remove 18 jobs?

FFXI has 22 jobs, why make only 4 really count?
(PLD WHM BRD RNG) with maybe a little of MNK & COR?
Is it possible to make game content accessible to all jobs?
So people don't ask only for RNG all the times?

RNG and PLD were non existent for the most part, like 4 months ago. The job demand changes all the time, you are able to bring any job you want with friends though so try making some?

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Originally Posted by Draylo

RNG and PLD were non existent for the most part, like 4 months ago. The job demand changes all the time, you are able to bring any job you want with friends though so try making some?

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Some jobs still require quite a few buffs to to do "certain" content. Examples being run, bst, geo, and pup which all seem lack accuracy or somekind of survivability.

Those Rangers just don't have to worry about AoE dmg which helps them considerably.

A friend and person in my linkshell has used RUN to tank every new Delve NM in place of a PLD and has done so successfully. It is sometimes a player mindset, not just a developer issue. Some jobs do need buffs, I won't disagree with that though. If you have any suggestions that don't involve nerfs then that would be refreshing. VW forced people to bring different jobs at the start but everyone hated that.

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Originally Posted by Draylo

RNG and PLD were non existent for the most part, like 4 months ago. The job demand changes all the time, you are able to bring any job you want with friends though so try making some?

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What about bst, Dray?

Here's 2 ideas:

1) Don't post suggestions about the game in the "Website Feedback and Suggestions" forum. This is for suggestions about the actual Final Fantasy 11 website.

2) If you're not one of the jobs that are popular, make your own parties. I do it all the time. Being a party leader is more stressful than being a passive member. As a reward for doing it, you get to choose how your party is built. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You either take the easy road and play one of the popular jobs so you can be passive or you run your own parties and choose who you want.

The reason certain jobs are so popular is because party leaders are generally risk-averse and want what is perceived as the party combination with the best shot at winning. So they pack parties with these jobs even when it doesn't really make much sense.

Like Draylo said, job demands change all the time. PLD and RNG are the flavor of the month. I don't remember them being so popular a year ago. I remember when NIN was all the rage because evasion and blink tanking beat the cures demanded by PLD. I remember when people wanted the versatility of RDM (with Dispel, Refresh, Convert, enfeebling and black magic abilities) over the specialization of WHM. I remember when Manaburning with a lot of BLM was popular.

I remember when RDM was the preferred tank in the dunes, Do you even remember the dunes? Do you remember standing by selbina for 6+ hrs waiting on an invite before level sync? Remember level sync? :P

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Originally Posted by Malthar

What about bst, Dray?

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All BST must die

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Originally Posted by Draylo

A friend and person in my linkshell has used RUN to tank every new Delve NM in place of a PLD and has done so successfully. It is sometimes a player mindset, not just a developer issue. Some jobs do need buffs, I won\\'t disagree with that though. If you have any suggestions that don\\'t involve nerfs then that would be refreshing. VW forced people to bring different jobs at the start but everyone hated that.

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I enjoyed vw procs with the exception of blu's mega list of procs.

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

Some jobs still require quite a few buffs to to do "certain" content. Examples being run, bst, geo, and pup which all seem lack accuracy or somekind of survivability.

Those Rangers just don't have to worry about AoE dmg which helps them considerably.

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Play Ranger sometime, low vit, low eva, low hp, low def, high enmity, and all the survivability of a turtle on a hot road during rush hour traffic. Ramger has a lot more things to worry about than AOEs, let the tank lose hate during the two minutes decoy shot is down, and geuss who the mob kills, not the pup bst geo or run, they race straight for the rng.

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Originally Posted by Kaiichi

I remember when RDM was the preferred tank in the dunes, Do you even remember the dunes? Do you remember standing by selbina for 6+ hrs waiting on an invite before level sync? Remember level sync? :P

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Lol slevel sync, do you remember before level sync? I ure do

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Originally Posted by predatory

Play Ranger sometime, low vit, low eva, low hp, low def, high enmity, and all the survivability of a turtle on a hot road during rush hour traffic. Ramger has a lot more things to worry about than AOEs, let the tank lose hate during the two minutes decoy shot is down, and geuss who the mob kills, not the pup bst geo or run, they race straight for the rng.

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High enmity huh? Not sure about that with a certain relic... but the other stuff I understand. They may not be that great at soloing, but they have so much more going for them reason why they are #1 invited dd to most content now.

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

High enmity huh? Not sure about that with a certain relic... but the other stuff I understand. They may not be that great at soloing, but they have so much more going for them reason why they are #1 invited dd to most content now.

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With the exception of Voidwatch Ranger has been left out in the cold for 8 years now. Some of the jobs in the op weren't even in existence when ranger got the nerf which virtually killed it for endgame content.

It's rng this year so far, next year hell next month for that matter the new flavor of the month may be some other job, it really depends on the cont. If you want to do everything all the time, level brd, whm, or sch, maybe cor, those jobs are wanted all the time at all content and have been forever

I don't know where to post this was going to make new topic but there is so many. I would like to see RNG removed from the game entirely. or at least SE could lower the duration of Decoy Shot to last 10 or 30 seconds. also increase the recast of Decoy Shot from 5 to 20 min or 10 at least. This would give other jobs a chance at higher level content. I am currently refusing to pay for my own account and 3 other accounts because RNG is broken in the amount of enmity they can shed, my server is the same no one will use any job besides relic RNG with delve ammo and i refuse to play the job since i don't have relic. If SE cant fix RNG's enmity shedding exploit i would suggest they give other jobs a chance like give every job some kind of enmity douse and lower it to same as RNG Decoy Shot. Or how about we remove Decoy Shot all together then we will see this RNG only Fad come to a end.

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Originally Posted by Jeffro

I don\\'t know where to post this was going to make new topic but there is so many. I would like to see RNG removed from the game entirely. or at least SE could lower the duration of Decoy Shot to last 10 or 30 seconds. also increase the recast of Decoy Shot from 5 to 20 min or 10 at least. This would give other jobs a chance at higher level content. I am currently refusing to pay for my own account and 3 other accounts because RNG is broken in the amount of enmity they can shed, my server is the same no one will use any job besides relic RNG with delve ammo and i refuse to play the job since i don\\'t have relic. If SE cant fix RNG\\'s enmity shedding exploit i would suggest they give other jobs a chance like give every job some kind of enmity douse and lower it to same as RNG Decoy Shot. Or how about we remove Decoy Shot all together then we will see this RNG only Fad come to a end.

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SE's reply: blue mage has hydroshot lol

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Originally Posted by Jeffro

I don't know where to post this was going to make new topic but there is so many. I would like to see RNG removed from the game entirely. or at least SE could lower the duration of Decoy Shot to last 10 or 30 seconds. also increase the recast of Decoy Shot from 5 to 20 min or 10 at least. This would give other jobs a chance at higher level content. I am currently refusing to pay for my own account and 3 other accounts because RNG is broken in the amount of enmity they can shed, my server is the same no one will use any job besides relic RNG with delve ammo and i refuse to play the job since i don't have relic. If SE cant fix RNG's enmity shedding exploit i would suggest they give other jobs a chance like give every job some kind of enmity douse and lower it to same as RNG Decoy Shot. Or how about we remove Decoy Shot all together then we will see this RNG only Fad come to a end.

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Who do you put in your parties when you run events?

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Originally Posted by Jeffro

I don't know where to post this was going to make new topic but there is so many. I would like to see RNG removed from the game entirely. or at least SE could lower the duration of Decoy Shot to last 10 or 30 seconds. also increase the recast of Decoy Shot from 5 to 20 min or 10 at least. This would give other jobs a chance at higher level content. I am currently refusing to pay for my own account and 3 other accounts because RNG is broken in the amount of enmity they can shed, my server is the same no one will use any job besides relic RNG with delve ammo and i refuse to play the job since i don't have relic. If SE cant fix RNG's enmity shedding exploit i would suggest they give other jobs a chance like give every job some kind of enmity douse and lower it to same as RNG Decoy Shot. Or how about we remove Decoy Shot all together then we will see this RNG only Fad come to a end.

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Lol you're not paying for your account because rng can shed enmity? Do you really think that's why rng is finally getting invited to stuff? It's probably a good thing you aren't paying for your account. But you probably didn't pay for it when mnk was the flavor of the month during delve 1 era, probably not when blue was so cool in aby. A Pld pissed off because a job can actually put hate onto them that is so fucking funny. Bet you hate thf for trick attack and hide too

that is the only reason RNG is used morons. if they didnt have the decoy shot exploit to constantly hide like little pussys we would not be stuck in a RNG only loophole. i have played since day 1. as for finally getting invited to stuff its always been the same just they are used more now for anything that lasts longer then 5 min. why do you think the game is fucking dead? because no one wants to pay to play a RNG only game

Decoy Shot should be RNG's 1 hour and it should last 30 seconds not 3 min who ever thought of this job ability should have his hands chopped off

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Originally Posted by Jeffro

that is the only reason RNG is used morons. if they didnt have the decoy shot exploit to constantly hide like little pussys we would not be stuck in a RNG only loophole. i have played since day 1. as for finally getting invited to stuff its always been the same just they are used more now for anything that lasts longer then 5 min. why do you think the game is fucking dead? because no one wants to pay to play a RNG only game

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Haha has nothing to do with rng doing semi decent damage and not having to stand within mob aoes to do it? Rng is invited just because it can decoy shot?

Yeah no joke back to elite bullshit.

I think just about the only thing I ever see "RNG ONLY" for is Ark Angel fights at Difficult or Very Difficult levels. Everything else still seems pretty egalitarian. I don't know how it is that Rangers are able to get past the accuracy problems that seem to plague other DD on these fights, but they do.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

I think just about the only thing I ever see "RNG ONLY" for is Ark Angel fights at Difficult or Very Difficult levels. Everything else still seems pretty egalitarian. I don't know how it is that Rangers are able to get past the accuracy problems that seem to plague other DD on these fights, but they do.

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Gear, skill, food, and job abilities

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

I think just about the only thing I ever see "RNG ONLY" for is Ark Angel fights at Difficult or Very Difficult levels. Everything else still seems pretty egalitarian. I don\\'t know how it is that Rangers are able to get past the accuracy problems that seem to plague other DD on these fights, but they do.

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On shiva, Rangers are #1 choice for all content that requires a party, with the exception of morimar and yorcia delves. Okay, not skirmishes either, but even my blu was declined an invite to that because I wasn't a mnk or rng.

Do other mmo's have this problem?

This whole fucking discussion is retarded, both the op's idea, and the one who wanted rng removed from the job. It takes like 2.6 seconds to level a job to 99 and fully merit it, there are no race restrictions or anything else standing in you way but your own goddamn laziness. If you wanna do shit than level something people fucking want, or quit your damn whining. I have rng, brd, pld, dnc and thf at cap. Wanna do stuff? Then get out an do it.

They have made this game so easy over the years that a 3 year old "special" baby could play it, so I'm pretty sure you guys can too.

I hate sounding like this but fuck this is retarded

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

On shiva, Rangers are #1 choice for all content that requires a party, with the exception of morimar and yorcia delves. Okay, not skirmishes either, but even my blu was declined an invite to that because I wasn't a mnk or rng.

Do other mmo's have this problem?

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I like the Skirmish. This is one event I can take my Sch and be a melee DD. And 8/10 times I am top DD on NM's.

I do agree though many jobs need a buff. Blm, Blu, Drk, Sam, Drg "using a def down toy does not equal worthwhile" Nin, Rdm, War. All need something. Espicaily BLm and SCH if we are talking about nuking power.

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Originally Posted by Kimjongil

I do agree though many jobs need a buff. Blm, Blu, Drk, Sam, Drg "using a def down toy does not equal worthwhile" Nin, Rdm, War. All need something. Espicaily BLm and SCH if we are talking about nuking power.

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A lot needs to change, but we all know the first step towards making changes is acknowledging that there is a problem. That's where SE fails horribly. It is not fun or rewarding at all to be on your favorite job and to have to change to something else to do content you want to do. Sadly, that's the situation for most of the jobs in the game atm.

According to SE, nukers are in a "good place" right now, whatever that's supposed to mean. I won't go through the Community Reps' posts to find it (it was sort of recent), but apparently they consider magic attack "fixed" because you can spam tier 1 spells and do damage that way without running out of MP. Not only is this short-sighted and insulting, it didn't even fix anything.

The caster fixes are insulting because the current situation of spamming tier 1 is equivalent to forcing a melee job to use an Onion Sword/Onion Dagger to deal damage with Fast Blade/Wasp Sting in Adoulin content. No one leveled their BLM, SCH, RDM, GEO to 99 and geared it so they can cast level 1-20 spells. Also, there isn't enough Magic Acc in the game to make a nuker feasible in any D/VD fights, nor is it reasonable to stack it just for your nukes to land, because then they won't do worthwhile damage. Something needs to change. Lower tier III-V and AoE spells' MP costs a ton, shorten cast/recast times, boost innate Magic Acc a lot, stop making everything immune to magic, stop making everything explode or "Supernal Chapuli" when the wrong magic is cast on it, and/or drastically lower enmity from spells. There are a billion different ways to fix the jobs, but the the devs don't understand the game enough.

Wasn't it just like 4 months ago that Monks were the whipping boys of the melee world?

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Originally Posted by Nelyus

FFXI has 22 jobs, why make only 4 really count?
(PLD WHM BRD RNG) with maybe a little of MNK & COR?
Is it possible to make game content accessible to all jobs?
So people don't ask only for RNG all the times?

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Please explain what content is not accessible to those other 18 jobs.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Wasn't it just like 4 months ago that Monks were the whipping boys of the melee world?

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They still are whipping boys in the melee world. H2H+ skill increases Mnk dmg far beyond that of other melee jobs. They also have high ass HP and formless strikes. Only reason not to use a Mnk would be if you needed a paladin. Then, you would require Ranger's hateless and highly accurate damage. At least, SE made Yorcia Delve that I never see anyone go into.

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

They still are whipping boys in the melee world. H2H+ skill increases Mnk dmg far beyond that of other melee jobs. They also have high ass HP and formless strikes. Only reason not to use a Mnk would be if you needed a paladin. Then, you would require Ranger's hateless and highly accurate damage. At least, SE made Yorcia Delve that I never see anyone go into.

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There are people who will hate any job that's popular, and rather than level it themselves they'll QQ because it is popular and what they have leveled isn't. I've had rng leveled forever, but when delve 1 came out and rng wasn't wanted for it, I leveled pld, and I recently leveled brd, next up will be mnk. I want to do the content so I'll level whatever job is necessary to do it. It's like people don't realize that they can level a job they don't like, to do the content so they can have clears and plasm to gear up the jobs they do like playing, it's really not all that hard to understand