http://twitter.com/TheTokyoPost/japa...quake-coverage
A couple of recent tweets of import:
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Electricity restored at Fukushima reactor No. 2
36 minutes ago
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Rain may force Tepco to cut power
23 minutes ago
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http://twitter.com/TheTokyoPost/japa...quake-coverage
A couple of recent tweets of import:
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Electricity restored at Fukushima reactor No. 2
36 minutes ago
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Rain may force Tepco to cut power
23 minutes ago
Rain may force Tepco to cut power
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Although scheduled weekend power outages were averted, rain may cause some in the Kanto region to spend a few hours of Monday's national holiday without electricity, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Sunday.
Tepco Executive Vice President Takashi Fujimoto said there would be no blackouts Monday morning, but that there might be cuts in the afternoon. "There is a chance that demand for power may rise (Monday afternoon)," Fujimoto said, adding that the company will decide by noon whether to go ahead with blackouts.
Tepco projected that supply will match demand at 34 million kw between the peak time of 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. Monday, when rain is expected to increase the use of electrical appliances.
Tepco said it received about 7,200 calls Sunday from customers asking about the outages, with some complaining that their power was cut twice a day last week.
Rolling blackouts will start as scheduled between Tuesday and Friday, he said.
Meanwhile, Tepco said it is not planning to add Chiyoda, Chuo and Minato wards to the list of blackout areas in the capital because those central districts are home to key government offices and other important facilities.
Requesting a mod to lock this thread, to avoid it being cluttered by trollers, and @sshats.
Also, heres a good site from the TEPCO power company to keep a watch on: http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp...e/index-e.html
If they lock the thread it will just drop off the front page and no one will see it.
Preepmtively locking threads because you THINK an "@sshat" will post in them is a bad idea, as well.
All that aside, it's good to find some actually useful resources for information. Though with the situation @ the nuke plant appearing to be improving, I'm more concerned about the 400k people displaced by the tsunami.
maybe i was thinking more of a sticky, then?
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02.27 At a press conference with the Ministry of Defence, it was revealed that continued readings taken by helicopter above units 1-6 showed surface temperatures to be below 100 degrees. This is important data that reinforces the possibility that water is landing in the spent fuel pools and cooling the reactors. Unit 1 = 58C, unit 2= 35C, unit 3 = 62C, unit 4 = 42C, unit 5 = 24C and unit 6 =25C. 100 degrees C is the boiling point of water, so temperatures above this are dangerous because it means the water will evaporate and increase the risk of dry fuel rods – a dire situation that would release a lot of radiation.
EDIT: Thread title changed to reflect fact that others are adding updates from other sources as well. Thanks for the contributions guys!
not progressing as quickly as we had originally hoped, but progress is progressQuote:
01.10 TEPCO have succeeded in connecting a new external power cable to units 1 and 2. They will undergo inspection today (20th) to check the pump and valves in order to ensure they function. TEPCO is also aiming to restore power to units 3-6 after March 20th. They are calling it their ‘trump card’ in the battle to cool the troubled reactors. However, it is still unknown whether or not the cooling systems can be restored due to the damage they have sustained from the seawater. NISA has said that after restoring power, work will first begin on the meters and gauges, followed by the reactor cooling system and finally the spent fuel pool cooling system.
What all this have to do with FFXI? Why MOD keep this thread open, not even related with FFXI, plus your Twitter site is so wrong, last night you came in forum saying how they had 19,000 dead when it was say in every news that was 7,000 and 12k missing. I am sorry but can we get ride of false info and get back on FFXI subject?... As much as SE is in japan, i doubt TEPCO have anything to do with SE plus there already multiple thread talking about it.
Ilax, from what I figure, this thread is more or less an amalgamation of the issues going on in Japan at the moment. And from NHK news, the 'suspected' dead and/or missing count is approxametly 18-20K. Now being that the missing have not been found in a few more days, and they don't get water...their going to possibly die from dehidration and exposer. TEPCO supplies Tokyo with power (along with 3 other Nuclear reactors), and SE's headquarters are in Tokyo.
The game servers etc run on electricity. Of course its related to FFXI. Obviously a number of us are interested so whats the problem?
Still have nothing to do with the game, can call me whatever you wan about it, i doubt SE open this forum on this purpose. Just getting tire to all the Mr.Jowbloe to talk about it with false info or non-accurate one. I think we already read news enough to have to read it again on SE forum.
I can understand SE is in middle of crisis, but i doubt it have anything helpful for the game, and as i stated is ok to have a thread talking about it, but multiple thread flooding forum with the same information is in my opinion overacted and by far problematic more then useful.
Seriously keep my first language out of this.. There many more topic we could talk, like food poisoning by radiation they detected, should we do another thread about it?
I mean give me a break, you seem to just wan avoid my complain, i don't care if there 1 thread talking about it , is just lately they multiply. I don't care to be honest, if is what MOD/SE/DEV wan i can create about 10 more thread about Japan crisis.
I apologize if I sounded mean, cruel, or like a jerk, I did not mean to. The way you came across, to me, was just trolling on your first post. I am also not attacking your first language (I don't even know what it is..) and think everyone should learn more than one language in their life.
I did not make this thread, I contributed to it, and since RAIST seems to gather his information from directly Japanese media, I figured I would help out, as any foreign media, has either been completely wrong, biased, deeply opinionated, or just plain fear mongering.
Get your information from Japanese websites, they are usually more correct than any other media source.
This thread does have contribution to FFXI, as it alerts players of what is going on currently for FFXI, power wise. Yes, we know SE never actually lost power, but the blackouts may affect them, as they are not currently in the "excluded" wards.
This matter is of importance to FFXI and it's players, because the more the power situation improves, the sooner services can be restored.
Press Releases
Press Release (Mar 20,2011)
Plant Status of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (as of 6:00 PM Mar 20th)
Press Release (Mar 20, 2011)
Plant Status of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (as of 6:00 PM Mar 20th)
*new items are underlined
All 6 units of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station have been shut down.
Unit 1(Shut down)
- Reactor has been shut down. However, the explosive sound and white
smoke were confirmed after the big quake occurred at 3:36PM Mar 12th.
It was assumed to be hydrogen explosion.
- We have been injecting sea water into the reactor pressure vessel.
Unit 2(Shut down)
- Reactor has been shut down and the level of reactor coolant had dropped
and the reactor pressure had increased because the Reactor Core
Isolation Cooling System stopped. Measures were taken to lower
the pressure within the Reactor Containment Vessel and to inject
sea water into the Reactor while carefully confirming safety. The level
of reactor coolant and the pressure of the Reactor resumed.
- At approximately 6:00AM on March 15, 2011, an abnormal noise began
emanating from nearby Pressure Suppression Chamber and the pressure
within this chamber decreased.
- We completed receiving electricity from the external transmission
line up to the auxiliary transformer. We installed the power cable from
the transformer to the temporary power panel. At 3: 46 PM, March 20th,
we started energizing the load-side power panel.- We have been injecting sea water into the reactor pressure vessel.
Unit 3(Shut down)
- Reactor has been shut down. However, the explosive sound and white
smoke were confirmed at 11:01AM Mar 14th. It was assumed to be hydrogen
explosion.
- At 8:30AM on March 16th, fog like steam was confirmed arising from
the reactor building.
- At approximately 6:15AM on March 17th the pressure of the Suppression
Chamber has temporarily increased. We were preparing to implement
a measurement to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment vessel
(partial discharge of air containing radioactive material to outside)
in order to fully secure safety. However, at present, it is not a
situation to take a measure immediately to discharge air containing
radioactive material to outside now. We will continue to monitor
the status of the pressure of the reactor containment vessel.
- We are working on receiving external power supply to Units 3 and 4.
- We have been injecting sea water into the reactor pressure vessel.
Unit 4(outage due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down. However, at approximately 6AM on
March 15th. We have confirmed the explosive sound and the sustained
damage around the 5th floor rooftop area of the Nuclear Reactor
Building.
- On March 15th and 16th, we respectively confirmed the outbreak of fire
at the 4th floor of the northwestern part of the Nuclear Reactor
Building. We immediately reported this matter to the fire department
and the related authorities. TEPCO employees confirmed that each fire
had already died down by itself.
- At this moment, we do not consider any reactor coolant leakage inside
the reactor containment vessel happened.
Unit 5(outage due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and the sufficient level of reactor coolant
to ensure safety is maintained.
- At 5 AM, March 19th, we started the Residual Heat Removal System Pump
(C ) in order to cool the spent fuel pool.
- At this moment, we do not consider any reactor coolant leakage inside
the reactor containment vessel happened.
- At 2:30 PM, March 20th, the reactor achieved reactor cold shutdown.
Unit 6(outage due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and the sufficient level of reactor
coolant to ensure safety is maintained.
- We are working on receiving external power supply to Units 5 and 6.
We completed the repair work on the emergency diesel generator (A).
- At 10:14 pm, March 19, we started the Residual Heat Removal System Pump
(B ) of Unit 6 in order to cool the spent fuel pool.
- At this moment, we do not consider any reactor coolant leakage inside
the reactor containment vessel happened.
Cooling of spent fuel pools
- In Unit 3, water discharge by Self-Defense Force's helicopters was
conducted from 9:48 AM in the morning on March 17th. Also water
discharge by the riot police's high-pressure water cannon trucks and
Self-Defense Force's fire engines was conducted from 7PM on March 17th
and finished at 8:09PM.
- In Unit 3, water discharge by Self-Defense Force's fire engines and
US army's fire engines was conducted from 2 PM and completed a quarter
to 3 PM.
- After that, from 0:30 AM, Mar 19th, water discharge by Tokyo Fire
Department's Hyper Rescue was conducted to Unit 3 and completed
at 1:10 AM. At around 2:10PM, water discharge by Tokyo
Fire Department's Hyper Rescue to Unit 3 was conducted once again.
At approximately 3:40 am, they had finished water discharge.
- At approximately 8:21 am, March 20th, water discharge to Unit 4 by
fire engine has started with the cooperation of Self-Defense Forces.
- From 3: 05 PM to 5: 20 PM on March 20th, 40 tons of seawater was
injected into Unit 2 by TEPCO employees.- We are considering further water discharge at Unit 3 and others subject
to the conditions of spent fuel pools.
Casualty
- 2 workers of cooperative firm were injured at the occurrence of
the earthquake, and were transported to the hospital.
- 1 TEPCO employee who was not able to stand by his own holding left
chest with his hand, was transported to the hospital by an ambulance.
- 1 subcontract worker at the key earthquake-proof building was
unconscious and transported to the hospital by an ambulance.
- The radiation exposure of 1 TEPCO employee, who was working inside
the reactor building, exceeded 100mSv and he was transported to
the hospital.
- 2 TEPCO employees felt bad during their operation in the central
control rooms of Unit 1 and 2 while wearing full masks, and were
transferred to Fukushima Daini Power Station for consultation with
a medical advisor.
- 4 workers were injured and transported to the hospital after explosive
sound and white smoke were confirmed around the Unit 1.
- 11 workers were injured and transported to Fukushima Daini Nuclear
Power Station etc. after explosive sound and white smoke were confirmed
around the Unit 3.One of the workers was transported to the FUKUSHIMA
Medical University Hospital at 10:56AM
- Presence of 2 TEPCO employees at the site is not confirmed.
Others
- We measured radioactive materials (iodine etc.) inside of the nuclear
power station area (outdoor) by monitoring car and confirmed that
radioactive materials level is getting higher than ordinary level.
As listed below, we have determined that specific incidents stipulated
in article 15, clause 1 of Act on Special Measures Concerning Nuclear
Emergency Preparedness (Abnormal increase in radiation dose measured at
site boundary) have occurred.
· Determined at 4:17 PM Mar 12th (Around Monitoring Post 4 )
· Determined at 8:56 AM Mar 13th (Around Monitoring Post 4 )
· Determined at 2:15 PM Mar 13th (Around Monitoring Post 4 )
· Determined at 3:50 AM Mar 14th (Around Monitoring Post 6 )
· Determined at 4:15 AM Mar 14th (Around Monitoring Post 2 )
· Determined at 9:27 AM Mar 14th (Around Monitoring Post 3 )
· Determined at 9:37 PM Mar 14th (Around main entrance )
· Determined at 6:51 AM Mar 15th (Around main entrance )
· Determined at 8:11 AM Mar 15th (Around main entrance )
· Determined at 4:17 PM Mar 15th (Around main entrance )
· Determined at 11:05 PM Mar 15th (Around main entrance )
· Determined at 8:58 AM Mar 19th (Around MP5)
From now on, if the measured figure fluctuates and goes above and below
500 micro Sv/h, we deem that as the continuous same event and will not
regard that as a new specific incidents stipulated in article 15,
clause 1 of the Act on Special Measures Concerning Nuclear Emergency
Preparedness (Abnormal increase in radiation dose measured at site
boundary) has occurred. In the interim, if we measure a manifestly
abnormal figure and it is evident that the event is not the continuous
same event, we will determine and notify.
- The national government has instructed evacuation for those local
residents within 20km radius of the periphery and evacuation to inside
for those residents from 20km to 30km radius of the periphery, because
it's possible that radioactive materials are discharged.
- At approximately 10AM on March 15th, we observed 400mSv/h at the inland
side of the Unit 3 reactor building and 100mSv/h at the inland side of
the Unit 4 reactor building.
- We checked the status of spent fuel in the common pool, and confirmed
that the water level secured. We are planning to conduct a detailed
inspection.
- We found no signs of abnormal situation for the casks by visual
observation during the patrol activity. A detailed inspection is
under preparation.
- At Units 5 and 6, in order to prevent hydrogen gas from accumulating
within the buildings, we have made three holes on the roof of
the reactor building for each unit
- We will continue to take all measures to ensure the safety and to
continue monitoring the surrounding environment around the Power
Please understand, that once you add sea water to these reactors, they are efectively ruined. I'm not too sure about all the sience behind it, but TEPCO will have to scrap or at best attempt to salvage the reactors they pumped sea water into.
Edit: This info was from the Rush Limbaugh week in review from earlier this morning, Sunday March 20th.
Are you able to just underline the changes? Copy and paste didn't exactly translate good :P
Ilax this thread has a lot to do with FFIX .The power shortage is whats keeping the servers down, and we as the players wanna keep informed of the situation; Seeing as that when the power is stable then the servers can come online (That answers your question on what this has to do with FFXI). BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY stable power and warmth to the people of Japan' we play with these people online everyday and have made connections ....friends with them and we as a community wanna know whats going on and keep each apprised of the situation. That is what FFXI is supposed to be about community and friendship. Your negative comments are very counter productive to those of us concerned for our friends and family there, yes I have family there and would ask politely for you to stop the negativity. thank you
That's not exactly true. To the best of my understanding, the only effect of this is because sea water isn't pure, it gets more radioactive than pure water because of the ions and minerals (e.g. salt) in it. The reactor itself doesn't care what it gets cooled by.Quote:
Please understand, that once you add sea water to these reactors, they are efectively ruined.
Absolutely, Alhanelem. Any tidbits that turn up about the power situation is of interest to us because of its connection to the game.
As far as the food radiation poisoning, well maybe there is a relationship of that to the game but you are going to have to point it out to me which is probably why we havent had threads on it even though as humans we would be concerned for the Japanese people. (nice run on sentence huh!)
Now do not misunderstand. I am not saying we are not concerned about what is going on there because of the effect on the Japanese people. We are. On the whole anyway. That is not the topic of this forum. In that I agree with you, Ilax.
As far as language goes we see that English is not your first language. That means that we may not be in complete understanding of what you are saying and you may not be understanding us, completely, either. If that is so we will try harder to communicate accurately. Its not an insult.
I also apologize too, and no i did not mean to troll, is just the way you said it that sounded to me like you did trolling me:
i mean specially when i say 7k dead and 12k missing (19k total), so ya i guess we just both got it wrong that all, and i apologize again for my bad reaction.Quote:
It has topped near 18,000 to 20,000. You're a few days too late.
I do the same, i mean everyone do the same, i have nothing against it.
Yes but as i say, there already multiple thread talking about it:
Twitter Stream with updates from Japan {you here}
Temporary Suspension of the Services Due to an Earthquake
Can we have an update on the situation.
Information Submission Request to Square Enix
Japan Tsunami Relief suggestion.
Next review date for servers, Tues 22nd JST
Power is being restored to cooling systems of the reactors
For those would like good explanation of the nuclear situation.
Situation and new's updates on the japan situation, SE's servers, etc.
Japan Before and After, had a friend in the relief effort for Japan send me this
Japan's Situation
Earthquakes in 3D!
Sites with updated information on the Japan Situation
Meltdown getting worrse.
Anyone feel the hit of tokyo's rolling blackouts yet?
Situation in Japan
Shut up about the servers.
Caught in the earthquake and/or tsunami zones? Check in and tell us you're okay here
Largest earthquake on record hits Japan
Japanese earthquake
Japanese earthquake and tsunami
Do we really need more?
Actually it was my understanding that it is NOT the sea water that destroying the reactor. Its adding Boron to it that messes up the reactor. The boron helps to stop the nuclear material from reacting by snatching the bits that are wandering around. lol. Ok its simplized but I dont always get the terms right but that is what essentially happens.
Yea Xeth, it's very sad to see how hard and long they've worked to make clean reliable power, only to have to bury it.
Fukushima Daiichi plant to be demolished
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano has suggested that the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant will be demolished.
Edano told a news conference on Sunday that the government cannot make decisive statements without going through the required procedures.
He added that it is not clear if the plant can resume operations, given the state of the reactors.
Sunday, March 20, 2011 17:42 +0900 (JST)
here's a link to the page: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/politics.html
Haglaz, at this point it is hard to see how the plants can be saved. Even if they were would the Japanese people trust them? Its probably better to take the steps to shut them down permanently and go forward.
There are lots of other plants out there already in use and more in plans for being built. It is not the same as shutting down their entire nuclear reactor system at all. Not even close.
from what i get, only the diiachi plant has to be buried. the others around the country shut down with the automatic fail safe systems, and are in good shape.
As much i agree, i think you avoiding my main concern about it, this is a new thread that promote "http://twitter.com/TheTokyoPost/japa...quake-coverage", that could been done in one of the current 20 thread, there no point to create a new thread for this, not at all.
Saying i am wrong on that is like telling me it would be acceptable i post a thread that promote CNN, CBS, RDI, LCN and so on.
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@Ilax
This thread was put up simply so we have a centralized place to share information on the current situation in Japan. I'm sorry if the title of the thread was not clear for some. I apologize for not deleting my previous thread which I started with the same purpose several days ago, as it has fallen several pages behind. It has now been deleted as that information is now superseded by information in more recent threads. My other thread (as noted in it's title, and as stated in the initial post) was put up as a place for people to find links to sites where they can gather updated information on the situation in Japan. I have not deleted that thread as it is still relevant and is in my signature so people can still link to it from there if they are still seeking information sources.
I'm sorry if you do not feel this is releveant to the current status of SE and (by proxy the state of FFXI). But many in this community do, and expressed their appreciation for it. Therefore I have been trying to keep at least one thread alive where they can continue to come to get updates without having to wade through tons of reports on other situations like Libya when they JUST want information on Japan. Many of the news media have been providing delayed information and much of that has been exagerrated. I have been putting forth a conserted effort to gather information from multiple sites and trying to limit the relaying of information that has been reported from sources closest to the situation and appears most credible. A good example is the 19,000 missing and dead estimate you questioned--that figure came directly from the Police Agency, not from news reporters tallied figures--from the Police agency that has been tracking reports from the teams actually surveying the areas.
If you are not interested in this information, you do not need to read the thread. If you have nothing informative about the situation to contribute, please, out of respect to those who are subscribing to this thread specifically for informative posts, refrain from posting it in THIS thread--feel free to post it in others, just not this one.
This will be my one and only attempt to moderate the traffic in this thread. If the trolling gets out of hand, I will delete the thread.
Thank you everyone for your concern for Japan and it's people, and all your contributions to getting information out thus far, and I look forward to news of better things to come.
Raist
Ilax I wasn't avoiding your main concern, I made a simple response to your first posting which was "what does this have to to do with FFXI", and honestly why does it matter that there are multiple post for information. As some of the those threads are pushed back you would have to actively go looking for them, and some may not want to waste time digging for the information (we've been doing it since the incident happened) as you have done I see up in a previous post. I think it is nice that someone is trying to keep information to the front of the forums; and info directly from the source seeing as our media here isn't keep us updated. The little they do release is blown out of proportion with words like "the worst incident Chernobyl" instead of giving us facts. In no where in my post did I use the words that you where wrong in having your opinion. I did say that they where negative and counter productive to those of us concerned. In the end of it all we are not hurting you on a personal level for wanting know whats going on, so how is complaining about multiply treads productive? It only service to upset you unnecessarily and those of the community. thanks
I keep having to go back and search threads I cant find any more for information. It would be lovely to have it in one place.
Here are a few questions I have.
Is or is not SE affected directly by rolling blackouts? By directly I mean is their power shut off by them.
Are SE servers in one place or in several places? Do they all have to be up for the game to be up? What I am getting at is if servers for interdepartment memos etc are not up can the game go up?
As a side question I am wondering how many servers SE actually has in Japan. This has to do with a bit outdated topic of moving or duplicating servers. This subject has come up on other forums than this one so I would like to know more about them. Information on the web seems to be more about company goals etc not actual physical property other than buildings.
1. yes their affected.
2. yes, the servers are in one place, no other locations hold your toon.
3. yes, the servers and internet infrastructure needs to be operational to play.
4. this site, and the FFXI, XIV, SE sites are at other locations, and not affected. Hance, we're all here.
From what i understand, each zone has a physical server or the like. you do the math. :)
Good thread I keep checking back often for more updates (I do not use twitter or facebook).
Just a quick note:
Please do not let this thread stay of topic. It would be nice to have an actual thread to get updates from & not people arguing. This is not directed at anyone.
Thank you all again for your updates :-)
I tried to pull up the blackout plan the other day and was having trouble finding the PDF's again. Someone posted that their ward is not receiving blackouts, which makes sense if you were to pull up a map of the area around their building. It is a highly commercialized area, and there is both a Hospital and Police station within a coupl blocks of their building. There are several more hospitals close by as well--3 within just a few miles of their building, as well as about 5 or 6 university campuses. A big Metropolitan Goverment Office building is within about 5 blocks or so as well, and I heard it is a big corridor for their mass transit system nearby as well.
In short, that section of the grid is under heavy strain normally, and SE is in a 23 story building that houses 4 divisions of their entire operation (including the Taito Corporation division). So it kind of stands to reason that they would want to do their part to conserve power. Also, as mentioned in the Producer's Letter in the FFXIV forum (may have been on Lodestone, not sure), they have a large number of international employees. A lot of employees left the area due to concerns expressed by their respective counselates as well as friends/family, so they also quickly found themselves short staffed.
The exact particulars of their server infrastructure is unkown, but the general concept is at least 1 server per world (24, +1 test server), in addition to 4 DNS servers, a 2 server storage rack housing their internal message services as well as at least one data storage rack to house their data, and additional servers for the POL service, Lobby servers, and the data storage units for the FFXI characters themselves. It is safe to assume it could be 30, as many as 40 servers in addition to several racks of disk arrays for data storage.
Raist