[dev1097] Newly Added Control Config.

Thank's so much for tweaking the keyboard.

I would like to suggest, Could you please tweak the Xbox 360 controller.

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http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...controller.png

I've noticed that these buttons on the Xbox 360 controller don't work with Final Fantasy XI, Personally I don't use the Xbox 360 for playing Final Fantasy XI, But this might make a few people happy.

A.) Z ax L and Z ax R doesn't not work with Final Fantasy XI. Could you please look into this and maybe fix it, Thanks for your time Dev's!

These don't work because the Windows driver treats them as a single analog axis (they are meant to be used with DRIVING games as GAS/BRAKE pedals...) and FFXI expects digital buttons for the macro buttons. I suggest you use the BACK and START buttons for these functions. :)

Or you can install a 3rd party driver for the XBOX360 controller and that driver has the option of making LT and RT work as DIGITAL buttons. Good luck :)

Agree 100% with this thread.

That said, for now you can use XBCD to get 'em working with FFXI. I'm sure there is another as well.

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Originally Posted by oliveira

These don't work because the Windows driver treats them as a single analog axis (they are meant to be used with DRIVING games as GAS/BRAKE pedals...) and FFXI expects digital buttons for the macro buttons. I suggest you use the BACK and START buttons for these functions. :)

Or you can install a 3rd party driver for the XBOX360 controller and that driver has the option of making LT and RT work as DIGITAL buttons. Good luck :)

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Or FFXI can just add support for Microsoft's xinput.dll API which is the official means of interfacing with 360 controllers, and it bypasses the stuff the Control Panel has for the controller.

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Originally Posted by Kaisha

Or FFXI can just add support for Microsoft's xinput.dll API which is the official means of interfacing with 360 controllers, and it bypasses the stuff the Control Panel has for the controller.

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Actually, that's how the XBOX360 version works, no ?

It's up to the devs, then... But you can still use an high end Logitech pad which is 1000 times better than a XBOX360 pad...

What's the point of buying another controller for a specific game when the one you already own is more than good enough for the job?

The excuses are stupid, and it wouldn't kill the devs to spend two hours implementing the API within their existing controller config menu. Not everyone has the know-how to install the 3rd-party controller drivers, and most of them tend to also muck up official GFW controller support on top of that.

they should be able to implement the support for Microsoft's xinput.dll API, its not like they dont know how to do it, it was the only supported API in XIV at the last time I checked a few months ago, besides xinput is faster than directx so they should consider it anyway

They really need to fix this. Having to install unsigned drivers just to get a decent controller to work is a very bad thing.

On a side note: Has anyone gotten PS3 controllers to work reliably with FFXI on the PC? I hate the idea of spending $40 on a new controller, but I would do it to have a wireless controller that doesn't suck (I'm looking at you Logitech).

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Originally Posted by oliveira

Actually, that's how the XBOX360 version works, no ?

It's up to the devs, then... But you can still use an high end Logitech pad which is 1000 times better than a XBOX360 pad...

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there was a time I would have agreed with you but the fact the logitech controllers that are better than theXBOX360 pad come at a considerably higher cost and do not take as much of a beating as the XBOX360 pad does have changed that opinion considerably, for me its xbox360 wireless pad, logitech wireless trackball mouse and keyboard, logitech can keep their controllers

for XI I use a DirectX driver from a Japanese dev that windows 7 sees as signed and for almost everything else the default MS driver

There's a simple solution...

Get a $5-10 adaptor, plug your good old ps2 controller in.

Problem solved. Works easy, rumble, analog sticks and everything. XI was designed for that controller too, and the 360's triggers and d-pad are crap for this game.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

Thank's so much for tweaking the keyboard.

I would like to suggest, Could you please tweak the Xbox 360 controller.

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This is not an issue with the game, well, not only.
I already made another thread some weeks ago, can read it HERE
This issue concerns BOTH the game AND the X360 original Microsoft drivers.
It could be fixed on any of the sides, but it's unlikely MS will ever do anything about it.
Allow me to explain a bit further.

Xbox360 pad is able to work in two ways: Direct Input (dinput) mode and Xinput.
The first one was tipically used in old games, up to directX 8 (FFXI uses DX8), the latter is used on more recent games, tipically DX9 onwards titles.
MS drivers do not allow you to set the trigger buttons as digital buttons. That mans that the way Dinput typically works, the game will see those two triggers as a third axis, called the X axis. One trigger will work from the range 0+255, the other from the range 0-255.


Ways this can be solved

1. User side
   You can install custom drivers that will allow you to change various settings, among which making the game think the triggers are digital buttons and not Z-Axis.
   You can use XBCD drivers if you have a wired version, or Masahiko Morii's drivers if you have a wireless version. Mr. Morii realized drivers also for the the wired one. They are available on both english and japanese and work even for Windows 7 x64.
   I used Morii's drivers on my old PC. For some reason they aren't working very well on my new PC (well, they triggers work but the right analogue stick doesn't. Sigh...)
2. Microsoft side
   Microsoft should release new drivers with additional settings fixing this issue which is present only on very old PC games (DX8 ones). We all know this ain't happening
3. SquareEnix side
   They release a new controller handling software. Either with specific settings (and not the generic DX8 ones currently implemented) to handle triggers as digital, which would be a bit complicated tbh, or by allowing Xinput peripherals to work with FFXI, that way we would be able to use X360 pad in Xinput mode instead of Dinput mode. This would technically be simple, in theory, but in reality I'm afraid it could be a bit complicated to update FFXI's support from DX8 to DX9 (xinput requires DX9 I think)
4. Emulation
   There is a software called x360ce that you can find at THIS address that allows old dinput-only pad to work in emulation mode. That means that this software makes your PC think that the dinput pad you connect to your PC is not a dinput pad, but an X360 pad working in Xinput mode.
   The same guys said they would like to work on a "reverse emulator", that means an xinput peripheral like the X360 gamepad, to work in dinput mode. With an emulator like this you would probably be able to fix the issue and make the game believe triggers are digital and not Z-axis. Problem is we don't know if such a reverse emulator will ever be developed.
5. Other
   Someone else takes the time to develop new custom drivers.
   The already mentioned XBCD are an old Xbox1 project modified to work for X360 pad too, but the people currently mantaining the project alive didn't create it, so they have little knowledge of every single codeline inside the drivers, and hence have been unable to make big updates or to make so those custom drivers work with a wireless controller as well.
   If someone else were to realize some custom drivers then the problem would be solved.
   We all know this too is highly unlikely because seriously, how many still currently played DX8 games do you know that use a gamepad? Not many. Which means there is little "need" from the users, and hence little "interest" and hence nobody will ever bother to make such drivers.

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

There's a simple solution...

Get a $5-10 adaptor, plug your good old ps2 controller in.

Problem solved. Works easy, rumble, analog sticks and everything. XI was designed for that controller too, and the 360's triggers and d-pad are crap for this game.

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Will those work with wireless PS3 controllers? Wired 360 controls already work (and I'm pretty happy with everything but the wire), so an adapter for another wired controller would be pointless. Maybe I'll just try one anyways. It's only a few bucks. Is that what you use?

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Will those work with wireless PS3 controllers? Wired 360 controls already work (and I'm pretty happy with everything but the wire), so an adapter for another wired controller would be pointless. Maybe I'll just try one anyways. It's only a few bucks. Is that what you use?

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Can get a Driver that works wireless, requires you to buy a specific bluetooth card though. Google MotionInJoy.

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

There's a simple solution...

Get a $5-10 adaptor, plug your good old ps2 controller in.

Problem solved. Works easy, rumble, analog sticks and everything. XI was designed for that controller too, and the 360's triggers and d-pad are crap for this game.

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I've never gotten rumble to work using that method. Besides, this is something SE should fix regardless of there being workarounds available. End users shouldn't have to resort to workarounds.

I have issues with xbcd not working properly...

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Can get a Driver that works wireless, requires you to buy a specific bluetooth card though. Google MotionInJoy.

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I can confirm MotionInJoy works fine with FFXI using a PS3 pad. You need to attach that pad through an USB cable though, or at least it did when I used it. Does it work on BlueTooth protocol now if you have a bluetooth receiver in your PC?

Either way motionInJoy is a particularly annoying software to use, if you ask me. Each time you have to load it before the game etc. Dunno, I found it particularly annoying when I had to use it some time ago.



@Nala
Try with Masahiko Morii's X360 drivers then. I linked them in the other thread.

Currently MotionInJoy works fine with SixAxis, Dualshock 3 and all PS MOVE peripherals through bluetooth connection.

Bump! Hoping the dev guys will be able to give some info about this.

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Originally Posted by oliveira

Currently MotionInJoy works fine with SixAxis, Dualshock 3 and all PS MOVE peripherals through bluetooth connection.

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How hard is that to set up? I might try out a PS3 controller if getting it installed isn't too wonky.

Let's keep bumping these threads guys, hoping someone upthere will finally notice them and convey the message to the dev team :)

Bumpity bump!

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

How hard is that to set up? I might try out a PS3 controller if getting it installed isn't too wonky.

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Very simple. You can just hook the PS3 controller to a PC using the USB cable and after a minor dealing into the motion joy program window (install the driver and enable the controller) it's working as a native windows compatible game controller.

If you want to use it wirelessly, you can just buy one of the supported bluetooth antennas and install the custom motion in joy driver. Again, after some minor driver replacing using the motion in joy main app, you have your controller paired with the BT antenna and again, ready to go.

if you want signed directX xb360 drivers look at this post

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post355305

while those drivers in the link do work, the solution should however still lie in the hands of the FFXI devs for xinput support

bumpity bump, don't overlook this issue people, please

bim bum bump

Personally, I use MotionInJoy to connect my PS3 controller via USB. The functionality of the controller is almost perfect, but god damn, the MIJ control panel thing is terrible. Pretty buggy, typos everywhere, GUI redraws slowly, etc.

I wish Sony would release official Dualshock 3 drivers for Windows. After all, they make a decent chunk of money selling DS3 gamepads, and I think official Windows support would perhaps let them sell a few more.

Anyway, with this, the PS3 controller works like it should, and R2/L2 is detected as a z-axis which is usable for anything you can set an axis to control in the FF11 gamepad settings. However, the gamepad utility does not support setting an axis to be used as a normal button, like FF14 supports. Additionally, there are no options in the gamepad utility to bind buttons to camera zoom, and a few other key bindings are also missing in the gamepad config.

I would wish for a new gamepad configurator to be made available, where we could bind any gamepad button/axis freely to any of the hotkeys currently available when using the keyboard.

To make an extreme example: If I am insane and want to bind alt-macros to "right analog stick moved forward", the config utility should let me.

MIJ is very buggy and you need either a Bluetooth receiver in your PC or an USB cable =(
And while this is very subjective, I personally find the position of analog sticks on the X360 controller much more comfortable than the one on the PS3 pad.

Either works for me, but I'm the most used to the DS3 positioning.

Bump, I feel This should really be fixed already.

Everybody who's interested in this, please "Like" the first post. It's the best instrument we have to let community reps and devs know how much we care about this.

bubble bump!

mini-bump! :D

As much as I am used to not having those buttons. It would be nice to be able to use them without resorting to unsigned driver software. Make it happen SE!

Mini bump! More love needed for this thread

BUMP BUMP BUMP! this needs to be sorted!

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

They really need to fix this. Having to install unsigned drivers just to get a decent controller to work is a very bad thing.

On a side note: Has anyone gotten PS3 controllers to work reliably with FFXI on the PC? I hate the idea of spending $40 on a new controller, but I would do it to have a wireless controller that doesn't suck (I'm looking at you Logitech).

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There's a program that lets you assign a driver to let ps3 controller work if attached through its charging wire. It's what I use since my 360 controller died lol. I think it even lets you sync it wirelessly if your computer has Bluetooth. The name eludes me at the moment. I think I just googled for it. ****Edit. Found it. http://www.gamefront.com/how-to-use-...oller-on-a-pc/ Edit again: Guess I should see if I read the last page or not lol. Oh well bump I guess. -.-

Would really like to see this sorted. Getting the Xbox drivers that let you assign the triggers as analog buttons is a pain to get to work with Windows 7/8 signed drivers feature.

They're trying to tell you to use the keyboard, which is a superior input device anyway.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

They're trying to tell you to use the keyboard, which is a superior input device anyway.

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I'm a PC gamer and the only thing I feel like keyboard/mouse is better for is FPS/strategy/other first person games. When playing platformers, RPG's, racing games, 3rd person action games, etc controller always feels more "right".

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Originally Posted by odericko

I'm a PC gamer and the only thing I feel like keyboard/mouse is better for is FPS/strategy/other first person games. When playing platformers, RPG's, racing games, 3rd person action games, etc controller always feels more "right".

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For me it comes down to the simple fact that even an ordinary keyboard (many gaming keyboards have lots more) has 100+ buttons. It may be bulkier than a gamepad, but it offers far more functionality. FFXI does not require precision analog movement for anything, thus I don't need analog sticks. the new UI coming soon will solve the problem of the mouse input being totally terrible and useless in this game (at least, I hope). Moving with the mouse in XI is 8-directional rather than analog, it's a really clunky system that makes the mouse useless. If it were improved, I would be using both mouse and keyboard, not just the mouse.

I should point out that XI uses first and third person perspective, which falls under what you say a keyboard and mouse is better for.

"feel" is a very subjective term. Functionality is a lot more important to me than "feel."