Trust Suggestions

This is a general thread for Trust feedback and suggestions now that it's out. System suggestions, usage suggestions, customization suggestions, additional npc suggestions, etc.

The list of upcoming trust NPC's seems great but I'd love to run around with some of the more unique npcs in the game as well as possible event rewards etc.

Please consider implementing:
-Mumor - I do recall the team being rather proud of the BCNM combat animations and this would let us see them more often
-Cid - Please give him a dental related weaponskill that can inflict terror.
-Prishe - I'm sure she gets sick of staring into space in the paradox all the time.
-Gilgamesh - Bonus points if using him also replaces the combat theme with special FFXI rendition of "Battle on the big bridge"

Lame Deer... is a must!

I'd like to see some of the NPCs from the past and NPCs with more varied jobs would be cool

-Choh Moui
-Achtelle
-Lewenhart
-Rongo-Nango

I love trust by the way! great addition to the game!

-Nashmeira with her puppets included.
-Raubahn
-Ferreous Coffin for pocket reviviscense!

Shantotto - Obviously!
Star Sibyl - I bet she has some mean nukes
Naja Salaheem - Do something useful with that Mace!
Gessho - He's the man
Robel-Akbel - Warlord Taru!

Battle Suggestions

• Is it possible to have them come out of battle stance and put their weapons away? They look weird following behind me looking like they are going to attack something.
• I've noticed with Kupipi the first thing she does is cast Protectra and Shellra. Is it possible to make it so she reapplies this if another trust NPC is summoned?

Additions
Not to state ones already suggested.
Aldo, Arciela, Lilisette, Volker, Trion.

I don't like that they only use magic if you're engaged and attacking an enemy. What if I want to attack from afar unengaged?

This page calls Curilla a tank, but she doesn't seem to have provoke and is quite bad at getting/holding enmity.

Kayeel-Payeel is a favorite NPC of mine, present day Windurst citizens will never experience the wrath of his Claustrum.

Some ways the team could be creative with this came to mind when pondering Trust, like giving people certain job exclusive NPCs. One thing I thought of was if they gave Relic owners the Cutscene NPC(s) from the Hydra Corps who previously owned their relic weapon (Xonia for Bravura owners, Perseus for Aegis owners, etc etc.) If that sounded unfair to non-relic owners, another thing I thought of was NPCs that are involved in Artifact armor quests for people who have completed those lines of quests (Prof. Schultz for SCHs, Perih Vashai for RNGs..)

Liking the concept of Trust so far!

The WotG freelancers that have quests would be good (Areuhat, Babban Ny Mheillea). It's too bad that they never finished those, I would have liked to see more quests like that.

Let us use trust magic in belligerency.

Honestly, there's hardly a monster with reduced movement speed that anybody stands a chance against, even three trust NPCs probably wont be enough most of the time. It's still a lot better than nerfing monsters, because if you nerf them, it will take them too long to level up.

I'd like to see some trusts unlocked by having a job at a certain level, but aren't really major storyline characters. Like only being able to get Lilisette as a dancer wouldn't seem fair, or Prishe as monk unless it something low like 30. A few examples.
Raubahn-Blu
Ferreous Coffin-Whm
Octavien-Run
Erlene-Sch
Gessho-Nin

Also some others like a Goblin or a Moogle. Bonus points if SE makes Cait Sith a trust npc and not a summon.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

This page calls Curilla a tank, but she doesn't seem to have provoke and is quite bad at getting/holding enmity.

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What's your mission rank for Sandy? Your # of completed quest line that involved Curilla? From the various dialogues I've gotten from the various NPCs, it seems that they remembered questlines/missions where they are part of and perhaps (my guess), their abilities or their 'trusts' level is dependent upon the # of missions/quests that you have completed that involved them. At least this is the hint that I'm getting from them so far.

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Originally Posted by Rwolf

Battle Suggestions
Is it possible to have them come out of battle stance and put their weapons away? They look weird following behind me looking like they are going to attack something.

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We understand how you feel about this, but there is a reason why we've made them this way. In order to ensure that they game does not become too stressed when players summon multiple NPCs at the same time, we chose not to implement these animations for Trust NPCs.

At the moment, we're prioritizing the addition of new NPCs as well as making it possible to summon them for other content besides only reives.

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Originally Posted by Rwolf

I've noticed with Kupipi the first thing she does is cast Protectra and Shellra. Is it possible to make it so she reapplies this if another trust NPC is summoned?

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We'll be adjusting NPC behavior moving forward, but for the moment if you would like to receive Protectra or Shellra from Kupipi, you can re-summon her to have her re-cast it.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

This page calls Curilla a tank, but she doesn't seem to have provoke and is quite bad at getting/holding enmity.

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Indeed, Curilla is currently classified as a tank, but there is a possibility that we will make her a support-type role in the future. Not to worry though, as we have plans to add more NPCs with varied fighting styles in the future.

For future Trust additions, we want to avoid making them all behave the same way and would like to have each character have an individual style. As a result, it will be difficult to classify these NPCs as strictly a melee, healer, or tank.

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Originally Posted by pancakesandsx

The list of upcoming trust NPC's seems great but I'd love to run around with some of the more unique npcs in the game as well as possible event rewards etc.

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You'll be happy to know that each expansion’s heroine (including Arciela) will be available for Trust!

Essentially, we’d like to add all the top ranking NPCs from the NPC popularity contest. (This should cover a few of the NPCs you guys suggested, right? ;) )

We hope you're all excited for this upcoming content!

i seem to remember been told we would get solo content to farm plasma and other important stuff and what we actually get is some sort of glorified npc like the old crappy one.... what a complete waste of time

Riggs, you can use them in reives. Reives can give shards. Shards can be used simply to get plasm, 100-1500 per. The new content can be used to get plasm.

can solo the early level reives in a few minutes, the shard drop rate is non existant.

needs more Naja Salaheem...
why?
Why not? allways wanted to put my favorite NPC to work >:3

and maybe get my Moogle out of the mog house so he can fight insead of spinning in circles all day @w@

Kupipi does nothing unless she's meleeing. Can she behave like WHM NPCs, WHM monsters, WHM adventuring fellows, Light Spirit (i.e., every CPU WHM except automatons) and heal/buff even when not engaged? She's horrible as she is.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

...making it possible to summon them for other content besides only reives.

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* Alter egos may become available in parties and alliances in the future.

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These two things are of critical importance if SE wants Trust Magic to be more then a novelty and I'm very pleased to see that they're aware of this and are working on implementing these adjustments.

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Originally Posted by Riggs

i seem to remember been told we would get solo content to farm plasma and other important stuff and what we actually get is some sort of glorified npc like the old crappy one.... what a complete waste of time

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The A.M.A.N Records of eminence vouchers from the daily objective can be traded in for 1000 plasm. I think that might be the solo content you're referring to.

For the love of god, get these GD NPC's out of the wildskeeper reives...the lag is ridiculous! >.<

And what about our own fellowship we lvled for hours ?

I went in to some WKRs as BLM and did the usual thing of nuking the boss with its opposing element. Of course since I didn't physically engage the boss, my Trust NPC did absolutely nothing. I know that's how Adventuring Fellows act as well, but I think it's a bit of an oversight that using offensive magic or taking damage doesn't trigger action from the NPC.

I started a similar thread in general discussion

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-system-tweaks

My thoughts on trust system are there if anyone cares to read em.

I'm pretty disappointed that these Trust NPCs are being given more thought than our own Fellows NPC. Where is the final Limit Break so they can reach lvl 99? Whatever happened to expanding the areas where we can summon them? Why can't we summon them now right alongside the new Trust NPCs? I am enjoying Trust magic, but you're doing our Fellow NPCs, as well as the players, a great disservice by completely ignoring them.

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Originally Posted by Treefiddy

I'm pretty disappointed that these Trust NPCs are being given more thought than our own Fellows NPC. Where is the final Limit Break so they can reach lvl 99? Whatever happened to expanding the areas where we can summon them? Why can't we summon them now right alongside the new Trust NPCs? I am enjoying Trust magic, but you're doing our Fellow NPCs, as well as the players, a great disservice by completely ignoring them.

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I can summon mine alongside the trust npc's

I too would like if some adjustments to fellow were made. Since fellow is our "custom NPC" of sorts, there's a lot of cool things you could do with them (more AI options, armor options etc), and making them less of a hassle to use (Add a Trust Magic-like spell for fellows that keeps their unique status), as well making them level beyond 99 somehow. Something as simple as "talk to NPC whle wearing ilv weapon" would be good enough, just make the prerequisite flv99 if that's an issue.

The trust system is great btw! I would like if they made Trust NPC stats based just off your weapon and not including armor though, since our armor is typically swapping in and out all over the place while we're fighting.

Trust is about the worst thing ever added next to monstrosity. The NPCs are about worthless if you're fighting anything stronger than gustaberg bees.

I quite enjoy the new Trust NPCs!

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Originally Posted by Demonjustin

Firstly, I think the NPCs should be better at higher levels. At lower levels they are really powerful, able to keep up with us on DMG and provide a big help, but at later levels they seem too weak, providing little damage, it really feels like the ilevel scale is off, or working wrong. On top of this, we need some changes to the NPCs, there should be favoritism toward certain WSs/Spells. It feels like a lot of times they use very stupid WSs. Sometimes my NPC will use a powerful Physical WS like Swift Blade or Savage Blade, other times, they will use Red Lotus Blade or Fast Blade, if they weren't already weak, this would surely take its toll on their damage. They also cast cast weird things that aren't even helpful to us, Zeid casts elemental nukes for instance, which is not helpful, and even lowers his overall damage, he should only use them on monsters like Slimes where it increases his overall damage, otherwise their spells become more detrimental than beneficial. Lastly, if they are going to cast magic or use WSs, please let them use ones that are better for the current target. For instance they should focus on Fire Magic against something weak to Fire, not use Water on it, or spells at random, somewhat like I believe Automatons do, this ties into the idea of not casting on monsters not weak to it, they should be able to tell a monster will take more damage from simply attacking than casting, and avoid casting damage spells.

Continuing with magic, for the future of casting we need to have a certain level of preference as well, for instance, future BRDs will be worthless to us unless they use proper songs. What I mean is, if we get a BRD, say, Ulmia, we can not have her casting things like Elemental Resistance songs for an element the monster doesn't even use, or accuracy songs on monsters we already cap Accuracy on, otherwise she is worthless to us in those battles. Marches are the most heavily requested song, next are Minuets, I ask that these be able to be favored. Lastly, if there was some way to influence them on what they cast, that would be fantastic. For now, this feature is solo only, it would be awesome if in party I could say something along the lines of 'Ulmia March {(Song)} {Please}' in the chatlog and the Ulmia NPC could understand it to the point of actually casting it for me. If this type of functionality was included, it would make mage partners insanely more helpful.

Another great thing would be to be able to party up with a full party. It may sound a bit greedy, and it can be limited to some areas, such as leveling in Qufim would be up to 5 NPCs, doing Reives is up to 3, and so on, but this way we could have a full party. Right now, its solo only, no parties with other players and NPCs at the same time, so I think its fair to ask for a full party function to allow us more NPCs, but I understand if it would be to strenuous on the system or some such, 3 is enough, but, stretching to 5 would be awesome.

The last thing I want is for them to talk in party chat. Our Adventuring Fellows talk in tells, but they are not in our party, they are outside of it in a pet like manor, which is fine, but, you have made a lot of advancement it seems in this type of system, now NPCs are able to be fully integrated party members, as such, I think they should speak. Now, when I ask for them to talk I do not mean I should carry on conversation with them or something like that, but I mean they should do as they do in the story missions, or as Adventuring Fellows do. Also, the NPCs have their own personalities, more varied than our Adventuring Fellows, where we set a personality which was the exact same as the personality of many other Fellows of other players, the NPCs for Trust are special in the fact they are from the story, they have unique personalities each to their own, allowing them to say things in party while running around or during battle with their own special attitudes and twists on it would be awesome! I can imagine Kupipi saying something like 'My MP is running outtaru!' or something along those lines, which fits with her, or while we are resting her saying something like 'I could really go for some fresh Rolanberries right about now...', lastly, lore wise its possible, from the CSs we get in Trust, we already see they can talk, so why not let them do it while we are in a party together, make them more expressed and fun, so it feels like we really are playing with the NPC themselves, with their quirky personalities and funny ways, and enhance the experience for us even further?!

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Trust is about the worst thing ever added next to monstrosity. The NPCs are about worthless if you're fighting anything stronger than gustaberg bees.

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I was about to post a rude reply, but I noticed your level.

You can summon up to 3 at once.

Today, I got a chain #110 against level 99-103 monsters in Kuftal Tunnel with Zeid, Kupipi, and Ayame summoned, along with my Adventuring Fellow. They are very useful, but I think you should summon multiples at once. And you have to be a job that melees.

My suggestions:

AoE items need to affect trust NPCs.

And there needs to be a way besides personally, physically meleeing the enemy to deploy the NPCs. This puts mage jobs in a bad position when soloing reives, for example. Reive monsters would tear us apart, so trust NPCs are not an option for us.

I think that with the new Trust system, this allows for Square Enix a great opportunity to implement characters from older Final Fantasy games into FF11 and allow players to interact with them and fight along side them. Just to name a few:

1) Squall
2) Cloud
3) Lightning
4) Tidus
5) Terra
6) Zidane
7) Vaan

I think it's everyone's dream to fight along side all of the main characters, and we'd get to see SE's take on the characters magic, fighting styles, and graphic design in this day and age. Even besides these, I would love to fight with all the other characters like Yuna, Rikke, Rinoa, Tifa... The options are endless honestly. If you agree with the idea, please like it so we can get the Dev Team to send in the request. It's not an impossible one, especially with the new addition of Colloberation events with Final Fantasy XI, Dragon Quest X Online, and Final Fantasy 14 online.

I'd like to see Karaha-Baruha as a trust spell, since those npc say you can find scrolls for people you haven't even met. It'd be a good explanation as to why you were cautious to open the door to the House of the Hero. (it says something like "you feel a mysterious magic and you probably shouldn't open it")

Also I'd like to see some of the Campaign Generals like Noillurie and that Red Mage one I can't remember his name.

Please no Lightning, she's been rammed down our throat far too many times...Literally I will take anyone, WAKKA! Just please no more Lightning. I quit XIV and playing all recent FF's because of her......

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

We understand how you feel about this, but there is a reason why we've made them this way. In order to ensure that they game does not become too stressed when players summon multiple NPCs at the same time, we chose not to implement these animations for Trust NPCs.

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While they don't have any animations to prevent the game getting laggy, would you consider them having dialog (that can be toggled on/off) via party chat when certain things happen?

For example, when one of them is summoned, they can have a line of dialog they say, which changes based on whom else you have summoned already, as well as dialog from the ones already summoned replying to this. When you level or get a merit point they can congratulate you. If they die, they can have a dying line, and the other party members can reply in dismay. This could add a lot of flavor to individual NPCs.

If you really want to go one step forward (this next suggestion would be significantly more difficult in comparison), you can have NPCs take simple orders via party chat as well, probably using the auto-translate system to come up with very simple orders, such as setting up a skillchain, or casting certain elemental attacks or defenses, and if you want to go really complicated, attacking and ceasing to attack, or holding magic or physical damage.

Speaking of the game getting laggy... It would be great if there was a way to filter other players npc's so they dont show up on my screen, 8-12 FPS, in wildskeeper reives especially, really sucks >.< (was 30-40 FPS before Trust in wildskeeper reives)

Greetings, everyone!

Below are some comments from Matsui Akihiko in regards to various feedback on Trust.

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Curilla can’t hold hate very well and Ayame’s damage is not very good.

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We’ll be making adjustments to tank NPCs to improve their behavior and increase their damage output so that they can gain more enmity and thus better hold the target's attention. We’ll also be increasing the damage output of damage dealing NPCs.

There is also a bug with Curilla and Excenmille where they cure themselves too frequently trying to gain enmity, and we’ll be fixing their AI as well as making other NPC AI improvements in the next version update.

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If an NPC is in the midst of casting a healing spell and the battle ends, their casting is interrupted. Can you please fix this?

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In the future we will be making it so even when you are not in battle the NPCs will use enhancing magic and healing magic.

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Even though I have item level 117-119 weapons equipped, why are the NPCs using Red Lotus Blade?

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The weapon skills used by each Trust NPC are pre-determined. We’ve been looking into adjustments so that they use weapon skills that fit the level they are, but there are cases where the optimal weapon skills change depending on the monster and conditions, so giving consideration for skill chain elements, we made all of them use the same weapon skills. However, we’d like to continue to look into the weapon skills used by Trust NPCs further.

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Trust NPCs won’t enter battle unless I initiate the fight. Can you please fix this?

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We were thinking really hard about the conditions for beginning battles with Trust NPCs.

We had looked into the same system as avatars, but we thought there would be some negatives associated with the system if they automatically started attacking aggressive monsters that aggroed you. We’d like to continue to look into the conditions for beginning battles a bit more.

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Does Nanaa Mihgo have Treasure Hunter? And can you give her dual wield?

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Nanaa Mihgo has Treasure Hunter I. The Treasure Hunter for Trust NPCs works the same was as that of pets.

In regards to dual wield, as we need to create these animations from scratch and it would take just as long as adding a totally new NPC, it’s a bit difficult for us to address this at the moment. We’d first like to prioritize adding new Trust NPCs.

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When I use waypoints to move around the NPCs don’t follow.

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We’ve confirmed a bug where NPCs do not move when using waypoints or survival skills. I apologize for the inconvenience, but we are currently working on a fix.

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Can you separate the Trust spells from our other spells?

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We are looking into separating it into an individual category in a future version update.

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I’d like to be able to call out Trust NPCs when I’m in a party of two or three people.

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We would like to make it possible to summon Trust NPCs while in a party in the future.

We’ll continue to improve NPC AI, increase the content and areas in which Trust NPCs can be summoned, and make other adjustments to the system, so we’d love it if you keep giving your feedback.

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"In the future we will be making it so even when you are not in battle the NPCs will use enhancing magic and healing magic."
Will this also apply to puppets? I would have wanted / liked that a long time ago.