question for GM's

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This is what annoys me greatly, GM's chase people for stupid reasons at times but when this happens they don't even bat an eyelid..

So SE... care to explain?

Well obviously~ 6 people who all look alike met up and thought they should go send things to people while naked in Port Jeuno, what could they possibly be doing to draw a GM's attention? :O

just like i can't wait for my next [BR0SALE].C0M /tell that SE keeps saying they will handle and 10mins later i get more.

LOL that a army of RMTs

RMT investigations are STF territory, not GMs.

You can send reports to the crew via this form at the bottom - http://support.na.square-enix.com/co...php?id=20&la=1

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

And OMG they're still running around O.o

Gasp that got taken care of......

Incoming Chocobo Blinkers nerf

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Originally Posted by Mifaco

Incoming Chocobo Blinkers nerf

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Blinkers are an easy source of taking out RMT, and focuses them in on a single method of obtaining gil, and it's been in abuse for awhile if the billions of gil being frozen are a sign of things - http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/rule/specialtask.html

Shame they haven't added last month's results to the list yet.

What they really need to do is something about the non-stop RMT FellCleave shouts 24/7.

Depends on if they can tell whos a FC and whos not. I myself have made money from FCs from time to time, if I were banned because they thought I was a RMT I would quit this game and never look back.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Depends on if they can tell whos a FC and whos not. I myself have made money from FCs from time to time, if I were banned because they thought I was a RMT I would quit this game and never look back.

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Technically everyone is an RMT, we pay money for a subscription and/or buy the client software just for special in game items sometimes. It all depends on how you define the way money is traded.:rolleyes:

I look at em this way, .....did they steal my mob? Are they farming on mobs that i want? Are they making my sales on the a.h. decline? Are they being overly annoying with their shouts? If the answer is no to all of them, and they're litterally not bringing my experience way down..... They're a lot like homeless people, eyesores, but I'm not going out of my way to notice them...... They content being what they are so be it. But they hit me with the tells, steal my mobs, or are generally being dicks when they're cleaving a zone, yeah, I tend to snitch em off to buffer and harder linkshell mates who enjoy competing with them for xyz..... They prey on us, Anji pretax on them, its a vicious cycle.

It's the botters that irritate me to no end.

They are decreasing your experience, though. Making money out of nothing (blinkers, lol) creates inflation, which basically makes all your gil decrease in value. For every gil RMTs generate, your gil is worth less.

Of course, legit players generate gil out of nothing too, but with rmts, it happens faster, which leads to inflation increasing faster, which leads to your gil devaluing faster.

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Originally Posted by Kaisha

RMT investigations are STF territory, not GMs.

You can send reports to the crew via this form at the bottom - http://support.na.square-enix.com/co...php?id=20&la=1

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The Lead and Senior GM's both said GMs would still file the reports for players if needed through the help desk. There was a big stink on these forums about it involving you know who on a topic rasaline (SP) started.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

They are decreasing your experience, though. Making money out of nothing (blinkers, lol) creates inflation, which basically makes all your gil decrease in value. For every gil RMTs generate, your gil is worth less.

Of course, legit players generate gil out of nothing too, but with rmts, it happens faster, which leads to inflation increasing faster, which leads to your gil devaluing faster.

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I understand that, but it is part of the world we play in, a lot like homeless people in real life, ...... Some get taken care of, the majority go unnoticed..... It is what it is, but I've no time or patience to police our gaming population for rmt., s.e. notices 100s of mllion moving to and from any given character, they should look into it, send a tell, inquire what is all that gils purpose, and make decisions from there, I play to play, not crusade against people trying to make ends meet, (yall know the shouts, know how long it takes to farm 5mil, and think these people are getting real life rich? I dont think so, but maybe.).... Red inflation sucks, but I expect a mass banning of the unexplainable gil hoarders.... Soon, and their gil to be taken out..... Maybe, maybe not, but a crusade against them I am not, they are not why i play.

Today I went to do some seals out in Vunk[A] and guess what I found~ :O

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In fact most of the area was probably full of em...
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Incoming djinn ash npc price adjustment!!!! (Ok, you win, the names are a little indicative of foul play)

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Originally Posted by Sarick

Technically everyone is an RMT, we pay money for a subscription and/or buy the client software just for special in game items sometimes. It all depends on how you define the way money is traded.

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RMT = RL $ for In-game money/items.

sry, there's no grey.

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Originally Posted by Nawesemo

It's the botters that irritate me to no end.

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What about folks clearly running at speeds they shouldn't be, or blatantly looking at things that are not normally visible until it finishes its cooldown?

Abyssea such a great place for catching cheaters.

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Originally Posted by Plasticleg

RMT = RL $ for In-game money/items.

sry, there's no grey.

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All right maybe I should've attached a bit of a pun that it was some what smartarse sarcasm. Again, I fail to underestimate that some people can't realize the obvious. I guess it's to grey for them.

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Originally Posted by Kaisha

What about folks clearly running at speeds they shouldn't be, or blatantly looking at things that are not normally visible until it finishes its cooldown?

Abyssea such a great place for catching cheaters.

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If we complain enough the witch hunts might start and innocent people might feel the wrath of the ban hammer once again.

Seriously though it's these guys that ruin it for everyone. I doubt these guys will get ban if the main is a a long time legit player. After all this game is a busyness and these players do pay a monthly fee. With the dwindling player base banning these guys might not be worth their effort if it's not already obvious.

Don't ban them then. One week suspension plus some form of penalty (-50% Slow attack for two weeks would be annoying enough to most), plus a strike against your account.

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Originally Posted by Sarick

All right maybe I should've attached a bit of a pun that it was some what smartarse sarcasm. Again, I fail to underestimate that some people can't realize the obvious. I guess it's to grey for them.

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ah, i took it literal.

booze + family over for the holiday= <<i'm sorry>>

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Originally Posted by Kaisha

What about folks clearly running at speeds they shouldn't be, or blatantly looking at things that are not normally visible until it finishes its cooldown?

Abyssea such a great place for catching cheaters.

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Meh.... Sprinters drink, ....and well some peoples computers run much faster than mine.... I've never been outclaimed so repeatedly that I've thought the other person was cheating, but don't doubt its happened. Back @75 though, it would tickleme pink when you knew the guy next to you was a bott.....but you had the red mob name.... Ahhhh yes glory.

Here is a fun pic to show everyone, if this doesn't seem a tad bit suspicious then what would?

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Was gonna buy this item for shifts and giggles but this is what smacked me in the face.

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Originally Posted by Nawesemo

s.e. notices 100s of mllion moving to and from any given character, they should look into it, send a tell, inquire what is all that gils purpose, and make decisions from there

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SE polices RMT with their own bots. My account was suspended because a large amount of gil was traded. I contacted SE over the phone and the agent I spoke with told me that it was an automatic ban. I can't be certain because I wasn't the one who traded it, but my guess is that it was exactly two weeks after the trade.

tl;dr
SE uses programs to monitor trades and bots to automatically ban people who are flagged for 'suspicious activity'. Lazy as hell I know, but not likely to change.

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Originally Posted by Scribble

SE polices RMT with their own bots. My account was suspended because a large amount of gil was traded. I contacted SE over the phone and the agent I spoke with told me that it was an automatic ban. I can't be certain because I wasn't the one who traded it, but my guess is that it was exactly two weeks after the trade.

tl;dr
SE uses programs to monitor trades and bots to automatically ban people who are flagged for 'suspicious activity'. Lazy as hell I know, but not likely to change.

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Yeah, the ban hammer.... I think I was max level 50 during the salvage-ban, and just after the auto banning, our shells patriarch Seiya, was taken hostage due to something similar... A casualty of the draconian policy, ..... I give em credit for trying, bur do think a person should have been involved in the decision..... Yes lazy, but it did need to happen...... In retrospect.

Lol, someone paid a rediculous amount for a pearl body on cerebrus..... But yeah, some people exploit others laziness....

The AH is full of obscure, outdated gear that is sold for ridiculous amounts of gil. I've been noticing this quite often the last few weeks, just looking at random items on ffxiah.com. Typically, the items are all very slow sales, usually less than one sale every couple of months, but then suddenly you have three people buying them for 10 millions, and their names are always some keyboardslam-like name.

I'm sure SE is aware of these anomalities, though. I can't imagine it being hard to detect with automated scripts/programs/whatever.

And @ Scribble, before you go out and call it lazy to use automated detection of RMT-like behavior, please try to make an estimate of how many transactions there are in this game, over all servers, per day. I'll give it a try too, and I'm gonna say "something like a few hundred thousands a day". Are you seriously expecting SE to monitor these manually? If they did, our monthly subscription would be in the hundreds, not $12.95. It is unrealistic for any big MMO to not use automatic detection of bot/rmt-like behavior. Sometimes these will produce false positives, but it is a lot easier to manually fix these false positives than it is to hire hundreds of employees to stare at transaction logs 24/7.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

And @ Scribble, before you go out and call it lazy to use automated detection of RMT-like behavior, please try to make an estimate of how many transactions there are in this game, over all servers, per day.

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I should've been more clear about my situation. My account was compromised. I contacted support within a matter of days and my account was still automatically suspended two weeks later. They were made aware of the situation and still their bot auto-banned me. That is lazy.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Are you seriously expecting SE to monitor these manually? If they did, our monthly subscription would be in the hundreds, not $12.95.

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That shit doesn't fly over my hood...

There are F2P games that have staff to review suspension or ban in those games so no, it's not asking too much. The fact that XI is a service that you pay for means you should have more attention spent on things like this. I never suggested they have someone comb through every single transaction, all day, every day and on every server. It's clear that they have a system in place that flags accounts for what they would consider to be suspicious activity. I don't think it's too much to ask that they assign a non-bot to investigate these specific cases.

You don't find ironic and maybe a little hypocritical that SE created a script to combat players using scripts?
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Originally Posted by Scribble

I should've been more clear about my situation. My account was compromised. I contacted support within a matter of days and my account was still automatically suspended two weeks later. They were made aware of the situation and still their bot auto-banned me. That is lazy.


That shit doesn't fly over my hood...

There are F2P games that have staff to review suspension or ban in those games so no, it's not asking too much. The fact that XI is a service that you pay for means you should have more attention spent on things like this. I never suggested they have someone comb through every single transaction, all day, every day and on every server. It's clear that they have a system in place that flags accounts for what they would consider to be suspicious activity. I don't think it's too much to ask that they assign a non-bot to investigate these specific cases.

You don't find ironic and maybe a little hypocritical that SE created a script to combat players using scripts?
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I think I agree except for that last part, .... For me, to say that is like taking firearms from police... It's their world, we ask em to police it, if they dont use the tools that the bad guys use, they are asking for a e-thwomping..... But i think i agree with the rest, and if you were legit, a casualty caught in the crossfire..... Lol one of our tarus was temp banned for shouting naruto spoilers in jeuno(im sure previous violations played in the decision,),.....this is still s.e. were talking about. Yes, auto banning without a person looking at each flagged transaction is a little lazy in my book, but i think they do look now, for what its worth.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

The AH is full of obscure, outdated gear that is sold for ridiculous amounts of gil. I've been noticing this quite often the last few weeks, just looking at random items on ffxiah.com. Typically, the items are all very slow sales, usually less than one sale every couple of months, but then suddenly you have three people buying them for 10 millions, and their names are always some keyboardslam-like name.

I'm sure SE is aware of these anomalities, though. I can't imagine it being hard to detect with automated scripts/programs/whatever.

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On Bismarck, I have been seeing a good number of people with Onion Weapons in their Bazaar for tens of millions of gil, wandering about the Port Sandy MH. I am not sure if this is the same thing that is happening with RMT at the AH, but that was the first thing that came to mind when I saw it.

One time while fishing i saw a person with /anon and 4 lu shangs in their bazaar and it wasn't like the had them at 99999~ it was at what they cost to buy of AH and they were fishing up more moat carps in perfect timing each time only catching moat carps.

I filed the paperwork to send to the STF and even did a GM call, person was there for the next 3 weeks fishing non-stop. Eventually that person went away i guess and then a new person was fishing with 5 lu shangs.

just like the fishing bots that fish up trumpet shells to make trumpet rings to NPC. I've seen in jeuno people synthing these for hours, never once buying any of AH. i counted once a person made over 500 in one day. now that person doesn't do it anymore but runs to a new person who does...... yeah STF at work again.

wow that's some amount of frozen gil, if anyone from the special task force is on i'de be happy to get rid of some of that gil for you :)

I saw 3 alliances in Vunk A the other day near the rabbits/puk using 9 blms reverse chaining. All the BLMs where leaders for the parties in the alliances. The others where NUDE /anon Galka sitting all stacked up near the cave.

I'm sure anyone even SE with an inkling of understanding can clearly see beyond a shadow of a doubt these people are crurer farming and converting it into gil.

One of the funny things I recalled was 2 names that caught my attention. In one allince the Leader was ****** in the Next alliance the lead character was named "******" I guess he was the pimp.

I doubt these guys will have any action taken on them because the same player or group pays for at least 18 accounts. If this RMT like activity is multiplied on all servers well, you get the idea.

Don't believe us go to Vunk Inlet do a /search count the anons with the funky names. Only idiots would assume these are legitimate players when they farm 24/7 and create trains of bots buying/selling YOU KNOW WHAT.

If you agree that these players are probably RMT click the like below.

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Originally Posted by Sarick

I saw 3 alliances in Vunk A the other day near the rabbits/puk using 9 blms reverse chaining. All the BLMs where leaders for the parties in the alliances. The others where NUDE /anon Galka sitting all stacked up near the cave.

I'm sure anyone even SE with an inkling of understanding can clearly see beyond a shadow of a doubt these people are crurer farming and converting it into gil.

One of the funny things I recalled was 2 names that caught my attention. In one allince the Leader was Shrimp in the Next alliance the lead character was named "Filpus" I guess he was the pimp.

I doubt these guys will have any action taken on them because the same player or group pays for at least 18 accounts. If this RMT like activity is multiplied on all servers well, you get the idea.

Don't believe us go to Vunk Inlet do a /search count the anons with the funky names. Only idiots would assume these are legitimate players when they farm 24/7 and create trains of bots buying/selling YOU KNOW WHAT.

If you agree these these players are probably RMT click the like below.

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I gave you a like, but assuming they were gil farmers, ....

Now, I do something very similar, (no, I don't own 18 accounts), but do from time to time farm cruor like that, and invite the shell out for afk cruor, and or exp. They don't pile on one another, they often are as well dressed as gear/ wallet allows.

And the legit players doing the fellcleaves,.... I can understand normal players who are able to do this for some quick gil. (Ok not that quick) but think they would get sick of doing it day after day.

The rmt took the time to level 18 accounts to 30,.... Just to get em in, did the run to and from jeuno to access maw,..... In the horribly random name instance, I think its safe to assume something is there worth looking into. It's a problem, I'm not sure a good way to curb it though. I mean, the rmt would ammass a lot of gil on multiple accts, unload it, ..... And then get caught.... If they're willing to do the level 18 accts again,....then we've just sort of allowed it, ....it would take policing the hot cleave/aoe burns, and ban /temp ban them then and there to actually discourage it.... Imo at least. (And innocent legit players will be casualties)

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Originally Posted by Nawesemo

I gave you a like, but assuming they were gil farmers, ....

Now, I do something very similar, (no, I don't own 18 accounts), but do from time to time farm cruor like that, and invite the shell out for afk cruor, and or exp. They don't pile on one another, they often are as well dressed as gear/ wallet allows.

And the legit players doing the fellcleaves,.... I can understand normal players who are able to do this for some quick gil. (Ok not that quick) but think they would get sick of doing it day after day.

The rmt took the time to level 18 accounts to 30,.... Just to get em in, did the run to and from jeuno to access maw,..... In the horribly random name instance, I think its safe to assume something is there worth looking into. It's a problem, I'm not sure a good way to curb it though. I mean, the rmt would ammass a lot of gil on multiple accts, unload it, ..... And then get caught.... If they're willing to do the level 18 accts again,....then we've just sort of allowed it, ....it would take policing the hot cleave/aoe burns, and ban /temp ban them then and there to actually discourage it.... Imo at least. (And innocent legit players will be casualties)

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The ligit players have characters that are used for duel boxing, multi-boxing or in general they actually play the game. When you see these guys their names are simply created as filler names. Nothing is wrong with cleavers and burn parties. These guys aren't cleaving anyway, they're killing one type mob then killing another type mob. They are REVERSE chaining to get 600+ curers a kill. It's the same as chaining EXP but instead of EXP crurers multiply.

Let me explain as to why SE probably won't do anything. Gil has about a two to one ratio. If each kill gets 600s that means about 1200g per kill. Multiply that times 18 every 5-10 seconds 21,600 at 6 kills a minute. Then multiply that by one hour at about 7,776,000k an hour. Last multiply that by 24 hours. My calculator is scientific so it gave me an exponent number of 1.8662 x08 or 186,624,000 gil per day.

If you multiply that by a week its 1,306,494,000 gil every 7 days.

It's really not that much gil to complain about and it shouldn't affect the economy :rolleyes:

If my figures are wrong please correct them.

Anyone get the picture? I'm not including the items or crurers from the chest. This is just one alliance killing 1 mob at a time. When I looked yesterday 3 alliances where doing this.

Yeah, we get... Pretty sure I agree, but feel a little like you want to argue about this... I dunno, anyway yeah, rmt bad, but I've little time to hunt them down and report em, and it'd just be one of those things, you have to be sure about if your s.e., a handful of perma bans on shell leaders could have vana'diel in riots ya know.

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Originally Posted by Nawesemo

Yeah, we get... Pretty sure I agree, but feel a little like you want to argue about this... I dunno, anyway yeah, rmt bad, but I've little time to hunt them down and report em, and it'd just be one of those things, you have to be sure about if your s.e., a handful of perma bans on shell leaders could have vana'diel in riots ya know.

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Na, no one cares. Its only a few gil nobody notices.:rolleyes: The numbers above aren't seen/realised unless someone takes the time to break them down like I did.;)

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Originally Posted by Sarick

Na, no one cares. Its only a few gil nobody notices.:rolleyes: The numbers above aren't seen/realised unless someone takes the time to break them down like I did.;)

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Ya know though, now that you put it that way I almost feel like doing that for like 3 days, 8 hours a day, with my ls, because you could pop out a relic every 3 days like that...

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Ya know though, now that you put it that way I almost feel like doing that for like 3 days, 8 hours a day, with my ls, because you could pop out a relic every 3 days like that...

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Good luck getting people to convert all that crurer to gil and then hand it over. :p

Each person in the group would make 1200g per kill That's 6 kills a minute totaling 7200g. It would be 432,000g an hour. A full day (24 hours) would make 10,368,000 per day. You could make 72,576,000 gil per person per week. Not counting crurur boxes or gold box items.

NO NO NO, you can't count keys as a loss here because every kill pays for a key! Keys are 500c each and the enemies give 600 each. LOL Only one person would be not making the full amount the rest would be doing fine.

Keep in mind my numbers are very conservative estimates. :cool: