R/M/E 99 to 119 upgrade info and findings

Relics take 300x Pluton
Mythic take 300x Chunk of Beitetsu
Empyreans take 300x Riftborn Boulder

I killed several delve NMs so far
Tax'et, Kurma, Mata, Raptor, all droped 1 item. Got lucky on Supernal Chapuli he dropped a case which had 3. This is going to be one long grind. Since its loot pooled it may be worse then plates.

What I got out of it is that delve NMs drop 1 item or a rare chance to drop a case which has multiple. We will have to see what new BCNMs drop since nobody has seals yet.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I killed several delve NMs so far
Tax'et, Kurma, Mata, Raptor, all droped 1 item. Got lucky on Supernal Chapuli he dropped a case which had 3. This is going to be one long grind. Since its loot pooled it may be worse then plates.

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>_>
REALLY?
Just after learning about the BCNM alternative.......
300?
<_<
At like 1-3/NM...
This... is not fun...

Not that I wish bad things on you Zumi....
But I really hope you just had REALLY bad drops....
Cause... 300 is... a lot to grind...

And if your drops are the norm...
Are these at least sellable?? Have to check that out from the .dat mining...
That could cut down on the grind.... sorta... but not really... HMP were still 100k on Odin... even with REMs being crap.

The more I learn about the REM and AF1 upgrade... the more and harder I wonder why couldn't this just have been translurry KI trades?

They are sellable yes. These will prob go for 1m+ at first.

But as I have seen now each delve NM drops 1 item with a rare chance at a case which has the ability to give you more then 1.

We got the mythic one a few times which nobody needed because we all had empyrean or relics that we were upgrading. I am guessing if you have a mythic you prob can pick up your items for cheap due to people trying to get items for the more popular relics/empyreans.

Even the MegaBosses??
I'd think they drop larger "bags"...
But...
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Originally Posted by FaeQueenCory

Even the MegaBosses??
I'd think they drop larger "bags"...
But...
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Yes there are boxes as well but there isn't enough people on to do a boss, so I don't know if bosses drop boxes or how many is in a box.

Box > case > single

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Yes there are boxes as well but there isn't enough people on to do a boss, so I don't know if bosses drop boxes or how many is in a box.

Box > case > single

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D:
It's HMP/riftdross/VW all over again...
But worse because Delve.

VW having low drop rates was only tollerable because there wasn't a pool of rewards...
This is basically VW but everyone can lot the upgrade items.

EDIT: Delve brings out the douchiness in ppl... dear GOD this only will make that worse.

EDIT AGIAN: Thank you, Zumi, for posting this. :)

EDIT3: Maybe.... Maybe they'll immediately add/already added a plasm redemption for these... (if it's already; no one has noticed yet) Because that was really the only good thing Delve has done: have an alternative to the low drop rates that the NMs have...

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Originally Posted by FaeQueenCory

D:
It's HMP/riftdross/VW all over again...
But worse because Delve.

VW having low drop rates was only tollerable because there wasn't a pool of rewards...
This is basically VW but everyone can lot the upgrade items.

EDIT: Delve brings out the douchiness in ppl... dear GOD this only will make that worse.

EDIT AGIAN: Thank you, Zumi, for posting this. :)

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Yea in a way its worse then plates because VW had your own personal pool you could do whatever you wanted with your plates/pouch. But now you join a group to kill a delve NM or boss you have to out lot all the other people in case of a boss that's 17 people.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Yea in a way its worse then plates because VW had your own personal pool you could do whatever you wanted with your plates/pouch. But now you join a group to kill a delve NM or boss you have to out lot all the other people in case of a boss that's 17 people.

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It was already worse requiring 300 and dropping only 1...
Adding that you might not even get that one that dropped...

It's like they combined the two things ppl hate about Delve and VW: ppl being dicks and incredibly low droprates...
Who wants to play the new delve?? >_>

So in addition to the 100-(formerly)600M+ I had spent on an RME weapon before, I now have to gather 300 new items to dump into it just for the Adoulin upgrade when it takes me like an hour to poke Tojil/etc until he puts out, or buy a weapon of nearly the same strength off the AH for like ~5M?

They sure know how to destroy any good will they may have had. People wanted their weapons to be imported, they didn't want the quest quality imported too SE.

Good going SE. I can only assume you lads are millipedes, because you always seem to have another shoe to drop. Just when we think it can't get any worse, you always find a way to put the boot into us yet again.

I had a case of boulders drop 9 boulders from eft NM. Anyone got cases of plutons ?

from BG

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Just did a run in Morimar

Shimmering Tarichuk - Pluton Case (11)
Perdurable Raptor - Beitetsu (1)
Volatile Matamata - Riftborn Boulder (1)
Tutewehiwehi - Beitetsu (1)
Kurma - Pluton (1)
Tojil - Pluton (1)

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Guessing cases can drop up to 15 like the plate bags. But yea this is going to cost a lot of gil.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

I had a case of boulders drop 9 boulders from eft NM. Anyone got cases of plutons ?

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6 maned a zone only case I seen so far is the empyrean one.

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Originally Posted by Kincard

So in addition to the 100-(formerly)600M+ I had spent on an RME weapon before, I now have to gather 300 new items to dump into it just for the Adoulin upgrade when it takes me like an hour to poke Tojil/etc until he puts out, or buy a weapon of nearly the same strength off the AH for like ~5M?

They sure know how to destroy any good will they may have had. People wanted their weapons to be imported, they didn't want the quest quality imported too SE.

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Hey! It's totes NOT a magian trial yo!
It's totes differnt!
COMPLETELY differnt!
ENTIRELY EXACTLY DIFFERNT!

"hey you liked all those trials didn't you?"
"isn't that why you wanted to upgrade them?"

And ppl want the game to go beyond 119.....
I really pray that they don't now.

This was probably the absolute worse way to 119 the REMs....
No wait.
It's not the worst.
It could have said 3000 items.

Now I'm afraid to ask what it takes to "+2" the AF1 sets...

My understanding of upgrading AF is that you'll need items dropped by the new BCNM for 20 Kindred Crests. Winning the BCNM is a 100% drop of the item for each member of the party. The number of said item will vary from 1 to 4, depending on the difficulty selected. The only part i'm not sure of is how many of these items it will take per upgrade and whether items are job specific or not.

the RME upgrade is plain dumb... unless the KCNM drop thousands of them this isnt gonna happen... Like seriously there is a large playerbase with completed multiple 99 relics, some 99 empys and a few 99 mythics. This system isnt gonna work for any of them. God shits retarded... back to 05 where you need to enslave people or outlot them.

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Originally Posted by Twille

My understanding of upgrading AF is that you'll need items dropped by the new BCNM for 20 Kindred Crests. Winning the BCNM is a 100% drop of the item for each member of the party. The number of said item will vary from 1 to 4, depending on the difficulty selected. The only part i'm not sure of is how many of these items it will take per upgrade and whether items are job specific or not.

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That's all I got too.
I pray to GOD that it's not like Limbus+1ification... cause... that just blows.

Judging from the items identified currently from .dat mining...
There's some stuff that looks like Airlixers... No clue what it does... but there's 3 vairants (NQ, +1 and +2)...
And then there's some Rem's memoirs that stack to 99 like the REM update items....
I pray that it's the 880CE Goblin Soup... Ra-Ex... One item stack...

But it's probably X00 of those memoirs...
Cause they stack to 99.
Are exclusive.
And there's 5 variants.

I'm calling chapter 1 = head, cp2 = body, cp3 = hands, cp4 = legs, and cp5 = feet.
Why? because that's the staggering of gear... and 1-5 matches the slots....
REALLY hope my pattern recognition is wrongs... because... omg... that's horrible... Ex: "I need Xjob head... BCNM only drops feet 'seals'"
REALLY hope these exclusive items that stack to 99 that comes in 5 variants... has nothing to do with 109AF...
Then again it might be only as bad as empy seal farming... (only worse because of random drops) Do the abyssea seals stack to 99? Never gotten more than 10 of a kind...

EDIT: Login campaign 5:
500pt category: Moogle Kupon A

Moogle Kupon A: recieve X00 amount of appropriate Rem memoirs for an appropriate job's single piece of gear for upgrading Artifact Armor.
Just wait.

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Originally Posted by Twille

My understanding of upgrading AF is that you'll need items dropped by the new BCNM for 20 Kindred Crests.

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Sacred Kindred's Crests.

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Originally Posted by Twille

The only part i'm not sure of is how many of these items it will take per upgrade and whether items are job specific or not.

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Something like 5 I think it was, but I can remember very wrong; took a very quick peek but too tired to really register all of it (Monisette in Port Jeuno at (I-8) can tell you more accurately).

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Originally Posted by FaeQueenCory

Do the abyssea seals stack to 99? Never gotten more than 10 of a kind...

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Stacks of 12.

Farming ADL which is an easy trio now even possible to duo with higher risk and buying the 300 items out of bazzars probably became the fastest way to do this.

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

Something like 5 I think it was, but I can remember very wrong; took a very quick peek but too tired to really register all of it (Monisette in Port Jeuno at (I-8) can tell you more accurately).

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Bluh!
You confirmed that it's the memoirs...
But don't mention how many of each you need...

Best case: you need #1-5 per piece of 109ification...
What I'm expecting: X of #Y for Z piece...

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Originally Posted by FaeQueenCory

Click reply...
Your quote is all that's there...
*highly confused*

In response to your previous talk about that NPC...
Bluh!
You confirmed that it's the memoirs...
But didn't mention how many of each you need...

Best case: you need #1-5 per piece of 109ification...
What I'm expecting: X of #Y for each piece...

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Yeah, I completely deleted everything else when adding your quote via an edit!

The rest is back now, too.

I'm pretty sure it was 5 per piece, and at least some jobs share the item (for example Ninja and Samurai). Again, don't take that as a 100% thing as I didn't check them all and not very carefully... need sleep... like now!

Hello i am new here. But i have a ? Is ne1 having troubles that won a mythic in the Mog bona trying to upgrade it but CS won't take place. Is there something i am doing wrong i have all the requirements on it.

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

Yeah, I completely deleted everything else when adding your quote via an edit!

The rest is back now, too.

I'm pretty sure it was 5 per piece, and at least some jobs share the item (for example Ninja and Samurai). Again, don't take that as a 100% thing as I didn't check them all and not very carefully... need sleep... like now!

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LoL Of course.
My suppositions were just pattern recognition... which isn't always true...
But let's hope that the AF is get a set of #1, #2, #3, #4, and #5... and then you have a new piece...

What would be... just... ungodly wonderful.....
Set of memoirs 1-5, AF1 set, you get the full AF1 109ified.

Buuuuut... that'll never happen... not unless it works similar to ABCs...
Chances are it'll be 1-5, 1 AF1 piece = 1 109AF1 piece.
Not so bad...

Unless you have really bad random drop luck...

Of which I really do...
:(

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Originally Posted by Dalach

Hello i am new here. But i have a ? Is ne1 having troubles that won a mythic in the Mog bona trying to upgrade it but CS won't take place. Is there something i am doing wrong i have all the requirements on it.

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You need the CS...
So... you have to have made at least one mythic legitimately... in order to flag the quest for them... lemme get that from the main thread.

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Prerequisites
Players must be in possession of a relic, mythic, or empyrean weapon only equippable by level 99 characters.
Players must either be in possession of either the detached stinger, flame-scarred skull. or craggy fin key items; or have cleared the “difficult” or “very difficult” version of one of the battlefields for which a macrocosmic orb is required for entry.
* For mythic weapons, players must have viewed the associated event that comes with acquiring them.

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You might even need to see the CS for that specific mythic... they're basically all the same CS... but who knows with this game's flags...
Worse case, you now have the joy of making a 75 version of your 99 mythic...
Best: you now have to make a 75 of any random mythic... my suggestion: make a yagrush... a 75 is good enough for use. YäY magery not requiring 119 everything.

Well if that is the case how is that fair. here take this win on a mythic but we wont' let you make it mega boss so its useless good job btw at winning.

Oh and having a +1 artifact piece will have lower requirements than a not-yet-upgraded one (I think the 5 items being the lower; 10 for the other, but I could remember wrong). Should be clear by tomorrow (or later today my time).

As for the NPC regarding mythics etc., they are having some known issues as well (there is no response to trading a weapon in) so there's that, too.

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Originally Posted by Dalach

Well if that is the case how is that fair. here take this win on a mythic but we wont' let you make it mega boss so its useless good job btw at winning.

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I'm betting it was an "oversight"...
Though why they made that flag in the first place... instead of just a gear check like the flag for +1ing AF and relic gear...

These are the ppl who thought making the REMs worthless in the first place was no big deal.

If you never are able to 119ify your Mythic... I'm sorry... :(
At this point... I'm expecting another update tomorrow...
"patching" the requirements for all these janky updates.

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

Oh and having a +1 artifact piece will have lower requirements than a not-yet-upgraded one (I think the 5 items being the lower; 10 for the other, but I could remember wrong). Should be clear by tomorrow (or later today my time).

As for the NPC regarding mythics etc., they are having some known issues as well (there is no response to trading a weapon in) so there's that, too.

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Well thank god they accounted for that at least...
I was wondering if the AF1+1s could be used... or if one would have to reacquire the base AF1 set...
It now sounds like Abyssea seals...
Which blows... so much...
I'm never gonna get an convoker's horn at that rate... not unless the "5 drop" versions Oops... 4 drop versions... there goes my hope for "very difficult" = a guaranteed drop set of #1-5.

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Originally Posted by Damane

the RME upgrade is plain dumb... unless the KCNM drop thousands of them this isnt gonna happen... Like seriously there is a large playerbase with completed multiple 99 relics, some 99 empys and a few 99 mythics. This system isnt gonna work for any of them. God shits retarded... back to 05 where you need to enslave people or outlot them.

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1) farm ADL
2) buy pluton
3) win

These are extremely easily farmed, so the market will be flooded soon. I predict 50k per or 30M for an upgrade which is not a lot of money for RME99 owners.

Killed 14 NMs and got ~50 stones total, it's not bad (that's 3 fracture runs in a 6 manparty).

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Originally Posted by Damane

the RME upgrade is plain dumb... unless the KCNM drop thousands of them this isnt gonna happen... Like seriously there is a large playerbase with completed multiple 99 relics, some 99 empys and a few 99 mythics. This system isnt gonna work for any of them. God shits retarded... back to 05 where you need to enslave people or outlot them.

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stop playing MMOs... grind in MMOs? really?

anyone that has a lv 99 R/M/E is by definition a hardcore. Buying 300 stones from bazaars is nothing if you completed the lv l 90+ trials. From the look of it the stones are 100% drop rate and will sell same-ish as Heavy metal from voidwatch, with the additional bonus that many NMs are killable with a whm mule, o if you dont want to buy from bazaar you still have the option to slowly advance in your trial on your own.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

1) farm ADL
2) by pluton
3) win

These are extremely easily farmed, so the market will be flooded soon. I predict 50k per or 300k for an upgrade which is not a lot of money for RME99 owners.

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Not if they farmed those 99s with 2-3 friends...

Expect to see more RMTing... Cause... that's what ppl will fall back to. Ex: "arhg! This is gonna take 3yrs to get 300 of these stupid things! ... might as well just buy them." That's what causes RMT to happen.
Making them sellable is good and all...
But this kinda makes that conspiracy theory that that certain RMT company is actually Square in disguise.... seem a little suspiciously valid...
Cause you know they know that ppl are gonna resort to that...

And then you also have to factor in the fact that fracture runs cost gil to start...

So farming them up also starts to be a strain on ppl's wallets too...

At least there's the "bonus" of the fact that if you're trying to get the mythic items... and you get nothing but relic and empy drops... you can sell those and then buy the mythic drops....

YäY?

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Originally Posted by Monchat

stop playing MMOs... grind in MMOs? really?

anyone that has a lv 99 R/M/E is by definition a hardcore. Buying 300 stones from bazaars is nothing if you completed the lv l 90+ trials. From the look of it the stones are 100% drop rate and will sell same-ish as Heavy metal from voidwatch, with the additional bonus that many NMs are killable with a whm mule, o if you dont want to buy from bazaar you still have the option to slowly advance in your trial on your own.

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I think it's more the level of grind that is what upset her(? your pic is a girl, you is a girl).
Which I can definitely understand...
I mean...
Dear God Alexandrite.
Especially because.. again... how much does it take to get an oats?
A bunch of REM owners left because they got invalidated... and having the "totes not a magian trial" magian trial iLvficate the REMs...
Even more so when Delve is almost required... we'll have to see about the drops in those BCNMs...
I can understand why someone would be displeased in that.
At least it's no 3000 stuffs.

LOL. People were complaining there wasn't any time sinks left and now they got some. This is the old game people said they missed and wanted back.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

LOL. People were complaining there wasn't any time sinks left and now they got some. This is the old game people said they missed and wanted back.

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LOL
Yeah.....

Sorta anyways...
I think ppl miss the vaired stuff you could do at "endgame" to grind... Go grind in abyssea, go grind in dynamis, grind some VW, grind some Limbus, grind some Alexandrite...
Even with the alternative to Delve, that 99HQ-BCNM thing, it's still "go-do-delve-go-do-delve!"

But this is VERY much "be careful what you wish for"...
Especially because this "totes is NOT a magian trial"... cause "we'll not do that again"... LOL

EDIT: Also... Remember when they "updated" the skirmish gear? 105 and janky after like a week... and then they added a KI to trade with the item to 113ify it?
I think a bunch of ppl were expecting an upgrade of that sort...
(I also think a bit of the gypped feeling is from that too... a "why is your crap adoulin gear easier to raise it's iLv than this gear I worked my butt off to get to 99"... just more of the sentiment that Adoulin has created: do less work, get better gear.)

im in the same boat man.

Would be nice if you could at least buy the upgrade items with plasm, we spammed nothing but delve for past 7 months, now we have to do it more for relics. Lots of us have several 99 relics and empyreans.

http://i.imgur.com/UAGluk3.jpg

Tested out one of the new seal bcnm, we got 1 drop. Not worth it taking into account how long it takes to farm that many seals but we did unlock hard modes now for that BCNM, maybe those drop more.

I am rather disappointed in this. We have waited so long for this update so we may be able to wield our beloved weapons again and THIS is what we have to do?! Look SE, I understand grinding, but making it so we need 300 of these things is beyond stupid. Why? Because the drops from what I have seen are random; you need a relic upgrade, but you get ones for mythic. This also isn't VW, we don't have our own treasure pool; so with what little people we have left on our servers you have probably over half of them competing for these items, not to mention they probably have more than one of these weapons to upgrade. Also by the description in the update notes it just says that we would need the KIs from the Delve Megaboss; hearing that it implies that they could be bought via plasm. I wish that was the case; I would have np buying them with plasm.

All dual boxers are hogging all the low man NMs, Chapuli, Mata, Raptor.

Trading to the ??? for Chapuli the new Dragon's Aery.

Got a riftboulder case from Yumcax, had 12 boulders inside. (edited box to case, didn't realize there were different ones and pretty sure it was a case, not a box) I just said box because I forgot which.

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Originally Posted by cyric

Got a riftboulder box from Yumcax, had 12 boulders inside.

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That's very interesting... Here's hoping that WKR picks up again. This would be great if the entire player population can have a chance at obtaining these items so they can make some money.

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Originally Posted by cyric

Got a riftboulder box from Yumcax, had 12 boulders inside.

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Was it a box or a case, because the cases I got dropped betweeen 4 and 15. Also you are all crying like babies, is this the new BG ? This update is cool because it gives stuff to do at the pace you want.

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Originally Posted by detlef

This would be great if the entire player population can have a chance at obtaining these items so they can make some money.

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Wait, you can sell the REM upgrade materials? Oh. So, why's everyone complaining? We wanted something for hardcores to work toward instead of just sitting around AFK, people were complaining about there being nothing to do just last week. This and the AF upgrades have give the game two boosts that it needed. 1) We now have our REMs back, possibly even giving us that "elite Gear" feeling people have been missing depending on long it takes to upgrade (You know how a lot of people have been complaining about how everyone has Oat and there's no gear that you feel sentimental toward?) and 2) Gil actually serves a function again which has been a nagging problem for some time so I hear.

As far as the "But I have SO many REM's" or the "There are too many REMs that need upgrading" argument goes, I assume this was intentional on SE's part. Now there's a greater way of showing everyone your devotion to a job via these continuous upgrades. Are you upgrade all your REM's maybe not but your "Main Job"'s? Yeah, you might. So, maybe I'm missing something but all in all, it doesn't seem that bad.