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I know this has been mentioned before and i even mentioned before but since new director around why not revive it.

I think SE should look into allowing lvl 100 for players but only allow it for 1-2 jobs to make it that people can specialize in that job. Give the job either the option for 2paths on it like light and darkness or even go overboard (nothing wrong with that) and make it 8 paths for all elements. Then you can change the job of the player from like blackmage to thundermage which would increase lightning attacks and even give special lightning based magic attacks. For melee style jobs change thief to assassin or spy depending on their path.

I personally would think this would add a great deal to the game by not only providing plays with a way to show their love for certain jobs but kinda cheat on SE's side by allowing it to some sense be new advance jobs on their own.

Didn't they not go to 100 because of something like the game had issues showing three digits or something?

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Originally Posted by Komori

Didn't they not go to 100 because of something like the game had issues showing three digits or something?

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not sure, they can do it with crafting levels so why not job levels.

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Originally Posted by Komori

Didn't they not go to 100 because of something like the game had issues showing three digits or something?

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That's pretty much it. The game is coded to support up to level 255 at least due to programming numbers.

I don't think it was a legit reason just the best they could think of at the time because if they did give us access to 255 they'd have to reprogram the monster coding as I'm fairly certain they also cap at 255.

Attack goes into 4 digits now and it overlaps the word in the equip window so really the ascetic excuse goes out the window there.

That said I'd rather have them fine tune and fix issues with jobs over just letting us get higher levels.

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Originally Posted by Secondplanet

I know this has been mentioned before and i even mentioned before but since new director around why not revive it.

I think SE should look into allowing lvl 100 for players but only allow it for 1-2 jobs to make it that people can specialize in that job. Give the job either the option for 2paths on it like light and darkness or even go overboard (nothing wrong with that) and make it 8 paths for all elements. Then you can change the job of the player from like blackmage to thundermage which would increase lightning attacks and even give special lightning based magic attacks. For melee style jobs change thief to assassin or spy depending on their path.

I personally would think this would add a great deal to the game by not only providing plays with a way to show their love for certain jobs but kinda cheat on SE's side by allowing it to some sense be new advance jobs on their own.

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It's not WOW, It's Final Fantasy........ Job limitation? more than what we already have for events...

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Originally Posted by Secondplanet

to make it that people can specialize in that job

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NO! This is what we're trying to get away from, don't move backwards. This is a game that gives you the freedom to level any job. Adding "specializing", which in reality is limitation, is terrible design on the system.

SE had a vote on these forums for whether people wanted lv 99 or lv 100, obviously 99 won. There's no point to ever increasing cap again. We can crush 95% of content at this level and await SoA to bring a challenge.

Yeah, level 99 is a good place to stop.

If you want to show how much you love a job, there's Mythics.

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Originally Posted by Secondplanet

I know this has been mentioned before and i even mentioned before but since new director around why not revive it.

I think SE should look into allowing lvl 100 for players

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Sounds like fun.

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but only allow it for 1-2 jobs to make it that people can specialize in that job.

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And now you lost me. Stick with the first part. Keep it simple and keep people's options open. Leave out the limits and the elemental path stuff, and you got my vote.

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Originally Posted by Komori

Didn't they not go to 100 because of something like the game had issues showing three digits or something?

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They had a huge thread about the topic, and they said since players were more concerned with what the extra level on sj would cause (a lot of job traits gain a new tier/become available and abilities like composure are available at 50) they would not make the cap 100.

I'd assume more then anything there are jobs when used as sub at 50 would afford new capabilities?

lvl 255 can you hear me ?

Anything higher than 99 would be sad, 99 itself was entirely too high in itself, quite overkill and not really any fun smashing everything into dust with no effort. Personally I was comfy with 85. It still made things challenging and opened doors to the newer ppl who never had good ls to do harder content a bit easier. No more increases. Otherwise overhaul the game completely and redo everything to accommodate it.

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Originally Posted by Mayoyama

They had a huge thread about the topic, and they said since players were more concerned with what the extra level on sj would cause (a lot of job traits gain a new tier/become available and abilities like composure are available at 50) they would not make the cap 100.

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Yea, I remember them saying that. The end result was the Dev's were trying to ascertain whether we wanted the increase in stat's over JA & trait's. And because we all voted base on that, they decided against it.

What I really think it was all about tho is everyone start to pitch a fit about unique JA that would be available as sub's if it happen. And the simple task of just making thing's go to 100 became having to go in and change around a bunch of JA/JT. Which was probably more work than the Dev team wanted to get into over it.

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Originally Posted by Winrie

Anything higher than 99 would be sad, 99 itself was entirely too high in itself, quite overkill and not really any fun smashing everything into dust with no effort. Personally I was comfy with 85. It still made things challenging and opened doors to the newer ppl who never had good ls to do harder content a bit easier. No more increases. Otherwise overhaul the game completely and redo everything to accommodate it.

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I'm sure there are things you can't easily lowman even at 99. Have you tried legion?

Or do you think that every single boss from the last 10 years should be a challenge at the max level?

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Originally Posted by Winrie

Anything higher than 99 would be sad, 99 itself was entirely too high in itself, quite overkill and not really any fun smashing everything into dust with no effort. Personally I was comfy with 85. It still made things challenging and opened doors to the newer ppl who never had good ls to do harder content a bit easier. No more increases. Otherwise overhaul the game completely and redo everything to accommodate it.

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Want challenge? Try VW with no type items and atmacite. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by tyrantsyn

Want challenge? Try VW with no type items and atmacite. Problem solved.

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That would be an artificial challenge. And it's not solely about endgame being more challenging. Back at 75, you could die walking through sea or arrapago for example. The only troubling mobs to solo now are the level 105+ ones that were introduced into older zones. Other than that, the entire free-range world is a cake walk. I want the adventure of walking into a dangerous zone and actually having to avoid agro.

Continuously raising the level cap is pointless. SE is still working on scaling up content to 99 when level raises happened years ago. Again, this is artificial. Its not about your level, or mob's level; it's about the relation between the 2. Level 255 means nothing if there's just new level 270 mobs introduced. Escalation of this manner is not good, just a waste of development time catching up with itself.

Don't worry, I'm sure there will be plenty of lv105+ mobs randomly wandering around adoulin.

I'm pretty sure another reason they said regarding level 100 is because the game's menu where it displays your level/sj cannot display the 3 digits right now in its (current) form. I thought they said they were going to look at level 100 possibly after the user interface overhaul.

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Originally Posted by Kincard

Yeah, level 99 is a good place to stop.

If you want to show how much you love a job, there's Mythics.

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Lol, you need a Mythic to show you love a job w. Some Mythic doesn't even improve performance that much and makes literally no difference, how does Mythic show you specialize in one job?

And yes this game needs some sort of specialization for the jobs. A RPG without character characterstics are nothing but emptiness. FF isn't WoW isn't very good arguement, as both games are RPG.

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Originally Posted by Secondplanet

I know this has been mentioned before and i even mentioned before but since new director around why not revive it.

I think SE should look into allowing lvl 100 for players but only allow it for 1-2 jobs to make it that people can specialize in that job. Give the job either the option for 2paths on it like light and darkness or even go overboard (nothing wrong with that) and make it 8 paths for all elements. Then you can change the job of the player from like blackmage to thundermage which would increase lightning attacks and even give special lightning based magic attacks. For melee style jobs change thief to assassin or spy depending on their path.

I personally would think this would add a great deal to the game by not only providing plays with a way to show their love for certain jobs but kinda cheat on SE's side by allowing it to some sense be new advance jobs on their own.

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Why keep the lv cap going up when there aren't enough content for current lv cap already. Just keep current lv cap and make more content. Don't see much point to go to lv 100 lv 200 lv 999 etc.

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Lol, you need a Mythic to show you love a job w.

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He's implying he wants something that shows you will pick one job above others, and I was citing that as an example of something he could do to show that, but that point obviously flew over your head. Whether it's a relic, mythic, empyrean or whatever personal goal (all the way up to afterglow weapons) you want to set, there already exist plenty of such things that allow you to "specialize" in your job by timesinking into that job more than any other.

You guys who want specialization know what will happen right? People will be denied entry to events on jobs in which they aren't specialized, just as they are denied for not having emps and relics now. You sure that's what you want?

I think we already have way too many jobs and some of them even start to overlapping one another - not to mention killing off other jobs for spots on events. And we are getting two new jobs that is basically a combination of several jobs, so I suppose that is your "next level" jobs.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

You guys who want specialization know what will happen right? People will be denied entry to events on jobs in which they aren't specialized, just as they are denied for not having emps and relics now. You sure that's what you want?

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sure why not

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Originally Posted by Camiie

You guys who want specialization know what will happen right? People will be denied entry to events on jobs in which they aren't specialized, just as they are denied for not having emps and relics now. You sure that's what you want?

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Better than everyone in a LS all has 15~20 job at 99, ALL equally geared and nothing stands out. How'd you even role-play or tell a story(most important aspect in an RPG) like that. You try to make a manga or fan art for your LS in event, to tell your story, or try to make a blog post to tell your successful event, and you don't even know how to protrait your lsmate cuz none of them have set of skill that stands out. It's no longer about a group of adventurer consists of a fierce/violent WHM, a shy DRK, a DRG that always argue with his wyvern, and a BST that loves to abuse his pet. Your adventurer still keeps the personality, but no longer have the set of skill/characterstics to make the personality stand out.

I've been playing RPG for many years, there aren't many successful RPG where all characters are not specialized at something, and I believe that'd make the game bland in every way. Remember FF3 and 5 where you can job change(never played FFT so no comment)? Although 5 is one of my favorite FF, I can't deny that character in 5 is not as memoriable in characters in 4, such cecil the DRK/PLD, or Kain the DRG. This is the fundemental and soul of RPG, having an option to min-maxing in an event does not tell a great story.

The reason why relic/empy DD isn't invited is because SE made those weapons kinda overpowered compare with others, and majority of players has them. So now SE has to balance the content difficulty to fit the fact that majority of DDs have relic/empy. If you really love your DD job and plan to do endgame, get relic/empy, it's not hard if you don't have 10000 other jobs to spend time on(or else why'd everyone and their mother have one?). If you can't get it due to vairous reasons and still want to play DD job, make your own group or just do easier content then. Life doesn't involve around 1 indiviual, you can't make everything the way you wanted.

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Originally Posted by Afania

Better than everyone in a LS all has 15~20 job at 99, ALL equally geared and nothing stands out.

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You must be in a far different LS than I am. Most people just level what they like. Most who have all jobs leveled have only really worked on a handful of them. I'd say most people are doing just fine limiting themselves.

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How'd you even role-play or tell a story(most important aspect in an RPG) like that. You try to make a manga or fan art for your LS in event, to tell your story, or try to make a blog post to tell your successful event, and you don't even know how to protrait your lsmate cuz none of them have set of skill that stands out.

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Well I haven't tried to do those things, but everyone I know has a job I identify them with. If I were to create artwork or a story about them, I'd probably ask them how they'd wish to be portrayed. That's pretty simple.

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It's no longer about a group of adventurer consists of a fierce/violent WHM, a shy DRK, a DRG that always argue with his wyvern, and a BST that loves to abuse his pet. Your adventurer still keeps the personality, but no longer have the set of skill/characterstics to make the personality stand out.

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I don't know anyone who has a made up persona for their character. Most people simply play as themselves.

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I've been playing RPG for many years, there aren't many successful RPG where all characters are not specialized at something, and I believe that'd make the game bland in every way. Remember FF3 and 5 where you can job change(never played FFT so no comment)? Although 5 is one of my favorite FF, I can't deny that character in 5 is not as memoriable in characters in 4, such cecil the DRK/PLD, or Kain the DRG. This is the fundemental and soul of RPG, having an option to min-maxing in an event does not tell a great story.

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In those games I never felt as though the character was mine. I was simply playing through some other person's story. My FFXI character is what I make of it, and the fewer limits there are the more personal it feels.

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The reason why relic/empy DD isn't invited is because SE made those weapons kinda overpowered compare with others, and majority of players has them.

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The majority of players don't have them.

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So now SE has to balance the content difficulty to fit the fact that majority of DDs have relic/empy.

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No they really don't.

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If you really love your DD job and plan to do endgame, get relic/empy, it's not hard if you don't have 10000 other jobs to spend time on(or else why'd everyone and their mother have one?).

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Bad advice. Relic/empy isn't always the best option.

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If you can't get it due to vairous reasons and still want to play DD job, make your own group or just do easier content then. Life doesn't involve around 1 indiviual, you can't make everything the way you wanted.

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You could offer that same advice to a lot of shouters.

There is 1 slight difference between a Single player FF game, and this, that is that for this game you control a single character & have to deal with other players, playing their characters. I agree, if I played most other FF games and they had a shit story with bland characters & no real special things about them, it would suck, however in this game, unless everyone is on a level playing field someone is getting screwed. A special level such as what is suggested would have to be meaningless besides show, think if we already had that, SCH could only learn Embrava at lv100, but you had to pick it as 1 of your 3 "chosen" jobs. Every SCH whos lv99 would be screwed, while anyone(everyone who even so much as wants to use SCH for an event) at level 100 would be able to get in events, because they have Embrava.

Also you give a bad example in my opinion. In any group, some people are good at some jobs and bad at others, even if everyone were geared the same, all jobs 99, some people would stand out simply because they know the job better, or they play it better. I have lv99 BLU, my gear is sadly not far behind that of 1 of my LS members, yet he knows alot about BLU, hes good at BLU, I suck as BLU, even were our gear the same, I would never go BLU if it were between 1 of us being BLU, and the other being another job. The closest thing we have or need to specializing our jobs are merits, and even that should be removed because it doesn't work, its just a limiter that only lets us pick the good choices while the others goto waste, never to be used.

This is at least how I see it.

Personally i would have preferred lvl 100 but like so many mentioned it could possibly be overpowered unless SE changed around some things. I'm not a big fan of odd numbers for important things like job lvls but it's something we have gotten used to with 75 cap for many years. Now we can used to this for another 5 years and who knows maybe whoever is in charge by then might want to increase cap to 125. Never say never. No one ever thought cap would be increased past 75.

75 was a naturally weird number for a FF game, or any RPG I can think of, where as 99 & 100 are very common.

I personally liked 99 just because it felt more "traditional" in the vein of FF. This IS FF Online, isn't it? Not some other franchise. It's a really minor point sure, but I guess the OCD in me likes the consistency. =P

(I'm aware a couple games go to Lv100 though)

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Originally Posted by Camiie

The majority of players don't have them.

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How about I change another way to say it.

Majority of player who
1. Isn't new.

2. Not returning player.

3. Been consistantly playing for past 1~2 years without quitting/taking a break, nor log in once every 3 weeks etc.(If you only log on every 3 weeks it doesn't count and so on)

4. Focus on one job instead of having 20 jobs.

5. Plays a DD job that largely benefits from relic/empy such as WAR MNK, instead of jobs like SAM DRK which you can use other weapons.

I find it hard to believe that anyone who only play 1~2 jobs in past 1~2 years and didn't quit/take breaks doesn't have at least 1 relic/empy, unless you aren't focus on it or your job can just use magian weapons. The ones who doesn't have are minority(or returning player/playing on and off players), period.

Go check amount of empy from last census, it's A LOT.

So the majority, except over half of the players is what you really mean?

I think this would help set personal identity in this game for many characters and not only on a personal level but also would help greatly when building a party.

You can't tell me that every party you built that everyone knew their job and had the skills to use it? I've seen a pup with laughable gear do circles around one with all +2 emp, mythic weapon etc etc etc... I've grown tired of making a party and people can't hit the mob or worst you ask them to cast a spell and they say they can't afford it. People are going to events with any job regardless if they have the knowledge/skills to use it just to go on the event. This would allow seperation between the people who pull stunts like that and people who actually know the job.

Even back at 75 cap my gear for summoner was mediocre but the LS i was in knew i had the skills to surpass the best gear ones out there while there was other LS members who wanted to come summoner boasting their gear bahamuts staff etc but when requested to release their skill levels either refused or lied straight out but spouting an impossible number at the time.

I'm not saying make a 100 lvl'd job god, i'm just asking it as a way to allow some separation for people to know they you know what your doing and give that job 1-2 new abilities for the effort. Even if they make it your top 2 skills have to be capped to do it (unless you only have 1 like summoner lol)

Lv100 would have to be purely for show, no stat increases or JA/JT, otherwise it stops being "These are the jobs I play" and starts becoming "These are the jobs I need the stats for."

I can understand what your saying to an extent with the whole people sucking, I play my friends character, I got his DRK some decent gear & did VW, using a Hoarfrost, bad WS build, and good TP build, I was placing in 2nd in the parse beating out Emp WARs, Relic DRKs, and Emp MNKs. The problem then becomes though, how do you know that even the level 100 Ukon WAR next to you, doesn't still suck? There is almost no way to make attaining lv100 based on skills of the player on a general basis.

Because anyone could make any job they wanted level 100, and still suck at the job. Wanting a job at lv 100 for whatever the benefit is doesn't prove anything other than that benefit is better than the other jobs' benefits at lv100. The only way to prove you know what you're doing, is to show people you can. And you get into these groups by showing you care about a job by gearing it properly. Any job can be geared well by players that know what they're doing.

Well really if its a sign of experience with a job, and to show your good at it, whos to say parties wont start saying that basically, if your DD isn't lv100, you cant join? If you don't have it, you probably aren't to good of a player at that job anyways, so you cant come now.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Well really if its a sign of experience with a job, and to show your good at it, whos to say parties wont start saying that basically, if your DD isn't lv100, you cant join? If you don't have it, you probably aren't to good of a player at that job anyways, so you cant come now.

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That's exactly what would happen. All else being equal, why take the level 99 over the level 100? Even if the bonus is minimal, an edge is still an edge.

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Originally Posted by Secondplanet

I think this would help set personal identity in this game for many characters and not only on a personal level but also would help greatly when building a party.

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Let's say I identify myself as a BST and would really like to make it my defining level 100 job. We all know how little BST is desired for much of anything. Now in order to create an identity for myself I've essentially gimped my other, more useful/desired jobs. And, yes people will see a level 99 job as gimped compared to a 100. In order to get things done, I would have to abandon my "identity" and make something more desirable my level 100. That kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

I see where you guys are coming from on this, and I'm sure you mean well. I just think that, much like SE with many of their game play mechanics, your idea is not going to work the way you planned once it's exposed to human nature. It'll backfire big time.

Yeah, no. All jobs should be possible to level to the same level. There is enough gear available in this game to put your resources into that if you want one of your jobs to be better than others.

Isn't the level cap for the Final Fantasy series typically level 99? Is there a legitimate reason why it should be increased again in Final Fantasy XI?

Legitimate reason? What would even count as an illegitimate reason?

A desire to become stronger sounds like a legitimate reason to me. Was there a legitimate reason to stop the level at 75 earlier? FF1 only went to level 50, FF2 didn't have levels, FF5's job levels had no common "cap", while base levels capped at 99, FF8 went to Lv100, FF10 and 13 didn't have traditional levels at all.

Letting FF11 go to level 143 would be just as legitimate as level 75 or 99.

As others have said, making it some sort of inconsequential thing (Like, say, a visual glow effect like from Afterglow for a job of your choice) is the only way this would work.

Merit WSs is a similar idea to this, except in that case you can choose 3, and that is already going over pretty poorly. Not to mention the fact that for half the WS there are alternatives that are equally powerful after factoring in compensation from aftermath effects. The suggestion the OP is making is basically if every single merit WS was on the level of usefulness of Ruinator for BST or Shoha for SAMs, where if you don't have it the job becomes severely crippled for your character.