New Fishing Adjustments Planned

Greetings fishers,

Previously we implemented some counter measures on the client side to ease fishing difficulty, but we received a lot of feedback to make adjustments to the fishing system itself. We have been planning to make some changes to the system, but due to the workload related to the new expansion, we have not been able to move forward much.

Schedule wise please understand that this will take some time to actually implement, but I’d like to share the current plans for what we would like to adjust.

• Fishing skill weight
  We are planning to strengthen the boons of having a higher fishing skill, so that if you have a relatively high skill compared to the fish you hooked, you will be able to catch the fish without having to use the controls much at all. Even if your skill is low, we’ll be making it so you will still be able to catch the fish depending on how well you can reel it in, balancing it all so fishing can be performed easily.
  
  
• Simplification of reeling in fish
  As was stated previously, we do not have any plans to completely eliminate the system where players reel in fish since players can still catch fish with proper judgment and actions even if their skill is low.
  
  However, we would like to make adjustments to simplify the controls so fishing can be performed without complexity. Specifically, we would like to make it possible to continue fishing and reduce a fish’s HP by indicating a rod direction once; making it so you can fish without any super difficult controls.

Please let us know what you think about these plans. :)

Why? Were people seriously complaining about fishing being hard? As if it weren't boring enough, this is going to make it even worse. :/

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Originally Posted by Eric

Why? Were people seriously complaining about fishing being hard? As if it weren't boring enough, this is going to make it even worse. :/

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apparently you missed all the crafters crying about fishing cuz of shaper's shawl.

Hard to see how this has anything to do with that, its more that something for skilling up crafting shouldnt take skilling fishing to cap & getting the best rod just to get a small chance at the thing that speeds it up.

I support simpler fishing. Crappy hotel wi-fi, beat down controllers or miss-hits on the arrow keys shouldn't make fishing as painful as it can be sometimes.

Nothing like engaging in a desperate struggle with a friggen forest carp to make you happy to see these changes.

Can you make it so I don't drop to 15 FPS? It ruins my immersion.

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Originally Posted by Chanch

Can you make it so I don't drop to 15 FPS? It ruins my immersion.

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I think a few weeks/months back they actually did that on purpose.

Please remove the increasing delay between casts as you catch more fish.
Thanks

An NPC that sells unlimited Sinking Minnows and NQ Minnows at a fixed price (maybe 700gil each NQ and 2500gil Sinking) would also be greatly appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I think a few weeks/months back they actually did that on purpose.

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What for? It seriously looks awful.

Because fishing rod movement is tied directly to fps. So if you had a high end machine, it made it impossible to catch fish sometimes. Most fishers should know about this by now...

100% agree with the poster who said minnows and sinking minnows should be able to buy from a shop full time for a higher gil price, make it happen se.

Good morning,

Sorry to keep you all waiting on the new fishing adjustments. I’m sure you’ve heard this quite often, but the Development Team really is quite busy and they haven’t had much time to focus on fishing specific changes. The following adjustments are what we are considering at the moment (…and please keep in mind this is very rough). Nevertheless, we would like to update you on the current status. Because we are in the preliminary stage, nothing is definite at the moment. In addition, a time has not been decided as to when we will be moving full steam ahead. With that said, please check out what we have planned:

Basic Outline

• For the reeling in mechanics, we do not plan on completely removing it but we are going to make adjustments.
• As mentioned in my earlier post, we plan on leaving reeling mechanics itself as a challenge to those with insufficient skills.
• Fishing skills will have a bigger impact on results compared to the current system. In addition, the reeling in mechanics will be simplified as much as possible.
• If your fishing skill is high, you can pull up a fish without having to reel in at all! (Similar to goldfish scooping featured in the past Sunbreeze Festivals.)
• For the reel in mechanics, we will try to make it so there is minimal difference between clients regardless of their specifications.

Major changes

Reeling Entry commands
Previously, players were able to reduce their catch’s HP by half when they continued to enter commands in the opposite direction that their rod was pulled towards. However, since many users have pointed out that continuing to enter commands highlights the user’s machine specs rather than game-playing skills, we plan to change this function to “enter the command once” and you will be able to achieve the same results as the current multiple inputs.

In this case, if the command entry is successful, the catch’s HP can be reduced greatly based on fishing skills and rod quality. However, if entry fails, the catch will recover a bit of HP. We are looking into an effect in which the catch’s recovery rate is reduced based on fishing skill. Once the command is entered, regardless of whether it fails or succeeds, the rod will pull. In other words, repeating the command will do nothing.

Rod Animations
We will also make adjustments to the rod movement animations. The main situations we are looking to improve are when the rod is leaning far in either direction but does not stay for a long enough time for the user to enter a command. We will try to adjust this mechanic so you will have enough time to enter your desired commands.

Regen and DoT of catch based on fishing skill
Another idea we have is to implement a combo bonus type effect. (i.e. Reduce the catch’s HP further, reducing the fish’s HP over time, make the catch unable to flee, etc.) These effects will be granted when the user is able to successfully respond to the movements of the rod consecutively. Please keep in mind that this is not set in stone, but we thought this would be an interesting addition.

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Basically, if the user’s fishing skill value is greater than or equal to the catch’s fishing resistance skill value, the catch’s HP will decrease. As our plan is to make the effects more noticeable than they are currently, as soon as the user’s fishing skill value matches the catch’s fishing resistance skill value, a DoT will be applied to the catch, and from there, the higher the user’s fishing skill value, the stronger the DoT applied.

For example, if a user with a fishing skill of 100 catches a carp with very low fishing resistance skill value, then the catch’s HP will decrease rapidly even without any rod commands due to the high DoT effect. This aspect closely resembles the initial features for the fishing system.

Oppositely, if a user with a fishing skill of 0 catches a fish with a high fishing resistance skill value, such as a bastore bream or black sole, the catch’s HP will recover rapidly due to the high regen effect. This aspect resembles the current features for the fishing system.

We will determine the detailed mechanics based on testing results. Of course we will implement the changes on the test server for all of you to try out, as well.

Other changes

High Priority Adjustment

This is a feature that has already been implemented, but it is currently not based on any skill values. With the current changes, we plan on allowing for higher critical rates based on the user having higher fishing skill values than the catch. We also think it may be okay to add additional effects, such as immunity to fishing fatigue.

Fishing fatigue

Currently, once a certain number of fish are caught, the user cannot catch any more fish for the rest of the day.
This feature was first implemented to combat RMT activity. If we simply take out this feature, RMT activity may increase greatly. As such, instead of removing it, we plan on implementing conditions that can be met to increase the fishing cap.

• Successfully caught a fish after critical
• Usable items to recover fishing fatigue
• Catches that recover fishing fatigue after caught

The above are nothing but suggestions, but we would like to consider a feature that recovers users’ fishing fatigue as a reward.

Fishing ring effects

Regarding fishing rings, their numerical values for calculation may be adjusted based on the changes to the system.

However, it seems that the effects for most can be carried on as is, so we believe that users will be able to continue to use these items for similar purposes.
For now, we are looking at the above ideas as the main framework for our revamp.
Once we develop these ideas further and finalize the features, we will begin implementation. However, we would like to take our time to determine the optimal settings for reeling in time length and success determination elements.
In addition, we are also considering variables such as weather, time, and age.

P.S.

This applies to all of our posts, but just because there are aspects that have not been mentioned, it does not mean that we will not make adjustments to those aspects. If there are things that you have noticed, we will be able to look into them if you bring them to our attention.

Also, please understand that it would be very difficult to implement all of the aspects mentioned above all at once, so we would appreciate it if you would look forward to these improvements with patience.

But is the minigame still going to be handled entirely client-side? Because as long as it is, the cheats will always be with us.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good morning,

Sorry to keep you all waiting on the new fishing adjustments. I’m sure you’ve heard this quite often, but the Development Team really is quite busy and they haven’t had much time to focus on fishing specific changes. The following adjustments are what we are considering at the moment (…and please keep in mind this is very rough). Nevertheless, we would like to update you on the current status. Because we are in the preliminary stage, nothing is definite at the moment. In addition, a time has not been decided as to when we will be moving full steam ahead. With that said, please check out what we have planned:

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Also, please understand that it would be very difficult to implement all of the aspects mentioned above all at once, so we would appreciate it if you would look forward to these improvements with patience.

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Next suggestion. If you catch a monster it should drop an area based fish or the consumable bait you used to reel it in when you kill it.

IE: Sarick defeats climmer crab.
You reclaim the <bait> from the climmer crab.

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Originally Posted by Sarick

Next suggestion. If you catch a monster it should drop an area based fish or the consumable bait you used to reel it in when you kill it.

IE: Sarick defeats climmer crab.
You reclaim the <bait> from the climmer crab.

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Well done for quoting the entire post for no reason other than to extend the page down >.>

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Fishing fatigue

Currently, once a certain number of fish are caught, the user cannot catch any more fish for the rest of the day.
This feature was first implemented to combat RMT activity. If we simply take out this feature, RMT activity may increase greatly. As such, instead of removing it, we plan on implementing conditions that can be met to increase the fishing cap.

• Successfully caught a fish after critical
• Usable items to recover fishing fatigue
• Catches that recover fishing fatigue after caught

The above are nothing but suggestions, but we would like to consider a feature that recovers users’ fishing fatigue as a reward.

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Quests would be an interesting way to implement this.

I think there are two different quest styles that can be done, and I think a mixture of both would be the best "solution" to increasing the amount of fishing someone can do.


Multiple Goblin Bag style expansion quests to increase the maximum space.
Limit availability of these quests not just by fame but also from very new accounts. Having an account that has played for a long time is a short of investment that would be harder for RMT to achieve.


Repeatable fatigue reset quests.
Fatigue reset quests should preclude bots completing it somehow (like a sort of CAPTCHA). If the fatigue reset itself is an item, it should be tagged Rare/Ex to prevent stockpiling in remote locations. Ideally, whatever the quest is should also have some side function that helps the server, such as the player's actions filling crafting guild shops with items they don't normally stock.

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Originally Posted by Hashmalum

But is the minigame still going to be handled entirely client-side? Because as long as it is, the cheats will always be with us.

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FFXIV showed us the horror that is server-side moderated crafting mini-games.

FFXIV failed on many levels .. I didn't stop playing and my level 50 is waiting for V2 but there's no denying the initial release of V1 was abominable .. and one of those levels was SE's paranoia about RMT and their fixation on anti-RMT devices.

Thus, XIV was designed almost entirely with server-side moderated mechanics, which lead to the horrendous lag in all the crafting UI operations, item trading to NPC/players, various battle situations etc.

ALL IN THE NAME OF ANTI-RMT! And you know what .. IT DIDN'T WORK! There were still gathering bots galore.

XI doesn't need that insanity. For once, SE should stop considering making players 'collateral damage' to their anti-RMT activities!

I always intended to fish in XI, I do so in other games, but I loathed the 'twitch-based' mechanic which made XI fishing a trial I wasn't prepared to tolerate. I can see why even 'legit' players, who otherwise never cheated or bought or sold gil, resorted to fish bots because the 'legit' way was a total pain.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Please remove the increasing delay between casts as you catch more fish.
Thanks

An NPC that sells unlimited Sinking Minnows and NQ Minnows at a fixed price (maybe 700gil each NQ and 2500gil Sinking) would also be greatly appreciated.

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Honestly, I hope this type of message is generally ignored. As a long time crafter, it bothers me immensely when people want to see market driven prices undercut by NPC's. If an NPC is going to be implemented to provide an item that has historically been provided by crafters, the price should be well above the normal prices (with normal fluctuations) on the servers. If no crafter were providing these, it would seem a fair thing to ask for an NPC. Yet as an alchemist, I have rarely seen a shortage of these lures on the auction house, except when the prices have tanked so low that they aren't worth the effort of making. Please do not implement these types of NPC sales.

Looks pretty much like what I was expecting from what they have mentioned before.

I'm interested, a lot, but I'm a little bit worried how much the rod movement changes will skew the ability to identify what has been hooked.

Will definitely check it out on the test-server as soon as possible, if I can. ^^

I really doubt even such a drastic move as removing the daily limit would increase the RMT-activity and the reason for that is the fact that it is already quite easy to go around it. Especially so for the RMT, and especially so because of Abyssea/Grounds of Valor. All it really hurts, in my opinion, is the legit players who do not have multiple characters.

I speak as one who has never used a bot, or even the windower, and it can still be an annoyance... Will be interesting to see how they will be alleviating the fatigue exactly, how much, and how practical it will be in the grand-scheme of things.

I wouldn't mind more (practical) fishing quests. That is, something else than 10000 carps to carp about...

All i care about is having fishing being fun and actually getting a skillup from it.
I've played the fishing minigame for hours and can manage to catch coral butterflies (supposedly a fish that caps at 40 skill) without much effort with ZERO fishing skill. After many hours, still have zero skill and a bunch of random fish+monsters to show for it.

How about you actually fix fishing first so it gives skill ups and is more fun+less tedious instead of encouraging everyone to bot it because its tedious and gives no skill ups when you play the game legitimately.

Oh and people that want NPCs to sell an endless supply of lures? How about taking up a craft to make them yourselves, or be willing to pay a decent price on the AH for lures so crafters will bother to take the time to make them.

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Originally Posted by Yoji_Fujito

Hello!

Since I can take some time to respond to the forum this week, I can answer some questions relating my original post. As I mentioned previously, the first post was just intended to outline some of the major modifications coming... this post will be more packed with details and specifics.

I can't really respond to other threads or posts, as usual, Oriole will get comments from the team and summarize them. Thanks!

Ok, let's go:

{{Questions about fish regen and skill ups}}

This feature is already in the current fishing system. HP regen for fish on the line works in regular intervals when the HP is 1 or higher. In other words, the fish can't regen from 0 HP. We aren't changing anything about this.

With respect to easing up fishing skill ups - rather than limit this to fishing in particular, Matsui, Ito, and I all share the opinion that there should be an overall adjustment for all crafting as well.

{{Questions about fatigue}}

Sorry if my original post was not clear. There are two types of fishing fatigue. One type is the upper limit on the number of fish you can catch. However, the other type, as you pointed out, is that the time to re-cast your line gets longer.

The purpose of this feature is to put players who continue to fish in the same spot for a long time at a disadvantage. Beyond that, of course, the assumption was that it would reduce the efficency of automatic fishing bots. That being said, we realize that players who aren't using bots are still feeling the effects of this kind of fatigue.

Of course, we will have to set the curve of how this varies accordingly and we will have to think about whether we want to change this when we make the adjustments to fishing. At this point, we'll leave it as is, and we'll gradually adjust this if it doesn't seem to cause any issues.

Let's give these some tentative names for convenience to avoid confusion in the future... we'll call the upper limit "catch fatigue" and the longer recast for people who don't move "continuous fatigue."

{{Question about release timing}}

Although I'd like to say that we're almost ready to implement the tests, the reality is that it will probably be after Adoulin.

{{Question about fighting against the highest level fish}}

As we discussed previously, the fish fighting will be adjusted to depend strongly on fishing skill. That said, for fish with much higher skill (resistance) than player's skill, such as Matsya, player fishing skill alone won't be enough, and the process will definitely require player input. We are also considering boosting this in certain ways, such as:
*Services or items that temporarily boost fishing skill
*Services or items that generate special debuffs against particular prey
*When a fishing critical occurs, the fish will be reeled in unconditionally

Additionally, several types of accessories to assist with fishing are already around. Since we are only now coming up with these ideas, please let us know if you have any better ones.

In addition to any suggestions you may have, we are also reading your opinions. Although we probably can't respond to everyone, everything posted here is helpful. Thanks all!

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Hi while your on adding these adjustments can you make it possible that we can buy minnow and sinking minnows from a regular npc who doesn't go out of stock, even if it means raising these ones to the highest possible price.

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Originally Posted by Caria

Honestly, I hope this type of message is generally ignored. As a long time crafter, it bothers me immensely when people want to see market driven prices undercut by NPC's. If an NPC is going to be implemented to provide an item that has historically been provided by crafters, the price should be well above the normal prices (with normal fluctuations) on the servers. If no crafter were providing these, it would seem a fair thing to ask for an NPC. Yet as an alchemist, I have rarely seen a shortage of these lures on the auction house, except when the prices have tanked so low that they aren't worth the effort of making. Please do not implement these types of NPC sales.

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Ha ha sorry but they really need to add minnows and sinking minnows to a npc, i wish someone would craft these and put them on the ah, they would be busy though i'd imagine you could sell over 400 of these daily maybe more.

People arn't buying them from the ah right now because you need at least 40 at a time.

true that you need atleast 100-120 to catch your limit on a good day. and if there was 40 up on AH they would be snapped of quicker then you could blink. fact is if there was a npc that sold minnows at 7k each i would still buy of that said npc,

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Well done for quoting the entire post for no reason other than to extend the page down >.>

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Well done making a post about a quote that took up a page only to quote the whole post and make another post.:rolleyes:

I'll go edit it I wanted to make sure it was responding to the right person.

Successful topic bump, now do you disagree with the suggestion I made or was you simply bumping the topic? Complaining about a quote seems a bit off topic but, thank you for repeating my suggestion in your quote. :cool:

Watch out Kalilla!!!!!:D

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Specifically, we would like to make it possible to continue fishing and reduce a fish’s HP by indicating a rod direction once; making it so you can fish without any super difficult controls.

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I quite like this.

Either A, I am missing something about fishings controls, B, translation error? Or C, pushing a single button corresponding with something on screen = super difficult controls.

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Originally Posted by uptempo

Ha ha sorry but they really need to add minnows and sinking minnows to a npc, i wish someone would craft these and put them on the ah, they would be busy though i'd imagine you could sell over 400 of these daily maybe more.

People arn't buying them from the ah right now because you need at least 40 at a time.

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It sorta surprises me. 51 tier on minnows is 82 alchemy + 62 goldsmithing at -worst- (that's the copper ingot/glass fiber recipe), and that's not tough to do- you're in the plat/gold range for 62 GS, and 82 alchemy is even easier to skill up. With the cost of materials, you'd expect them to be pumped out by the zillions- people fishing up masks in Oldton for fiber, copper ingots being stupid easy to come by. I'd be making those things nonstop considering the rate of sales if basically put on AH -> sell out ASAP to hungry fishers -> repeat, even if you're lower skill and making minnows instead of sinking minnows.

Sounds like some high-level fishers need crafting partners willing to make them lures in quantity.

For me the problem is the AH item limit. There's only the seven selling slots, so I'm not going to sit around cranking out 50 of something non-stacking and hope I have my bag space back sooner rather than later.

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For me the problem is the AH item limit. There's only the seven selling slots, so I'm not going to sit around cranking out 50 of something non-stacking and hope I have my bag space back sooner rather than later.

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That's my point. Find that crafter who's making sinking minnows and AH'ing them. Message them, saying "Hey, if you're on can I make an appointment to get some crafting done?"

Alchemist gets a customer that buys up minnows/SM's in bulk for a fair price. Fisher gets full stock of lures to work with. Win-win. Heck, if you could find a safe spot near where said fishers are dropping lines full of said lures, I'd be setting up with a mule and a pile of minnows in it for the win.

Bit late to the party here, but as I've recently tried to take up fishing with SoA on the horizon, I was curious if there's been anymore updates about them considering overhauling the skillup rate for fishing.

I've been casually fishing since May 2005, and up until I got more serious earlier this week, I had a skill of 10. The past few days I've been toying with a Lu Shang I got on the cheap from someone's bazaar, and I try to pull in over 100 fish a day due to the huge time it takes to reach that point usually. So far, I've only hit fishing 15, and was curious if there's any plans to really change the skillup rate as was mentioned earlier on, or if it's gone the way of Cait Sith for SMN and just swept under the rug.

Dunno. I've leveled traditional crafts and synergy in the lower levels and with the time and effort spent in comparison, I'd be in the upper 20s at least by now. I'd equate the "Failed to catch anything" to crystal breaks as far as eating time up, but the system seems pretty broken to me. I've consistently caught fish people have confirmed as being around 90 in skill cap level at level 10 with the Lu Shang, and no skillups off it, while traditional crafting usually nets you a pretty good risk / reward skillup chance for trying to make items higher than the 5 level comfort zone range with the higher chance of failure and losing the material (chance of not catching the fish and losing the bait / lure in the case of fishing), though such massive difference seems to hold no real bearing at this point from what I've encountered. SSG had me catching Grimmonites as I was fishing up Nebimonites for skillups, and out of about 5-6 the other day, only a single one gave me skillups after the usual close call struggle that ensued every catch. I blew through 198 Crayfish Pastes that day and caugh over 100ish fish for about 2 skills levels, where most normal crafts with that much supply at my disposal would have easily got me several levels, probably enough to jump a full rank under 60.

Given the fatigue in place acting as a daily bottleneck, would it be unreasonable for the developers to increase the skillup rates for fishing?

I was wondering if anyone else has noticed when they put out the rod and start to fish, if anyone of you noticed that an NPC or PC will go invisible & completely disappear and sometimes only the name is left shown? Does this happen to anyone else?

It's by design, to allow you to see which way your rod is pulling.

Well about time, one should like to say. A little late for me, as usual, but good for those who still get more out of it. (I finished my haul of 10010 carps on 1st of January 2014, even though I started that quest somewhere in 2006 or 2007 I believe. I was only at 2000 or so some months ago, and finally decided it's time! I had always been wondering if it's even possible for anyone to do it without cheating, but I proved meself it is indeed!)

Anyblue, I'm speaking of this, of course:

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Future fishing adjustments

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui

I apologize for the long wait, but we are currently working on the fishing adjustments that were previously announced to be implemented in a version update after March.

With these adjustments fishing skill will play a much larger role and the amount of elements that involve fighting with the fish will be reduced. I apologize for the inconveniences associated with the changes in fishing difficulty due to current play conditions, but we will be working hard to make improvements.

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In the light of these events, I would like to request the framerate limit (FPS) to be set as an optional feature. I think it was mentioned here:

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Previously we implemented some counter measures on the client side to ease fishing difficulty, but we received a lot of feedback to make adjustments to the fishing system itself.

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I personally feel the lower framerate is actually having a detrimental effect on my fishing experience, as well as the results. In other words, it actually makes it more difficult to fish.

Mayhap it's just me...


As for some other quick, current thoughts, I think the rate of skill advancement seriously needs to be adjusted. Reeling in over 100 fish with zarrro (0) skill points feels unacceptable to me. I don't think it makes anyone want to do it when they're seeing no progress for the hours they spent on it.

I recently acquired my first Pelican Ring, and I have to say I am not impressed. It may be that I'm just very unlucky with this sort of things, which I know I am, but that's not the point...

Guild points are something else that I've always thought of being a bit harsh. Especially so now when things are made lots faster all over Vana'diel. It goes for all crafts, though, not just fishing.
I believe the items used for them could use an overhaul here, similar to how some of the woodworking items were adjusted in the past. I'm speaking of the lungfish in particular. That has got to be some sort of a joke, right?


That's probably all fer now...

You know what would make the strain on minnows and sinking minnows go away? Not making every single fish minnow/sinking minnow specific, or at least not make those the only bait that narrows them down to one type of fish. The 4 sea serpents are sinking minnow only if you want to catch just them with any efficiency, while the minnow gets them and 2 others and actual bait catches 10 different things. Even Apkallufa were sinking minnow specific, while minnow or other bait caught several different fish. (By the way, why did we have to make those drop from monsters? The Akaso was the hard part to get, the Apkallufa were fairly easy for a fisherman to get, and were the only real profitable fish that we don't NPC.)

Can we add some fish that are singled out by the dozens of other baits? Maybe the next fish really likes trout balls? Or Sliced Carp? Or Peeled Lobsters? Or Lizard Lures? Or Rotten Meat? Crafting a haubergeon doesn't randomly give you a leather vest 20% of the time, but If I want Black Sole, I'm getting Cod 20% of the time. So use those other baits, Square!

Also if we're going to lose half our bait to line snaps even if we have support, gear and capped skill, can we not lose the NPC unavailable, non stacking, high level crafted bait?

Why not something to get rid of the hundreds of fishbotters in Beau glacier? :/

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Originally Posted by Tohihroyu

Why not something to get rid of the hundreds of fishbotters in Beau glacier? :/

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My title states what I will be asking you in general. (-;

I was wondering in regards to you finding out if they where really bots or just seemed like it but didn't go to great extents to check if they were really bots or not? Try these scenario's out: A person on the game creates an LS just solely to fish, plus doesn't want to chat or be disturbed while fishing with anyone walking by and while at the same time they've also found LS Members who have felt the same way to join the fishing ls group, so you go up to chat to them to see if they are fishing bots & they do not respond back to you; do you automatically assume there fishing bots because they haven't or wont answer you back while there full concentration is on the sole purpose is to fish in peace in Beucadine glacier? Do you assume no one fishes in beu glacier there for they must be bots automatically fishing? I also want you to keep in mind to combat it SE/the dev team could remove the fish from Beu Glacier to combat botting as well as hurting us when we decide-> Hmm, I think I will go try to do some fishing in beu glacier when it comes to removing the bots vs. players scenario, it also hurts the players in the same way it hurts the bots are working through it as well. :p :confused: ;)

I would like to see the Dev. team come up with New Fishing Gears for the area's of the ears, head, body, back, hands, waist, feet, and even the weapon with sub slots filled to support fishing and even as an added-in in taking part of the creation of changes that will be going into fishing. I mean if we really faced it; we really haven't seen any new fishing armor gear pieces in a very long time besides the four crafted body, hands, legs, feet and besides the gears and the fishing gears from purchasing with enough points from a fisherman's guild. if you even managed to even get your fishing skill high enough to unlock the ability and of course then enough points high enough to get those gears from the guild. The rings were kind of some what nice add-in to changing or helping in fishing but I would like to see more added into the fishing system.

I was basically saying that besides those crafted Lv.1 fishing skill +1 and its HQ Lv.15 counter part with just more Def and the same exact +1 to fishing-> I was thinking with all the reforged gears being implemented to the game, why don't they come up some type of reforged fishing gears or of the type that are used at level 99 since most everyone has a 99 job these days with more ways then one to support all your fishing wants in general? The wanted changes have been listed here mostly to which was the for faster skill-ups, increased various areas of fishing previously suggested into this thread of the fishing Adjustment forums and even said by dev like team members. The bonus side to these gears is that they are portal moogle slip storagable or at least npc stored for the times you want to put them away without keeping the slots full all the time while not in use or just times you would like to just put them away in the mean time when your not going to be fishing :rolleyes: :confused: ;) :cool:

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Originally Posted by YosemiteYogorockBlondelle

My title states what I will be asking you in general. (-;

I was wondering in regards to you finding out if they where really bots or just seemed like it but didn't go to great extents to check if they were really bots or not? Try these scenario's out: A person on the game creates an LS just solely to fish, plus doesn't want to chat or be disturbed while fishing with anyone walking by and while at the same time they've also found LS Members who have felt the same way to join the fishing ls group, so you go up to chat to them to see if they are fishing bots & they do not respond back to you; do you automatically assume there fishing bots because they haven't or wont answer you back while there full concentration is on the sole purpose is to fish in peace in Beucadine glacier? Do you assume no one fishes in beu glacier there for they must be bots automatically fishing? I also want you to keep in mind to combat it SE/the dev team could remove the fish from Beu Glacier to combat botting as well as hurting us when we decide-> Hmm, I think I will go try to do some fishing in beu glacier when it comes to removing the bots vs. players scenario, it also hurts the players in the same way it hurts the bots are working through it as well. :p :confused: ;)

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Holy crap your font was small. But yeah I actually used to be in a fishing ls at one point. And people in beau are annoying. I go out as a brd/blm and I get asked to team up on kat trial nm. Or can you lead me to feiyin. Basically wont answer anyone I don't know