Please give /SCH access to ALL weather spells.

Hi! I play SCH religiously as much as BLM, but it would be great if the weather spells were lowered to be used subbing SCH. I mean, the Helix series was lowered, why not the weather spells. Thanks! :D

Please heighten the storm spells so none are available /SCH

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Please heighten the storm spells so none are available /SCH

Thanks!

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Umm why?

Instead just give SCH over 75 double effect weather.

Also enhance their stormsurge buff.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Umm why?

Instead just give SCH over 75 double effect weather.

Also enhance their stormsurge buff.

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Because SE will never grant tier II weather effects in spell form, so I'd rather they get back their uniqueness.

What uniqueness, when has SE ever raised a spell's level? Storms have been subbable since the level cap raised, no different than refresh and convert.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

What uniqueness, when has SE ever raised a spell's level? Storms have been subbable since the level cap raised, no different than refresh and convert.

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So because they haven't before they never will?

They also shouldn't lower spell levels, but it hasn't stopped them before.

Lowering spell levels has some benefits, fairly certain that was Ito's reasoning for lowering Helix levels in the first place. Raising a spell's level has none.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Because SE will never grant tier II weather effects in spell form, so I'd rather they get back their uniqueness.

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When you give back Refresh, Convert, Magic Attack Bonus II, and Gravity then we can talk.

Until then your tripping on your own feet.

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Originally Posted by saevel

When you give back Refresh, Convert, Magic Attack Bonus II, and Gravity then we can talk.

Until then your tripping on your own feet.

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only convert is a biggy, RDM got Refresh fixed with tier II, the same won't happen with weather.

Personally I'd just save spell spaces and add an item SCH only that ups Storm spells to tier II, but SE wont.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

only convert is a biggy, RDM got Refresh fixed with tier II, the same won't happen with weather.

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Can't tell if serious or simply poking fun at fellow Red Mages.

I think the weather spells are fine as they are.

Like I said, I play SCH just as much as I play BLM, but only having access to snowstorm and not thunderstorm or dark or light makes /SCH kinda weak in my eyes for BLM/SCH. All I'm saying that they should lower them as they did for the helix series. I don't care for uniqueness, I care for utility. :D

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Originally Posted by saevel

When you give back Refresh, Convert, Magic Attack Bonus II, and Gravity then we can talk.

Until then your tripping on your own feet.

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And no to this whole thread.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Please heighten the storm spells so none are available /SCH

Thanks!

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I think it's funny sch's think they shouldn't offer something decent up as a sub, storm spells are basically to sch what bar spells are to whm, or na spells, or en spells to rdm, it's basically their thing to offer, it's what people sub sch for (other than the boosted skills for jobs with no innate black or white magic skills). Storm spells are not and never were sch's main source of uniqueness, and it doesn't harm sch to lose thunderstorm as sch only, if anything it only serves to benefit other jobs.

Blms get a nice boost to thunder based spells, but they have comet and meteor which blast thunder based spells out the water so no loss there, rdm also gets a nice boost but they fill a completely different role to sch in a prty seeing as they are buffers/debuffers, you rarely see a rdm nuking over a sch or blm in a party, so again no loss there, smns get a perp decrease, completely different aspect of the spell to anything sch can use it for, absolutely no loss there.

Basically it gives a job that's more damaging in nuking anyway (as it should be cause its blm) a nice boost. Gives a job that's behind in nuking a boost (without putting it ahead). And gives a job that has no impact on sch a nice utility spell. It's stupid to leave thunderstorm out from /sch and it's stupid that sch's are so desperate for it to stay that way

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

I think it's funny sch's think they shouldn't offer something decent up as a sub, storm spells are basically to sch what bar spells are to whm, or na spells, or en spells to rdm, it's basically their thing to offer, it's what people sub sch for (other than the boosted skills for jobs with no innate black or white magic skills). Storm spells are not and never were sch's main source of uniqueness, and it doesn't harm sch to lose thunderstorm as sch only, if anything it only serves to benefit other jobs.

Blms get a nice boost to thunder based spells, but they have comet and meteor which blast thunder based spells out the water so no loss there, rdm also gets a nice boost but they fill a completely different role to sch in a prty seeing as they are buffers/debuffers, you rarely see a rdm nuking over a sch or blm in a party, so again no loss there, smns get a perp decrease, completely different aspect of the spell to anything sch can use it for, absolutely no loss there.

Basically it gives a job that's more damaging in nuking anyway (as it should be cause its blm) a nice boost. Gives a job that's behind in nuking a boost (without putting it ahead). And gives a job that has no impact on sch a nice utility spell. It's stupid to leave thunderstorm out from /sch and it's stupid that sch's are so desperate for it to stay that way

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Scholar offers a ridiculously large amount to /SCH already.

Far more than even WHM, who had it's biggest buffs restricted from /WHM