Rate up/down

There are many sites that use this feature, such as Digg, Reddit and even FFXIAH. Basically, a button where you rate a person's post up and down.I think it would be a nice addition to the site.

It could be useful. As is some people get bashed as it is on here or bash others. Could be a silent way of openly showing you dont like the post without going into egotstical battle or the one up reson.
Another con I forsee is people offering good ideas ... but are not popular and those posters feeling at a loss due to downsided critism. Either way i am game for it... i personaly enjoy them.

Internet rate up / downs are pretty meaningless... all they need is a report function.. which they have.

Relying on a numerical majority to get posts/posters recognized is never a good idea. More often than not you'll find just as much good, solid information rated down into oblivion as bad posts; E.g, Frost's Haste guide thread. Conversely, you'll also find really really bad posts rated up, mostly because people are dumb; E.g, pretty much every new job thread in General, the "Change the Abyssea level entry" threads, etc.

If they were to add rate up/down features I foresee people recruiting their entire linkshell to rate down people they dislike / rate up their posts. It's a really useless feature that fails to validate good or bad posts.

Useless feature, bad idea. FFXIAH is a horrid example and the feature should have been removed like it was from any other decent FFXI site a long time ago.

Last thing we need is a popularity contest on these forums. People tend to get vengeful and start rating people up or down solely on their opinion of the poster and not on the content of the post. "rate this post/poster" systems stink in general and are one of the reasons I stay away from sites like Zam and FFXIAH (the forums, not the rest of the site which is awesome)

What we really need, after looking 2 posts up... is a sig size limit...

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Originally Posted by Purpleeyes

There are many sites that use this feature, such as Digg, Reddit and even FFXIAH. Basically, a button where you rate a person's post up and down.I think it would be a nice addition to the site.

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I want to rate down the OP

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

-Jonathan Swift

It's like Jonathan Swift knew about the internet 300 years before it existed! Giving people the ability to rate down those that disagree with them never works well.

Hey all,

Relevant to the above, one of the new features we're looking into implementing will allow everyone to "like" individual threads.

A "like" button will be implemented for each post. You will be able to click the "like" button, once per post, and the total will be displayed. You can also "unlike" a post that you've "liked", should you mistakenly click the button. We feel this is a good alternative to the typical ranking or karma system.

This will also hopefully assist us in accumulating the best and most constructive feedback for the developers.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

Hey all,

Relevant to the above, one of the new features we're looking into implementing will allow everyone to "like" individual threads.

A "like" button will be implemented for each post. You will be able to click the "like" button, once per post, and the total will be displayed. You can also "unlike" a post that you've "liked", should you mistakenly click the button. We feel this is a good alternative to the typical ranking or karma system.

This will also hopefully assist us in accumulating the best and most constructive feedback for the developers.

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Look at how this system is abused on Allakhazam to see why it's a bad idea. On paper it looks like a great idea but in practice it's terrible.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

Hey all,

Relevant to the above, one of the new features we're looking into implementing will allow everyone to "like" individual threads.

A "like" button will be implemented for each post. You will be able to click the "like" button, once per post, and the total will be displayed. You can also "unlike" a post that you've "liked", should you mistakenly click the button. We feel this is a good alternative to the typical ranking or karma system.

This will also hopefully assist us in accumulating the best and most constructive feedback for the developers.

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I like this and will utilize this feature ^^ thank you for giving a heads up.

(Directed at OPs idea, not recent dev response)

Its a bad idea, More times than not people will rate "dislike"/"Like" Simply based on rather or not they like you. FFXIAH's system and Ala's System is proof of this.

Some people will be "Liked" Simply because they're a familiar name, right or wrong, This could be very misleading to a new player who would use the like system looking for advice.

It'll pretty much degrade into a High-school popularity contest that it is on Ala/FFXIAH. Where the right and good Information can be rated down simply because the person is not popular amongst the website users, and those who are wrong are liked because they walk on glass trying not to upset anyone to become popular, rather they know what they're talking about or not.

But I can't knock it until its been implemented, Maybe it'll be different here =x?

BADDD idea i get down rated all the time by the user name i use on other ffxi forums just because one of the members in the LS don't like who i am but because he has a hard on for being a moron he down rates my post no matter what i do or say and this can be a real ego fest for some people and they will just do it for their ego or against people they don't like....

They say why fix something if it isn't broken

I don't see the harm in a like button. It works well enough on facebook and guildwork. It allows people to show support for ideas without the popularity contest of a rate up rate down system. It will still be pretty arbitrary in terms of what gets liked but at least it will save people from posting with a quote of what other people said and then saying 'This.' OK actually they'll probably still do that lol.

Please see they're adding in LIKE and not DISLIKE. So its good :D

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Its a bad idea, More times than not people will rate "dislike"/"Like" Simply based on rather or not they like you. FFXIAH's system and Ala's System is proof of this.

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Hvinire only talked about like buttons, no dislike button.

the like button as a measure of player response is a mediocre effort at most. The reason is that it is usually the unhappy that respond to anything; those happy with the status quo tend to be silent. if you can keep that in mind, then it can see some use.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

Hey all,

Relevant to the above, one of the new features we're looking into implementing will allow everyone to "like" individual threads.

A "like" button will be implemented for each post. You will be able to click the "like" button, once per post, and the total will be displayed. You can also "unlike" a post that you've "liked", should you mistakenly click the button. We feel this is a good alternative to the typical ranking or karma system.

This will also hopefully assist us in accumulating the best and most constructive feedback for the developers.

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so long as it is for the original post so it is a vote for the idea, I think it holds a lot of merit. Most of the problems everone is presenting as a con are related to systems that allow you to rate individual posts (and by proxy the user). Voting like/dislike for the THREAD (ie, the original post) is a nice compromise.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

Hey all,

Relevant to the above, one of the new features we're looking into implementing will allow everyone to "like" individual threads.

A "like" button will be implemented for each post. You will be able to click the "like" button, once per post, and the total will be displayed. You can also "unlike" a post that you've "liked", should you mistakenly click the button. We feel this is a good alternative to the typical ranking or karma system.

This will also hopefully assist us in accumulating the best and most constructive feedback for the developers.

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Look at how this system is abused on Allakhazam to see why it's a bad idea. On paper it looks like a great idea but in practice it's terrible.

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I think that is why they made the comment like they did, making posts or people down just because they dont like you is a bad system in practice. It would be nice if people did not abuse it

Keep in mind, just to be clear to everyone, the system does not include a "dislike" button.

The system was a bad idea on FFXIAH.com, and there is a lot of proof in that.

Even now, they said that they are going to remove posts after a few negatives, so that made the system even worse.

Having a "like" only feature isn't all that great either, I think the forums here should just have a "report" button and leave it like that, because a "like" button will just be abused. "Popular" posters will just have their friends continue to hit "like" to boost their ego.

Yeah, I don't care for this crap. If someone disagrees with the hive mind then they are sileneced, no thanks.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Hvinire only talked about like buttons, no dislike button.

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read my very first sentence :)

after re-reading and noticing he said an UNLIKE button and not dislike i see where i mistook that wouldn't be so bad but still not needed i think just do a search for new posts its pretty easy to see which ones are favored in discussions normally but in this case don't care either way as long as not a flaming fest to degrade people for their user name is fine with me

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Yeah, I don't care for this crap. If someone disagrees with the hive mind then they are sileneced, no thanks.

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1. If there is no group effort at message moderation, then sorting through the useless and inane posts in the hopes of finding something worth reading is necessarily an individual effort.

1. Sorting through posts to find ones worth reading is never worth the effort! This is an immutable law of the internet. If you haven't learned this yet, go cancel your AOL account because you won't like what you'll find. Even being "something worth reading" still isn't "something worth searching for."

Maybe some posts will get "silenced" by the "hivemind." The alternative is that everyone gets effectively silenced because nobody bothers to listen to anything said in the entire forum. The only possible difference is that, in the former, nobody gets their precious sense of self-importance hurt by seeing that nobody else cares about their "me too!" post with their 800 pixel tall signature graphic.

I much prefer if SE just spent time doing polls. Ingame polls would be best but even on the forums it might be nice.

The only reason I see having a like option would be to have an interview forum. Basically people could ask questions and the top 10 rated questions would be answered. If the first question is about making a cheese we know that it's pointless to have questions.

Polls are built in to vBulletin (which is what the forum is powered by). They are turned off. SE doesn't need to "work on them." they're already there, and they're choosing not to use it.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Polls are built in to vBulletin (which is what the forum is powered by). They are turned off. SE doesn't need to "work on them." they're already there, and they're choosing not to use it.

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I'm not talking about player created polls.

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Originally Posted by Purpleeyes

There are many sites that use this feature, such as Digg, Reddit and even FFXIAH. Basically, a button where you rate a person's post up and down.I think it would be a nice addition to the site.

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No thanks. Rating systems are basically popularity contests and give way to hive mentality. You think contrary to the hive, your posts get rated down into oblivion. The way these forums currently are have actually allowed me to post on things using tones that I cannot in other sites because the hive basically sees my post, nukes it to the ground and leaves whatever I said unviewable.

If you want a way to control trolling, all you need is really a report option, which these forums already have.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

Maybe some posts will get "silenced" by the "hivemind." The alternative is that everyone gets effectively silenced because nobody bothers to listen to anything said in the entire forum. The only possible difference is that, in the former, nobody gets their precious sense of self-importance hurt by seeing that nobody else cares about their "me too!" post with their 800 pixel tall signature graphic.

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It shows that you've never posted on topics that were considered "controversial". I'm a big melee Red Mage enthusiast. I used to get chains of rate downs the moment I brought up melee in a Red Mage thread because no one wanted to talk about it. The hive was happy with their back line role, while I was part of a group that wanted to improve front line quality of life and couldn't because the "hive" wouldn't allow it. Not to mention rating gives trolls more power over what gets posted and how they affect discussion threads, not less.

I don't like the way the "Like button" has bee implemented. It needs to be less intrusive. As it stands now it's just cluttering up the layout.

Ripped off, just like facebook :P j/k

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Originally Posted by Purpleeyes

There are many sites that use this feature, such as Digg, Reddit and even FFXIAH. Basically, a button where you rate a person's post up and down.I think it would be a nice addition to the site.

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A down would only lead to greifing and trolling of individuals.

It seems to me that it would be applicable to add a "Dislike" or "Hate" button to be able to discourage ideas as well. There are some ideas that I would just never want to see implemented, and I think it might be worth letting us express that too.

That can be expressed sufficently with text. If you let people dislike, everyone's going to get disliked.