends a lot of her time in JA delay from spamming bellatrix of shadow (lets her cast enfeebles and her amnesia TP move) and bellatrix of light (allows enhancing magic and her other 2 TP moves). And no, those stances don't change her auto-attack element or damage, it was always non-elemental as far as I could tell.

The only disadvantage koru has that I can see is that he often won't refresh blu for some reason. I think it might depend on subjob, as I've had other peoples koru refresh me as blu/rdm, and I've seen him refresh stuff like pup/mage or drg/mage. If it is indeed subjob dependent, I wonder if he would refresh blu/run?

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Depends on what you are doing. At times Koru's greater amount of casting everywhere is a disadvantage. I find that even with the ja usagage (would hardly call it spamming) she still does a better job of keeping me and herself buffed than Koru when doing xp lvl stuff. That was really my main gripe. Koru would spend all his time casting and attempting lower priority stuff and missed the important part of hasting me

I picked up Blue again this weekend to duo with another blue, and we found this incredibly annoying. Koru would cast refresh on all the trusts with MP including Joachim, but would not refresh either of us. I changed my subjob to /rdm, and still no refresh. We're working on adoulin missions so hopefully Arciela will work.

Also, I used Ultima and Joachim, trying to get refresh, and unless I replaced Quitada with D. Shantoto so that all of our party had MP, neither bard would ballad. I kept switching up the setup trying to get ballad consistently.

I can understand the bard issue being more difficult to fix because I can see Blue wanting haste and ballad more situationally but I don't understand why an obvious bug with Koru Moru been fixed yet. Refreshing the bard trust, but not an actual blue player? That seems ridiculous.

Koru-Moru was intentionally designed to not casting Refresh on blue mages.

There are a couple of reasons for the decision.

• Blue mage can cast Battery Charge on themselves, which is already a large boon to blue mage MP management.
• When playing blue mage a lot of time is spent monitoring your own MP.

If there are more targets that require Refresh, it’ll make it increasingly more difficult for Koru-Moru to support other party members, and this might result in braking one of his main roles in battle where he casts strong enfeebling spells.

That doesn't make any sense. Blu uses far more MP than many other jobs he WILL refresh, like rune fencer, paladin, or mp-less jobs with mage subjobs like pup/sch or drg/rdm. Why is it appropriate for koru-moru to interrupt his enfeebling casting to refresh those jobs, but not blue mage? Battery charge is equal to refresh 1, and only half as effective as the refresh 2 koru-moru can cast.

And if having access to a refresh spell is the breaking point, why does koru refresh rune fencers, who have access to a refresh the same strength as battery charge?

Because BLU simply just doesn't need it. They also have Magic Hammer and can also main hand a club which has a MP replenishing WS. Also the jobs that do get the refresh actually need it. I'm a 99 BLU and it doesn't bother me that I don't get his refresh and I also don't even equip battery charge. Also correct me if I'm wrong but pretty sure the RDM trust you get for beating Adoulin missions does give you refresh. I never use her all too often but I'm pretty sure she does.

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Originally Posted by Sephoroth

Because BLU simply just doesn't need it. They also have Magic Hammer and can also main hand a club which has a MP replenishing WS.

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Yeah, magic hammer is great...unless you're fighting something you can't aspir.

Good point on the club WS thou, but to be consistent they should also make it so koru-moru doesn't refresh paladins, dark knights, geomancers, and white mages, since they can all equip clubs and use moonlight as well.

PLD needs the Refresh for spamming of Flash, Enlight1-2, Holy2 MB, and Cure IV. DRK if played right can technically self chain and MB, not to mention a ton of Absorb type spells, so kind of need it. Geo is casting a lot of buffs or debuffs, maybe even nuking, do you really want your GEO running out of MP and becoming useless, because of no Refresh? WHM has Dagan which is even better, but since WHM probably shouldn't be fighting when it matters, I'm going to go with they need it also. Back to DRK and PLD tho, they don't exactly have the worlds greatest MP pool... Also if the PLD is /BLU or the WHM sucks, they'll definitely need that Refresh. Yes they can use the clubs and the WS... However BLU usually is using swords and spamming CDC, and IF they are using clubs it's usually for nuking stuff. I mean you could use Flash Nova, but the MP you'd get back most likely gives more damage with those extra Subduction casts you'd earn. Either way.. If we are going to be complaining about Koru-Moru being a nooby RDM... May we know why he chooses to use Convert during an AOE instead rather than caring about Refresh? Or is killing himself with Convert more often than not "Working as intended"?

Has anyone actually seen the costs of a lot of the BLU spells? Saying they don't need refresh "as much" is ridonkulous. If you actually play BLU the way it was originally meant to be played where you can MB and stuff, that MP suckage adds up quick. As for "end game", that's broken as heck on a lot of fronts so I don't really think it's that relative. A trust giving refresh instead of a BLU using charge is not going to hurt anything. It's more of a QoL thing for lower BLUs IMO.

How things change. Back in the day I had BLUs yell at me for casting Refresh on them. XD

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Originally Posted by Raydeus

How things change. Back in the day I had BLUs yell at me for casting Refresh on them. XD

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Really? I used to want Refresh all the time but rarely anyone found it high priority. I never demanded it or anything though. I would only ask if we were doing really good or I just couldn't keep up with MP and was slowing down trying to rest or something. (This is a LONG time ago though before 75+ and before BLU had refresh, etc)

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Originally Posted by Zaelle

Really? I used to want Refresh all the time but rarely anyone found it high priority. I never demanded it or anything though. I would only ask if we were doing really good or I just couldn't keep up with MP and was slowing down trying to rest or something. (This is a LONG time ago though before 75+ and before BLU had refresh, etc)

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The problem I'd have with people refreshing my blu is they were never that good at it. So like it would wear off and I'd wait and wait for them to recast and they wouldn't then I'd cast my 5 minute refresh and 3 seconds later they'd overwrite it with their 3 minute refresh and we'd play this game over and over again

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Koru-Moru was intentionally designed to not casting Refresh on blue mages.

There are a couple of reasons for the decision.

• Blue mage can cast Battery Charge on themselves, which is already a large boon to blue mage MP management.
• When playing blue mage a lot of time is spent monitoring your own MP.

If there are more targets that require Refresh, it’ll make it increasingly more difficult for Koru-Moru to support other party members, and this might result in braking one of his main roles in battle where he casts strong enfeebling spells.

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We were leveling up blue mage, not 99, so we didn't have battery charge or auto-refresh at that time. We did get the spells to get auto-refresh as soon as we could, but we're not high enough for battery charge yet. It was very frustrating to see Koru refresh Joachim who had full MP but not refresh either of us. Fortunately, we could finagle the party to get refresh from the bards at least.

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Originally Posted by Traxus

Yeah, magic hammer is great...unless you're fighting something you can't aspir.

Good point on the club WS thou, but to be consistent they should also make it so koru-moru doesn't refresh paladins, dark knights, geomancers, and white mages, since they can all equip clubs and use moonlight as well.

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Mooonlight is a poor excuse for an MP replenishing weaponskill, the only useful MP replenishing club weaponskill worth mentioning is Mystic Boon, and only WHM has access to that.

If Koru-moru won't cast refresh II on us because we have Battery charge why does he cast haste II when we have Erratic Flutter? I`d rather have refresh II over Haste II.

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Originally Posted by kylani

We were leveling up blue mage, not 99, so we didn't have battery charge or auto-refresh at that time. We did get the spells to get auto-refresh as soon as we could, but we're not high enough for battery charge yet. It was very frustrating to see Koru refresh Joachim who had full MP but not refresh either of us. Fortunately, we could finagle the party to get refresh from the bards at least.

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I honestly heave both Auto-refresh, Battery charge equipped with one gear that adds one or two tick more mp and yet I feel its still not enough to keep recasting the spells rather quickly in successions.

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Originally Posted by Calatilla

Mooonlight is a poor excuse for an MP replenishing weaponskill, the only useful MP replenishing club weaponskill worth mentioning is Mystic Boon, and only WHM has access to that.

If Koru-moru won't cast refresh II on us because we have Battery charge why does he cast haste II when we have Erratic Flutter? I`d rather have refresh II over Haste II.

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I will whole heartily agree how little mp is recovered from the weapon skill suggested!
:confused: I think I meant battery charge...as I have just revisited this post.

Koru-Moru and Arciella II Doesn't Refresh 1 or 2 BLU or DRK for some reason. But King of Hearts do.

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Originally Posted by dasva

The problem I'd have with people refreshing my blu is they were never that good at it. So like it would wear off and I'd wait and wait for them to recast and they wouldn't then I'd cast my 5 minute refresh and 3 seconds later they'd overwrite it with their 3 minute refresh and we'd play this game over and over again

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This is me and haste on my blue... it is just like... if you're not going to keep up the buffs please don't apply them... also if you're on BLU go king of hearts he doesn't hate us like koru...