FFXIV A Realm Reborn

Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn

As I see more and more videos of FFXIV, I'm seeing a lot of details, things we have been asking for in FF11 for years.

Icons are displayed in front of you, obviously better than macros. After using a skill or ability, the recast timer of that is shown on the icon.

Standing still HP & MP not only refreshes, but at a couple of seconds unlike us who sit and wait.

Anyone have the opportunity to play 14, can you share with us some other details from in game experience? How are the improvements compared to the disaster when it was first released?

Watching videos on YouTube is starting to put a spark of interest in my eye from Job Gear designs, weapons, multiple jobs, Beautiful CS vids, Unique monsters, unique and different spells. The game looks much more fantasy that we grew up to love than the realistic real world type of FF13 and the movie spirits within.

And the fact that everyone seems to have a higher HP/MP allowing players to solo play as well as party with others much more effectively.

Been thinking about dumping this game and moving on to XIV, it depends on the reviews though. If it's like pre-Abyssea FFXI, count me out.

Thank you for this post, there are so many FFXI players that are bad mouthing this game, because of the stuff it has that XI doesn't, even though they have been begging for it. I think they are really upset XIV got it, but they didn't. The game is 100 times better since it's original release. The part about the rapid mp recovery for BLM is pretty a nifty little mechanic they put in, Blizzard deals ice damage, slows the enemy, and puts a buff on you that decreases your fire damage cast, but increases you mp regen through the roof, you can chain cast Blizzard non-stop and your mp will never go empty. Casting Fire spells on the other hand will replace your buff with a new one that increases your damage from fire spells, but stops your mp regen, so you can chain cast fire until you are low mp, then swap to blizzard to regen your mp, while tossing in other spells along the way, like thunder in XIV is a dot type spell. The quest driven storyline is great, with easy to identify and follow quests it makes leveling part of the story, a lot of it being soloable, but for things like dungeons that will require a party to take on, you can not only find groups, but there will be a Duty Finder that you will be able to use, that will pair you with players from your or other servers, so no more standing around town shouting for a group. Oh and how about Chocobos, they get armor, they have their own talent tress, tanking healing or damage dealing, because your chocobo will be able to go into battle with you. As far as crafting goes, you have a log book that holds all your recipies, something I know was really wanted in XI.

I didnt play 1.0 but I did play Gladiator, Monk and Thaumaturge recently and I was impressed. They made WS combo-able sorta If you open with fast blade and close with savage blade you get a enmity boost (savage blade itself experiences a damage buff and deals more damage than normal) or you can opt to close with Riot Blade that restores MP. The guild quest for a Gladiator also had you learning about the job, one such quest had you clearing enemies while keeping hate off your NPC healer and I imagine it's similar for the other jobs as well. The game actually made me want to be a tank.

Monk I didn't get as far quest wise as my Gladiator but basically each WS puts you in a different stance that confers bonuses on the next WS you perform (provided the next WS is enhanced with the stance you are currently in).

I noticed on Thaumaturge that different DoT instances of Thunder actually stacked and didn't break sleep and that the added effect of gravity on blizzard spells (and the fact that it is your first spell) hints that they intend to have Mages be able to kite nuke sleep and DoT right out the gate.

Also you can attack other players mobs and if you contribute enough you can have that kill count towards your Hunting Log (its basically a GoV you take with you) or count towards a quest you flagged as well as be awarded EXP. However only the initial claimer and their party can receive any spoils from the kill.

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Originally Posted by Mifaco

Been thinking about dumping this game and moving on to XIV, it depends on the reviews though. If it's like pre-Abyssea FFXI, count me out.

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FFXIV:ARR isn't anything like XI, the only familiar things are the races and even then there is more selection and will possibly have more added in expansions. The battle system is totally different, you don't auto-attack for TP, you can't gear swap at all, mages can recover MP in battle as explained above, there are Limit-breaks, archers don't consume arrows and can attack while moving, you can jump at will, your chocobo can fight with you, you can name your chocobo, you can level it up, you can have it attack/heal/combo, you can build armour sets to switch at the click of a button-just not in battle, you can hide your armour with the costume tab(not in beta) and while wearing your battle gear your costume will show in its place, everyone can teleport and warp from Lv1 and it doesn't require mp, free companies the end of tyrant LS leaders, Linkshells are now "chat channels" and are not displayed to anyone, NPC prices are very very very low, very low, you get where im going?, Market boards! goodbye hidden-price-AH, retainers-your own mules 24/7 online while your offline(or on), i could go on but running out of text.
Oh, and you can ALT+Tab while in fullscreen and run more than 1 instance of ARR on 1 pc.

I played FFXIV 1.0 and ARR. The best way to find out if you like it or not is just sign up for the beta and try it out for yourself. Even playing the first few levels the questing is nice has actual storyline. Theres a lot of cutscenes that will remind you of the older FF games.

For party exp you do dungeons. The gameplay is a lot faster and more action packed in that you will be using a lot more spells and abilities.

FFXIV has very very little to do with FFXI, if anything.
Wether this is good or bad I guess it depends on many factors.

I've been playing and following FFXIV since 1.0 Alpha. My opinion is that FFXIV ARR is undoubtely a good game and that's out of question.
It's not necessarily what FFXI fans may be wanting to play though.
Aside from its undeniable quality, it's moved a bit too much towards the "theme park" model, compared to the "Sandbox" one (not like FFXI or original FFXIV were sandbox, but closer to that than Theme Park I'd say).
It just feels too much like any other nowadays MMO, it follows its criteria, its standards.
This is good if you're part of the mass and want to move from your current MMO to FFXIV (this was probably their goal), but it's less good if you were looking for something unique and different from anything else.
You're going to get disappointed if this is what you look for, or some sort of legacy after FFXI.

Despite these issues it's a good game though. Just be warned that it has little to do with FFXI.

I have to disagree, but agree with Zhronne - It's different from FFXI besides the mobs and classes etc, but it's also different to every other MMO out there, and more so if you use the controller. It does feel like the XI world completely, same mobs, same environments, even the same music somewhat (different tunes, same feel) but it has its differences that make it stand out as a new game and not just an FFXI HD Remastered edition which I know a lot of people actually wanted from XIV. I think personally this game has to be seen/played to know if it's right for you but it is definitely worth checking out, even if you don't like it just to say you've tried. I think a few truly dedicated XI fans will be against it for the sake of being against it but the majority will enjoy it, but you have to keep an open mind and accept it's not an XI remake.

I heard there are no subjobs. This sounds pretty good. If we had no subjobs on FFXI then jobs such as Redmage would probably still be popular. Any other things people can share about the new changes?

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Originally Posted by Daemon

I heard there are no subjobs. This sounds pretty good. If we had no subjobs on FFXI then jobs such as Redmage would probably still be popular. Any other things people can share about the new changes?

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Its called cross class abilities. In a place of a subjob. As you level up your classes they gain a certain amount of abilities/spells that may be shared with other classes/jobs. Most of the strong or class defining abilities can't be used on another class or job. Only certain things are tagged for cross class use.

In FFXIV there are classes and jobs. For example Gladiator at level 30 can do a quest to unlock Paladin. There is an equipment slot where you equip a job stone to change from class to job.

At level 50 classes can equip 10 different cross class skills/spells from any of the classes. A job at level 50 can equip 5 cross class abilities and is limited to 2 preselected classes. Paladin can only use stuff from conjurer(whm), and marauder(war) for example. But as a job they get 5 unique skills/spells, access to job specific gear, AF, relic weapon ect. Overall jobs are stronger then classes by a large amount are more geared for party play, but using a class can make you more versatile and possibly easier to solo stuff.

I see many FFXI players giving up on FF14 when they get tired of that WoW combat system. FFXI combat system is slower but much more relaxing and strategic. Well see you guys back here after 1-2 months like it happened at 1.0.

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Originally Posted by Spectreman

Well see you guys back here after 1-2 months like it happened at 1.0.

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I'm doubtful, because FFXI is losing members faster than ever right now thanks to many problems we have which I explained in another thread, and will post here if you would like. Back when the original FFXIV came out this game was not doing nearly as bad. We basically just got an expansion, one which with it came hope, and instead of bringing, basically, a new golden age for the game, it brought chaos, anger, and a loss of many players already. We are told all the time that they lack manpower to do some things, that's why we have a long list of things over due which we were promised months ago, or even a few years ago. What happens to FFXI if its lacking this much manpower, and then on top of, say, 10% of the player base quitting because of what the expansion brought, another 20~30% quit because FFXIV comes out?

This game is sadly digging itself into a grave right now, and SE is giving us little hope for the future in my opinion because we still have yet to see them keep promises made long ago. Unless they can start to get out of the pit they have been digging to serve as the grave for this game then I am sure many people will simply go to FFXIV to try it out, see what its like, and if for some reason they choose to leave it alone, they probably wont look back at this game either. In all honesty, who can blame anyone who does though? We are told no on almost everything we ask for, or given no response, on things we do get a yes for we are often left waiting months or years to hear on progress and in some cases end up getting nothing in the end. Even the most simple of changes seem to take them a long time, for instance, the Storage update, we finally got recently, after it was announced how long ago? I think it was more than a year since the announcement, but something that should have been so fast and easy took them that long. Who would willingly and knowingly walk back into that kind of service after they left it?

I admit, I would quit FFXI if it were not for the fact I have a lot of friends I would hate to leave behind and I like the game for the most part, but when FFXIV comes around, I will not be on here any more, because its just not worth it. We have been let down by the ones running the game, I think Matsui did a good job at trying to clean some things up and made mistakes in other places. In either case, no amount of effort has been enough to fix my issues, instead things are getting worse, so I will most likely be taking my leave unless soon something vastly changes.

This month we are supposed to have a large update, 10 days left for them to get that done, still little info besides Skirmish, gear levels, and RUN/GEO AF/Merits, for a large update, that's nothing to me, Skirmish of which being the only thing I truly care about. FFXIV comes out on PC in August, that gives them roughly 2 months from right now to fix FFXI to a state of keeping its players, I personally do not think they can or will do it, why? Because, with the release of a game coming, they will probably take even more resources making sure everything goes well and fine in the first few weeks or months, giving this game even less man power, our biggest problem, and the cause of many things we have yet to see so far as were told.

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Originally Posted by Zhronne

It's not necessarily what FFXI fans may be wanting to play though.

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This. I at one point was getting sick of seeing "this game will fail because it didn't copy <insert aspect/system/design> from FFXI" during the second phase of beta. Don't treat XIV as a replacement for XI, but rather as its own game. I'll admit I border on breaking that rule since XIV to me is SE's second chance at getting RDM right instead of f*cking it up royally like they did here, but still.

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Originally Posted by Spectreman

I see many FFXI players giving up on FF14 when they get tired of that WoW combat system. FFXI combat system is slower but much more relaxing and strategic. Well see you guys back here after 1-2 months like it happened at 1.0.

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lol bitter much?

Maybe you aren't, but you come off that way. Let's not forget one of the reasons 1.0 did poorly was BECAUSE it wasn't a "WoW clone". Tanaka tried to do his own thing and it largely blew up in his face.

There is nothing wrong with streamlining a game. It's the MMO standard today. If they made another XI, it'd be dead on arrival, that's for sure. The market is with this generation MMO, not 10 years ago.

I urge you to participate in the game before suggesting that combat in XIV is not strategic. XI's combat system being "relaxing" is an opinion at best; I find it frustratingly slow and punishing, especially trying to solo things. No I don't want mobs to die fast and easy, but a little more goes a long way.

That said, even with 1.0's failure, I didn't come back to XI until March of this year, when we were inbetween Beta phases for ARR. I didn't flock back after two months. I let this one go. As much as I love this game (played for 9yrs), I do not have the time to drop as I once did. Even doing things like gathering a group for VW can take around 2hrs just to fill an alliance. XIV, I can log in, whack some mobs or do some quests, get a proper reward of exp and gil, and log out if I so please.

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Originally Posted by Spectreman

I see many FFXI players giving up on FF14 when they get tired of that WoW combat system. FFXI combat system is slower but much more relaxing and strategic. Well see you guys back here after 1-2 months like it happened at 1.0.

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You'll see us back to celebrate the end of service for FFXI :)

I sure wont miss waiting 2 hours to get 18 people together for 1 battle or 40 minutes of farming.

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Originally Posted by Vil

Maybe you aren't, but you come off that way. Let's not forget one of the reasons 1.0 did poorly was BECAUSE it wasn't a "WoW clone". Tanaka tried to do his own thing and it largely blew up in his face.

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The problem isn't that it was trying to be different from WoW, the main problem with 1.0 was that it was designed obtusely. Sometimes I think a lot of the big XIV supporters forget how mind-numbingly horrible 1.0 was. Stuff like not-copypasted terrain, more than ~10 quests every 70 hours and being able to vendor my inventory in less than 3 whole minutes arn't about "streamlining your game for filthy casuals", it's about designing your game with a shred of common sense.

XIV looks incredible, graphically, but there is little to distinguish it now gameplay-wise from just about every single other MMO that copied WoW, including many free ones. The FF name is going to help it sell, of course, but I don't think he's necessarily wrong that the game isn't going to attract a ton of MMO fans because a lot of them are tired of the WoW model (which is why so many people flock to EVE online since that's the only sandbox anymore).

I was very firm on my view of FFXIV 1.0 I thought it was complete and utter crap, and the only reason it had a single soul left playing it was because those players were people desperate for the game to succeed. Period.


I got a beta invite and while the game is still in beta and 2 months from release, I'll just say that I have already per-ordered the collectors edition. It won't make me quit FFXI, ever, though SE can, but it's definitely going to get to share my free time. It's shaping up to be that good. Maybe that's because I never played WoW. Whatever. But it's shaping up to be that good to ME, and that's really all that matters. I'm ready for a next gen FF MMO, but I ain't ready to leave everything I've done in nearly 9 years in FFXI. I just hope I have enough time to support both.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Its called cross class abilities. In a place of a subjob. As you level up your classes they gain a certain amount of abilities/spells that may be shared with other classes/jobs. Most of the strong or class defining abilities can't be used on another class or job. Only certain things are tagged for cross class use.

In FFXIV there are classes and jobs. For example Gladiator at level 30 can do a quest to unlock Paladin. There is an equipment slot where you equip a job stone to change from class to job.

At level 50 classes can equip 10 different cross class skills/spells from any of the classes. A job at level 50 can equip 5 cross class abilities and is limited to 2 preselected classes. Paladin can only use stuff from conjurer(whm), and marauder(war) for example. But as a job they get 5 unique skills/spells, access to job specific gear, AF, relic weapon ect. Overall jobs are stronger then classes by a large amount are more geared for party play, but using a class can make you more versatile and possibly easier to solo stuff.

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This is how it worked in 1.0 and let me tell you, I was disappointed with the idea that advanced jobs were limited to what classes they could choose from. Paladin, as in Zumi's example, could only equip from CNJ and MRD, which meant it lost access to good abilities like Second Wind which was basically a really good Chakra on a 45s CD. Instant cast heal good for 33-50% of your health... huge loss.

I think I spent more time on GLA (the base class) than on PLD for that flaw alone.

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Maybe you aren't, but you come off that way. Let's not forget one of the reasons 1.0 did poorly was BECAUSE it wasn't a "WoW clone". Tanaka tried to do his own thing and it largely blew up in his face.

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They said, specifically, their only goal was to be different from FFXI. 1.0 failed because their only gameplan was to be different. They'd've probably been a marvelous success if they had taken what was best about XI and gone from there.

Every game company has this delusion that they'll get wow's fabled ELEVENTY ZILLION PLAYERS, and they won't. It will never happen again.

If MMOs are a drug, WoW came on the scene when your only other options were battery acid and gasoline. They provided a smooth, fun, experience when everybody else was trying to favor the hardcore-obsessed.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

This is how it worked in 1.0 and let me tell you, I was disappointed with the idea that advanced jobs were limited to what classes they could choose from. Paladin, as in Zumi's example, could only equip from CNJ and MRD, which meant it lost access to good abilities like Second Wind which was basically a really good Chakra on a 45s CD. Instant cast heal good for 33-50% of your health... huge loss.

I think I spent more time on GLA (the base class) than on PLD for that flaw alone.

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You forgot to mention that with loosing Second wind, you also gained access to paladin only skills, weapons and armor, an ability that would heal others when you recieved healing, your own heal that you could cast on your self, or it would heal you for half the hps healed if you used on someone else, hallowed ground, nullifies most damage (wouldn't block astral flow type moves), cover, and the best emnity generating weaponskill in the game. Your Af armor returned mp whenever you blocked with your shield, your relic shield had refresh, and your relic sword proc'd mp back, so it was very difficult to run out of mp, meaning not having second wind wasn't that big of deal, and they said jobs were more party based, classes were more for solo, so if you were tanking in a group, you would have had a healer there anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kincard

XIV looks incredible, graphically, but there is little to distinguish it now gameplay-wise from just about every single other MMO that copied WoW, including many free ones. The FF name is going to help it sell, of course, but I don't think he's necessarily wrong that the game isn't going to attract a ton of MMO fans because a lot of them are tired of the WoW model (which is why so many people flock to EVE online since that's the only sandbox anymore).

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There are a good chunk of people who want to jump ship from WoW but can't because contenders are either rushed into release (under the old "they'll put up with the game until we can get all the features in post-release" developer fallacy), fail to live up to the hype, have a crapton of other issues aside from missing systems (TOR), or are simply built on weak IPs. It's not as black and white as you seem to think it is.

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Originally Posted by Vizzer

You forgot to mention that with loosing Second wind, you also gained access to paladin only skills, weapons and armor, an ability that would heal others when you recieved healing, your own heal that you could cast on your self, or it would heal you for half the hps healed if you used on someone else, hallowed ground, nullifies most damage (wouldn't block astral flow type moves), cover, and the best emnity generating weaponskill in the game. Your Af armor returned mp whenever you blocked with your shield, your relic shield had refresh, and your relic sword proc'd mp back, so it was very difficult to run out of mp, meaning not having second wind wasn't that big of deal, and they said jobs were more party based, classes were more for solo, so if you were tanking in a group, you would have had a healer there anyway.

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Sounds like PLD certainly improved after I left.

Still, losing an instant cast powerful ability like that sucked, but I guess Paladin made up for it later on.

Those were the abilities paladin always had, the only thing that wasn't added in same patch as the job itself were the relic sword and shield. Warrior was just so overpowered as a tank/damage dealer when they implemented it that the community shyed away from paladins, and very few people saw how good they actually could be until the relic quests were put in, and Warrior's steal cyclone was brought down to where it should have been from the start. I never tanked Coincounter on Warrior, it worked just fine, you just had to dodge the big moves, but with paladin, you could stand there and block it, and that fight, having the mages out of aoe range and away from slugs was helpful, so the less the boss moved, the more stable the fight.

Linkshells were always intended as a chat system only. Players used them to make up their own end game systems for lotting and such (so thats where your tyrant end game Ls leaders come from). Other games have guilds and a system with in them, but i havent played many other MMOs.

Only thing XIV has that I want in XI is a functional Sprint skill.

XI's had a /sprint command for years courtesy of Conflict, but the devs never bothered letting us use it freely on a cooldown outside.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

There are a good chunk of people who want to jump ship from WoW but can't because contenders are either rushed into release (under the old "they'll put up with the game until we can get all the features in post-release" developer fallacy), fail to live up to the hype, have a crapton of other issues aside from missing systems (TOR), or are simply built on weak IPs. It's not as black and white as you seem to think it is.

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I dunno, LOTRO, Guild Wars 2, and many other MMOs are very high-quality games, IMO. The problem has always had more to do with the nature of how MMOs work (designed to be played to the exclusion of everything else, people want to stick with their friends, etc) rather than anything especially wrong with what the games are doing.

I mean, I'm not really embarrassed to admit that part of the reason XI keeps drawing me back despite many other gmaes is because I've put so much time to my character that I've become "connected" to the little chipmonk-dwarf. That'll really help their XI players transfer over to XIV, but I dunno how well that'll bode for XIV in the general market.

While I think in total ARR is an improvement on 1.0, I can't help but feel the battle system lost some strategy.

Most of the time I feel like I'm spamming abilities almost mindlessly (on monk anyway) because battles move so fast, there's no time to stop and think "what skill would be really effective here?".

I also find it difficult to really notice some enfeeble effects. For example Archer can Venom an enemy but whether this does any noticeable damage I have no idea because again the battles are so quick I can just spam my hot bar until it dies.

I think this system is appealing at first, it looks flashy and cool but what I love about ffxi is that with some battles you have to make important decisions and in some cases a bad decision will make you die.

I see people hung up on XIVs battle system. Let's look at XIs flawless system real quick. Take the current highest tier content, delve.

Paladin > Stand and get knocked around for 45 minutes.
Healers > Pro/shell/cure/erase/haste
DD > Auto Attack until 100%tp then ws.
Corsair > Hunter's Roll, Chaos Roll, Evoker's Roll, 7 minute nap
BRD > Minuet/Madrigal/March Elegy pull, lullaby.

Things that are missing: Skillchains, magic bursts, weaknesses, etc, etc.

In reality, all anyone is really clinging on to is "I've spent 'X' many years in this game."

I've played the beta last weekend and this weekend. I'll be switching to XIV in August. XIV has potential, XI is bleeding out.

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Originally Posted by Deifact

While I think in total ARR is an improvement on 1.0, I can't help but feel the battle system lost some strategy.

Most of the time I feel like I'm spamming abilities almost mindlessly (on monk anyway) because battles move so fast, there's no time to stop and think "what skill would be really effective here?".

I also find it difficult to really notice some enfeeble effects. For example Archer can Venom an enemy but whether this does any noticeable damage I have no idea because again the battles are so quick I can just spam my hot bar until it dies.

I think this system is appealing at first, it looks flashy and cool but what I love about ffxi is that with some battles you have to make important decisions and in some cases a bad decision will make you die.

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First you are basing an entire game off of 20 levels of a beta, and second what battles in XI require you to make important decisions, the biggest decision I see people making during delve content, is what to watch on TV while they are there.

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Originally Posted by Vizzer

First you are basing an entire game off of 20 levels of a beta, and second what battles in XI require you to make important decisions, the biggest decision I see people making during delve content, is what to watch on TV while they are there.

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Not really true...My biggest decision was to level THM or CNJ on the beta while in delve. TV is overrated.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I'll admit I border on breaking that rule since XIV to me is SE's second chance at getting RDM right instead of f*cking it up royally like they did here, but still.

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Lol sad to say this but I know how you feel about RDM, however, did they even implement RDM in 14? O.o

They don't have a red mage in XIV, and with their current system, it would be tricky to implement it. Right now there are disciples of war and magic, disciples of war do not get access to damaging spells, and disciples of magic do not get access to weaponskills, not saying that it won't happen in the future, but if they do, it will be with their XIV spin on it, just have to wait and hope and see.

I guess conjurer is kinda RDM-ish.. since it gets curing and nuke (stone) and debuff (aero is a dot).

I dont know how much detail I can actually go into due to NDAs, but I can say that having been a veteran XI player for many years, XIV is certainly a breath of fresh air.

What I can (and will) say about XIV is:
*The GFX are amazing
*music is great (and even after many many hours of hearing it its not grating on me yet.. unlike XI's music quickly does) *the lore and storyline is immense, quests actually have a sense of purpose (I'm actually wanting to read the text - its short but still gives storyline unlike TOAU/WOTG /disgust)
*xp is integrated in with the entire system and even doing quests gives xp making the whole system very fluid and appealing to new players (unlike XI's get to lv 10, burn pages for 20+ levels and/or burn in aby and then be so badly gimp on gear and skill you have to spend even longer griding to be even semi-useful)
*many quests give gear (relevant to the level the quest is available ie lv15 gear for a lv15 quest) so having to scrape by with paultry offerings on a neglected AH isnt necessary
*crafting is intuitive and actually takes some thought
*while the battle system may seem a little babyish in the lower levels to an experienced MMO player, the higher level content, especially party content, is where it shines the best - keep in mind the game is designed to also ease in people who may not have played an MMO before.. something XI fails at miserably.
*The PS3 version actually plays like a real PS3 game.. not like some shoddy port. The controls are simply amazing and so easy to pick up (and functional!) that it really is very easy to play on a console! And this is coming from an avid PC-only-down-with-consoles! XI player. The only drawback is the PS3 software keyboard but I learnt a standard PC kb works on XIV anyway lol.

So yea.. I've officially buried my poor Tarutaru and gave him a nice funeral service, and my Lalafell is lala-laughing all the way to my bank account as I pre-order the CE of XIV and leave XI behind before my fond memories are any more tainted by the shite this game is dishing up

NDA is now limited to not posting videos and sound. Pictures or any type of information is fine to toss out to the world.

If anything the job class Musketeer might be XIV's RDM. Well it's melee side at least (that fencing thing).

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Originally Posted by Vizzer

First you are basing an entire game off of 20 levels of a beta, and second what battles in XI require you to make important decisions, the biggest decision I see people making during delve content, is what to watch on TV while they are there.

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Well I had my 1.0 characters this weekend, so around level ~45. And my post is just my opinion, based largely on FFXI content outside of herp derp delve, or even Abyssea etc., since people seem to forget there is a lot of game out there outside of these events.

I'm sure come release there will be battles that require kiting or hate management etc. but from what I've seen so far, we won't be seeing the same amount of variety in battle strategy as is available in FFXI. Maybe when the game reaches its 11th birthday.

Honestly RDM being my favorite job in all of FF is the only reason why I have any doubt of getting FFXIV, if it had that, I would be 100% on it, without it, not sure what job I will even want to play as a main job anymore. : /

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Honestly RDM being my favorite job in all of FF is the only reason why I have any doubt of getting FFXIV, if it had that, I would be 100% on it, without it, not sure what job I will even want to play as a main job anymore. : /

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In all seriousness, really the only thing lacking from conjurer vs rdm is the sword/enspell part. you can still solo quite well, heal buff, nuke, dot etc

XIV's version of "subjob" means you could even play a melee class and use several conjurer spells/abilities. The possibilities of combining skills from all different classes to completely customise the character to the situation/playstyle means that you dont feel "boxed in" like you do on XI a lot.. not to mention the ability to change jobs on the spot simply just by changing your main hand wep means real diversity (and no more annoying wasting 30-60 min waiting on ppl to run to their mh to change jobs!!!)

Waiting on a party member? not a problem! slap on your goldsmithing mallet and instantly swap to GSM and craft while waiting (and visably earn xp towards that next level, unlike XI's over-reliance on crappy random number generators, and that low chance of a .1 skill up.... -.-) Or maybe you could swap to miner and use "lay of the land" to be told exactly how far and in which direction the nearest mining point is! O and with mining/logging you can actually CHOOSE exactly what item you want to harvest.. not be held at ransom by random loot pools!

The content was only about up to level 20, they had higher level enemies, but no quests and high level dungeons, because it is beta, and the main point of this last weekend was to do a run at transferring over 1.0 character data, and seeing how the fixes for things found last week were working. As for battles not needing strategy, did you run any of the dungeons, like having to kite the slimes in copperbell mines while someone spawned the bombs, then you had to kill the enemies trying to kill the bombs, so they would self destruct, while you kited the slimes into the blast range, causing the slimes to split until they were small enough to be killed? And that was a level 15 dungeon, and if you read the posts from the devs, they plan to up the difficulty and battle mechanics as you get higher levels, the early levels are more for turorial, and also to help introduce players to the mmorpg type of game, because they understand not every has played mmo's for the last 10 years. All the enemies you saw up around 45, were nothing but trash mobs, I don't remember any trash mobs in XI that required some elaborate strategy to kill. And I'm guessing you didn't play towards the end of the original XIV 1.20-1.23 where the mechanics were upped a ton with primal fights, Aurum Vale, Cutter's Cry, and the White Raven fight.

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Originally Posted by Mayoyama

In all seriousness, really the only thing lacking from conjurer vs rdm is the sword/enspell part. you can still solo quite well, heal buff, nuke, dot etc

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Yeah but the melee aspect is part of what I love most about RDM, I built my only Relic and Emp for RDM on FFXI and have always done my best to melee when possible. Taking that part out of the job just kind of kills it for me in a way. It would not really feel like my favorite job, just a cheap knockoff, like a SCH or something similar probably, and in that case, I would probably end up playing SCH since it was announced recently I thought.

FFXIV ARR is amazing!

It's different than XI though, the pace is much faster, but it's also more fun in my opinion. Some Screen shots I have. I'll post the Screen shots in a min.