ATTN DEVS: WE WANT NEW WEAPONS FOR 99 NOT RELICS AND MYTHICS

Post on this if you do not want mythics and relics to be the best 99 weapons in game.

Do you remember how hard it was getting people to help you get your AF 1 set of gear the first time around? It was bloody hard. Then at 75 all of that gear became second rate to wear, making its way to macro'd use because AF2 and +1 gear was the norm for lvl 75.

Relics by far was the most expensive, cut throat, drama, and painful thing in the game to get. Was it a faiir value of time compared to reward? Most definatly not. Even back in the early days of FFXI it wasnt worth (time spent = reward) getting because of the cost, and all that drama that surrounded getting one. But some people thought, since they want to have the best of the best gear, they would bow before the SE devs and prove they could get one. Your reward was you got to walk around with the best weapon in the entire game while you were 75.

The level cap was not raised for well over 8 years. Which is very rare for any mmo to not have a level increase in that amount of time. You were able to run around a game being the best of the best for that long depending on how early after release you got it. You had atleast a years warning that the level increase to 99 was going to happen. So if you chose to get your relic during that time, you had a fair warning that your weapon was going to be obsolete in one year, and you should try for it at your own risk.

Farming for O-hat was a pain in the butt. It would usually take days to get, then you had to get someone to craft your eyeballs, and an entire alliance to help you kill a monster for it. It was a pain in the butt to get everyone together to do it, but those who decided that they wanted to be the best of the best for head gear, went through all that trouble just to get the O-hat. Thier reward was being able to have the best head gear in the game for as long as they were 75.

The list could go on with every item that SE said lets make the (time spent = reward) so far out that it wasnt worth the time spent. SE did this with almost every aspect of the FFXI game. emp hairpin, lizzy boots, back in the day or when gil sellers would farm your sky spawn items making it weeks for average shells to obtain.

Things were not fun all the time to get and I really do feel your pain if you did not buy gil or step on people to get these items. I think what every relic holder should be happy about, is that these days of timespent does not equal reward are over and happy weapons like emps exist. That xp got easier to obtain. That people can have more haste easier now. That more people can be good geared and better hitting without spending years to get to this point.

If SE decides tommarow to make the best lvl 99 weapon in game accessable to everyone with only 1 or 2 months of farming mobs, whats so wrong with that? Why wouldnt you be happy that everyone in the game is happy and can help you fight things and missions with great weapons and gear? Do you have to be the only people who are better then everyone else based on an old system of time spent does not equal reward system? Why wouldnt you be happy that everyone in a shell is rewarded as euqally as you are?

If you want to take relics and say because of time spent wasnt worth the reward and apply it to experience points, well then by all fairness I should be asking SE to give me Ten Jobs for free because I leveled one Job to max lvl the slow time spent way.

I'm glad we moved past these days where time spent did not equal the reward and moving to a more time spent = the reward. I do not feel the need to ask for my time spent in those days to be rewarded in the days that are now going to be much much more worth time spent = reward.

Your post makes absolutely no sense, the same as most of your other posts.

I agree with some of this but ...

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Do you remember how hard it was getting people to help you get your AF 1 set of gear the first time around? It was bloody hard. Then at 75 all of that gear became second rate to wear, making its way to macro'd use because AF2 and +1 gear was the norm for lvl 75.

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On the whole, most AF1 gear was useless the second you obtained it. A lot of it even for macro purposes.

AF1: generally terrible
AF2: generally bad but the majority of new job (BLU/PUP/SCH/DNC) AF was really good
AF3: generally amazing, not sure there is one bad piece. WHM body is probably the closest you'll find.

I would love to see some new tp tier lv99 weapons and armor for level 99, and I am sure there will be, but we are only at 90 right now, so just give it some time.

I don't know where all these people get this time spent does not equal reward thing. Most shells i joined were point system so the more time spent= better rewards. I guess we just had it really good on seraph and LSes with dkp so if you did your time you did have the best of the best. And why i wouldn't be happy with someone thats only played 1-2 months having a top weapon? Because unless they researched the proper way to use said weapon, it is useless in the hands of an idiot so therefore they would not be much help in any fight.I am happy they are making things easier to obtain, don't get me wrong, but there is a point where you need to start checking the total package before inviting people to anything because everything is so easily attainable.

Attention bahamut: One thread on this subject is enough.

Please, for the love of anything holy, stop the trolling. Your wants are not representative of the community as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Henihhi

I don't know where all these people get this time spent does not equal reward thing. Most shells i joined were point system so the more time spent= better rewards. I guess we just had it really good on seraph and LSes with dkp so if you did your time you did have the best of the best. And why i wouldn't be happy with someone thats only played 1-2 months having a top weapon? Because unless they researched the proper way to use said weapon, it is useless in the hands of an idiot so therefore they would not be much help in any fight.I am happy they are making things easier to obtain, don't get me wrong, but there is a point where you need to start checking the total package before inviting people to anything because everything is so easily attainable.

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The trick was(if you're the leader) to base what was killed on what you (& some friends)want and not what the people earning the most points want. That way if the points leaders want something they're stuck hanging around for you to kill whatever they actually care about. If some lesser item drops that they want they're forced to pick between keeping dkp for an item they should have had several weeks(and yes even months) before and upgrading their character with a different piece of gear. It's a win/win situation for the leader since if they bid on the less wanted item after get tired of waiting you open up the item they really want for your friends to get the drop from as they can now beat the previous points leader. If the points leader doesn't bid then you still have a person slaving away for nothing while you can snatch up drops. Then when you finally cant avoid giving the points leader the item they want you just skip the lesser items they wanted because everyone else in the ls has em so you can pretend they aren't important anymore. And so the cycle continues.

Most pointless post ive seen.

I dont understand why there is an argument over what weapon is gonna be the best at 99

1. we are not even able to get to 99 yet
2. even if relic / mythic is a the best at 99 whats wrong with that?

Not bashing you but enough is enough already.

CAPS LOCK MEANS I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE

Even at work I cant resist the urge to post here... NO ONE in their right mind wants this, you have two topics, and two posts of the same iteration, one was enough. Your crazy idea is not wanted by the community.

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Originally Posted by TearValerin

Even at work I cant resist the urge to post here... NO ONE in their right mind wants this, you have two topics, and two posts of the same iteration, one was enough. Your crazy idea is not wanted by the community.

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This anti-relic campaign is starting to border on absurdity

The only people who want relics to be the best are those who have them. Everyone else doesn't care or wants them inferior, and people without grossly outnumber people with. You people need to stop thinking everyone wants relic to be the best thing in the game.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

The only people who want relics to be the best are those who have them. Everyone else doesn't care or wants them inferior, and people without grossly outnumber people with. You people need to stop thinking everyone wants relic to be the best thing in the game.

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It's only people like you with empyreans only who don't want relics to be the best @ 99 simply because you guys never got one, sorry you failed at the game.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

The only people who want relics to be the best are those who have them. Everyone else doesn't care or wants them inferior, and people without grossly outnumber people with. You people need to stop thinking everyone wants relic to be the best thing in the game.

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That's not true..i don't have a relic but am working on it. And I don't think most people necessarily want them to be the best, they just don't want them to be useless.

I don't have a relic, and i still thinks it is retarded that SE has outdated them with this stuff. I wish i had a link to the press spacebar to win game, that seems to be what most people that post on these forums want FFXI to turn into. And please Bahamut, quit using "we" in your titles like you speak for everyone in the community. Because you do not.

With the redo of Dyn coming I think they should make it a bit easier to get Relic weapons, One way is to lessen the amount of ancient currency is required to upgrade, this will make it easier for people that want to get Relic weapons( I myself would love to get some then), With the way people set the price of the 100 piece currency and if your like me that doesnt really have a dyn ls that can go after what ya need it'll be much quicker and It would keep players happy.

Thats just my 2 cents...

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Originally Posted by Michaeluk

It's only people like you with empyreans only who don't want relics to be the best @ 99 simply because you guys never got one, sorry you failed at the game.

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I have better things to do with my gil then gain 5% on a parse, esspecially now with them being useless, sorry you wasted your time.

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Originally Posted by Michaeluk

It's only people like you with empyreans only who don't want relics to be the best @ 99 simply because you guys never got one, sorry you failed at the game.

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uuummm making a choice not to spend all that gil on a relic is not really "failing the game"

Would I like a relic? yes, and now that Dynamis is about to be more accessible, I might try and get one. But no way in hell was I wasting all that time for one weapon, I had other things to do ;p

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Originally Posted by Auredant

That's not true..i don't have a relic but am working on it. And I don't think most people necessarily want them to be the best, they just don't want them to be useless.

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This. I fully expected Empyrean to be better, albeit I also expected them to not be something you and your friend do over the weekend. But nonetheless, I'd be content if they were simply comparable.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

I have better things to do with my gil then gain 5% on a parse, esspecially now with them being useless, sorry you wasted your time.

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Isn't wasted till we see what happens at 99. :D

Even if it is at least i know i had something you never did or could get and to me that speaks volume about you nothing but a silly little jealous scrub with a axe to grind because you couldn't get one boo hoo.

Done with this thread now aswell so bicker away all you want. Good day.

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Originally Posted by Macrom

Most pointless post ive seen.

I dont understand why there is an argument over what weapon is gonna be the best at 99

1. we are not even able to get to 99 yet
2. even if relic / mythic is a the best at 99 whats wrong with that?

Not bashing you but enough is enough already.

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The problem with relics and mythics being the best weapons at 99 is that it shuts almost all the casual players out of the part of the lvl 99 content and that isn't fair because casual players enjoy the game just like everyone else. SE needs to give more variety instead just putting in "complete everything in the game" type of rewards.

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Originally Posted by Michaeluk

Isn't wasted till we see what happens at 99. :D

Even if it is at least i know i had something you never did or could get and to me that speaks volume about you nothing but a silly little jealous scrub with a axe to grind because you couldn't get one boo hoo.

Done with this thread now aswell so bicker away all you want. Good day.

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I never required a relic to outparse scrubs who acquired them. Don't believe me? Ask people who know me in game since you seem to know me.

relics and mythics being the best weapons != relics and mythics being the only weapons

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Originally Posted by Michaeluk

It's only people like you with empyreans only who don't want relics to be the best @ 99 simply because you guys never got one, sorry you failed at the game.

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[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] Most people want to enjoy upgrading there weapons not having to wait 2 years begging people to help you. That's Why' relics do not need to be strongest weapons in the game.

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Originally Posted by Neofire

The problem with relics and mythics being the best weapons at 99 is that it shuts almost all the casual players out of the part of the lvl 99 content and that isn't fair because casual players enjoy the game just like everyone else. SE needs to give more variety instead just putting in "complete everything in the game" type of rewards.

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SE has previously stated they intended it to be that way, they dont want everyone to own one. They want only the most dedicated players to have one.

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Originally Posted by Neofire

The problem with relics and mythics being the best weapons at 99 is that it shuts almost all the casual players out of the part of the lvl 99 content and that isn't fair because casual players enjoy the game just like everyone else. SE needs to give more variety instead just putting in "complete everything in the game" type of rewards.

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since when does not having the best equal being shut out of the game? why does everyone want the best of everything easy? Relics are not the impossible thing to obtain that they once seemed. With the changes in dyna upcoming and the faster and easier means of accumulating gil even casual gamers can get one...it will just take them longer. And since "ideally" the emp and relics would be comparable, you wouldn't have to.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

I agree with some of this but ...



On the whole, most AF1 gear was useless the second you obtained it. A lot of it even for macro purposes.

AF1: generally terrible
AF2: generally bad but the majority of new job (BLU/PUP/SCH/DNC) AF was really good
AF3: generally amazing, not sure there is one bad piece. WHM body is probably the closest you'll find.

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SCH emp legs are horrible. ( this af3? i am not good with people using such terms, I am used to people saying af 1= first quest, af2 = second quest, af3 =last quest).

WHM body a lot better then sch legs lol, sch legs +2 is not worth the time of doing them.

A lot of AF where macros and became a lot more useful with af+1
relic and relic +1 where minimal improvement but some did have upgrades but still small.

full timing emp +2 is not smart, they are good, but not that good.

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ATTN DEVS: WE WANT NEW WEAPONS FOR 99 NOT RELICS AND MYTHICS
Post on this if you do not want mythics and relics to be the best 99 weapons in game.

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I don't. I think I can post if i disagree on something like how others do.

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Originally Posted by lorzy

relics and mythics being the best weapons != relics and mythics being the only weapons

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i take it that means =/= too?

anyways what this says, no reason for a 4th set.

unless you want emps to be weak and have some new weapon overpwerform emps but not mythics/ relics

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Originally Posted by Neofire

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] Most people want to enjoy upgrading there weapons not having to wait 2 years begging people to help you. That's Why' relics do not need to be strongest weapons in the game.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

SCH emp legs are horrible. ( this af3? i am not good with people using such terms, I am used to people saying af 1= first quest, af2 = second quest, af3 =last quest).

WHM body a lot better then sch legs lol, sch legs +2 is not worth the time of doing them.

A lot of AF where macros and became a lot more useful with af+1
relic and relic +1 where minimal improvement but some did have upgrades but still small.

full timing emp +2 is not smart, they are good, but not that good.



I don't. I think I can post if i disagree on something like how others do.


i take it that means =/= too?

anyways what this says, no reason for a 4th set.

unless you want emps to be weak and have some new weapon overpwerform emps but not mythics/ relics

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AF1 = artifact gear, from quests in 50s
AF2 = relic armor sets, like Saotome or Wyrm sets
AF3 = empyrean armor set.

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Originally Posted by Michaeluk

Why don't you fuck off. I've been saying this since the first relic threads popped up when the forums first came up you fool. Another no mark scrub who couldn't make a relic so has to try to rubbish other peoples achievements thats all you are.

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youmad?

Edit: Also: thought you were done posting here?

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Originally Posted by Rambus

i take it that means =/= too?

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yes, it means not equal. i don't see at all how whether or not relics and mythics are the best weapons affects the casual player.

so the casual player won't have the BEST weapon in the game. why do they care, if they're a casual player?

i like empyreans. but i certainly won't be sad if they are still powerful, but not the best weapons. why? they didn't actually take that much effort. to me, ideally relics and mythics will be sidegrades or close (for damage; for other jobs they can be very different), and empyreans will be a bit behind.

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Originally Posted by lorzy

yes, it means not equal. i don't see at all how whether or not relics and mythics are the best weapons affects the casual player.

so the casual player won't have the BEST weapon in the game. why do they care, if they're a casual player?

i like empyreans. but i certainly won't be sad if they are still powerful, but not the best weapons. why? they didn't actually take that much effort. to me, ideally relics and mythics will be sidegrades or close (for damage; for other jobs they can be very different), and empyreans will be a bit behind.

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I was tryin to ask that in all the other anti relic threads and never got an answer.
I can say this why it should be there, people that have more time need something to do

lol thats like the tenth time Michaeluk has told someone to F off, easy bud. Did you know the people who are the most unhappy are the most addicted to the game, research has found. That should be reason enough for SE to rethink this whole relic thing. Look at the people you empowering with best weapons. If you need help with your game addiction here is a link to go to. It'll help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U1T9ZumALk

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Originally Posted by Bahamut

lol thats like the tenth time Michaeluk has told someone to F off, easy bud. Did you know the people who are the most unhappy are the most addicted to the game, research has found. That should be reason enough for SE to rethink this whole relic thing. Look at the people you empowering with best weapons. If you need help with your game addiction here is a link to go to. It'll help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U1T9ZumALk

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umm fact/ opinion?
Where is the proof if fact?

see lorzy this is what I mean, dogged the question again

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Originally Posted by Rambus

umm fact/ opinion?
Where is the proof if fact?

see lorzy this is what I mean, doged the question again

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uh i think he was joking lol

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Originally Posted by Bahamut

lol thats like the tenth time Michaeluk has told someone to F off, easy bud. Did you know the people who are the most unhappy are the most addicted to the game, research has found. That should be reason enough for SE to rethink this whole relic thing. Look at the people you empowering with best weapons. If you need help with your game addiction here is a link to go to. It'll help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U1T9ZumALk

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At last you make a funny post /calp fellow galka.

I'd only ever tell someone that who was asking for it, after all did you see his inital hostile post to me, so i returned the favour and spoke to him like a piece of crap.

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Originally Posted by lorzy

uh i think he was joking lol

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oh, i see, I dont know how to see joke/ real statement here><

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Originally Posted by lorzy

yes, it means not equal. i don't see at all how whether or not relics and mythics are the best weapons affects the casual player.

so the casual player won't have the BEST weapon in the game. why do they care, if they're a casual player?

i like empyreans. but i certainly won't be sad if they are still powerful, but not the best weapons. why? they didn't actually take that much effort. to me, ideally relics and mythics will be sidegrades or close (for damage; for other jobs they can be very different), and empyreans will be a bit behind.

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That's how it should be in my eyes, but a lot of people seem to disagree for some unknown reason.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

oh, i see, I dont know how to see joke/ real statement here><

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Rambus is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok

You remind me of this guy Rambus.

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Originally Posted by Michaeluk

Why don't you fuck off. I've been saying this since the first relic threads popped up when the forums first came up you fool. Another no mark scrub who couldn't make a relic so has to try to rubbish other peoples achievements thats all you are.

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your acting like a relic is so hard and special to make, its not..... it just takes alot of gil and time.