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Why not just move your servers temporarily over to one of your U.S. companies and run them from there where power is not an issue?

I think that be a much better solution then shutting down your game for like 2 months - because if you do that a lot of us are going to go find new games to play - and after bombing on FF14 I don't think you can afford to lose another wave of new players.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Why not just move your servers temporarily over to one of your U.S. companies and run them from there where power is not an issue?

I think that be a much better solution then shutting down your game for like 2 months - because if you do that a lot of us are going to go find new games to play - and after bombing on FF14 I don't think you can afford to lose another wave of new players.

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the Problem is getting there to move them Let alone, and its a major one. Bandwith. Japan has among the Fastest and "Broadest" forms of T1/T3 Internet. if they move the servers anywhere they haveto have an Net connection w/ alot of bandwith. Granted the XI servers are Still to this day rated for 56k, thats still alot of bandwith they need to serve everyone on every server around the world.

I dont think they are worried too much about XI, XIV or other services at the moment.

There are slightly larger issues they need to worry about, and I think most people here will agree that whats happening over there currently takes priority than shifting servers anywhere. (And there are closer places than the US)

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Originally Posted by Dale

Why not just move your servers temporarily over to one of your U.S. companies and run them from there where power is not an issue?

I think that be a much better solution then shutting down your game for like 2 months - because if you do that a lot of us are going to go find new games to play - and after bombing on FF14 I don't think you can afford to lose another wave of new players.

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How would you move them? airport is destroyed, and the last time I looked boats were upside down. The last thing they're worried about is moving servers. lol

for sure, after everything is quiet, they will start to think what to do to start making money again (1 month stop = 4m dollars loss only of ff11).

now is not really the time to start thinking about a silly game...

I dont know if its the last thing they would be worried about or not. If it could be done without a lot of serious hassle it seems logical to move them for a bit. Hows the internet in Australia? Thats not all that far away.

Its a great idea, not really realistic though. I would love to be playing ffxi right now but cant, it sucks but we have to deal with it. I am sure they wont keep the servers down for too long, no big Corp. wants to lose out on money, so just try and be patient.

Be such a hassle, move them there then back. I doubt they'd be able to sail or doubt they'd want to risk it, probably dont have time/space/power to backup.

first off i doubt anyone is reading this from SE at the moment they ere to buzy. second i think they problly thought about that. but once again. since the place is destroied they jsut cant up and call peopel to work to do so. then you haveto put it under the idea. whos to say they arnt doing so aany ways it does take time to get the hardware and software from place to place. you know like maybe a week


i undertand your going thro final fantasy withdraw we all are. but SE is and has done all it can do. if they had the choice they would choose to make money and keep their product online. at this time they are doing the best they can be pashent and relax Square -enix is on the job around the globe working on sulutions to this problem. you know SE tehy dont alway give us al lteh information. incase things dont work out.

I'm sure SE can turn the servers back on now if they want to. Tokyo lives on as usual: Monday work, commute, shoppings, and so does many others outside Fukushima prefecture.

It's just that SE figures someone may need these electricity prior to our entertainment demand, that's reasonable.

I think relocating the servers are a possibility but may take even longer than just shutting it down until things got settled.

I dont think the power is going to be up to normal any time soon. All the businesses in Japan probably are planning how to get back up and running not just SE. Has anyone heard what the power company is planning on how to get it back up?

this was discussed in previous threads that mods already closed, let's just drop it before this thread heats up like the others. They know they are losing money and will do something about it. If they still haven't it's because they can't.
Just be patient and hope the nuclear danger settles cause that's the major issue slowing them down atm. no nuclear = 1/5 of Japan energy reduction.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Why not just move your servers temporarily over to one of your U.S. companies and run them from there where power is not an issue?

I think that be a much better solution then shutting down your game for like 2 months - because if you do that a lot of us are going to go find new games to play - and after bombing on FF14 I don't think you can afford to lose another wave of new players.

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Why would they move servers to US when they could do it in china which is much closer and much cheaper, do you think you are the center of the world ?

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Originally Posted by Sureal

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I think you are a little candid if you think any JP company is going to hold its activity for one month. This is not a film this is reality, this would litterally kill them. Most likely scenario is the electricty supply network will be ajusted in the following days.

Exactly. SE will get the games online as soon as they can. I'm certain many of the SE Japan employees are dealing with much more serious issue right now, let's remember SE is made up of people, many of which were either affected or have family/friends that were affected and continue to be affected by such a terrible tragedy. As soon as they return to work as usual, and have the means to restore FFXI/XIV without affecting energy scarcity, I'm certain they will. Everyone please accept this and consider donating your April fees to the Red Cross earthquake/tsunami fund for Japan.

In the meantime, we can entertain each other on here and be thankful the forum went live and is still up even though the game is not. ^^

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Originally Posted by Sureal

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No need to insult people for getting stuff off thier chests. There are more polite ways to do it :)

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please stay on topic of the thread a lot of threads have been locked because of a simple phrase like this in sighting arguments instead of topic related posts..

I personally don't know how SqEnix does thing so yes this is going to be IMO but I don't think there is another location for them to move things to, yes do to the situation over in Japan I don't think there is a possibility of transporting computer/gear/employees to another country not to mention all the financial difficulties it would bring to just simply up and move there are protocols in airports/sea ports and I think too much electrical / computer hardware would require permits and what not and basically would be a waste of time by the time they did do that chances are the servers will be up and running.. Even if it was to move to china (hypothetically) or australia.. and relocating would also require the property aspect to do this, do they have a building or land purchased or usable in another country to do this? I think no matter how bad we want this to happen SqEnix wasn't prepared for a situation like this to come about and you really couldn't foresee this happening either.. So for future reference if SqEnix has the resources and capabilities of doing it to appease the fan base they may create a secondary server in another location where it wouldn't be directly effected by the conditions in japan.. but like I said I don't see them moving this is feasible or even possible for a short term situation as they are stating.. Now unless your the fortune teller from jueno we would have to assume this is going to be a month shut down at most but long term if the situation isn't resolved then maybe SqEnix will decide to relocate even if temporarily ..
Are they reading this some ask? Yes they are they are monitoring these forums still and they have put their input in on occasion (like i said they have locked 2 threads today that ive seen) at least of ways of the admins and dev team at least..

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Originally Posted by Vivivivi

Exactly. SE will get the games online as soon as they can. I'm certain many of the SE Japan employees are dealing with much more serious issue right now, let's remember SE is made up of people, many of which were either affected or have family/friends that were affected and continue to be affected by such a terrible tragedy. As soon as they return to work as usual, and have the means to restore FFXI/XIV without affecting energy scarcity, I'm certain they will. Everyone please accept this and consider donating your April fees to the Red Cross earthquake/tsunami fund for Japan.

In the meantime, we can entertain each other on here and be thankful the forum went live and is still up even though the game is not. ^^

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Well said!

The perma solution would be to move the servers to Texas.
An area like San Antonio to Austin has no weather, no nothing. No tornados, no earthquakes, no ...... anything. Hardly even rain. Central-South Texas is immune to weather effects, and taxes, it's where a lot of companies HQs are, including Microsoft Xbox. (North Texas gets snow, South texas gets rain).
And, Texas has incredibly fast internet, it's where U-Verse launched. Plus, it's halfway between east and west coast.

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Why would they move servers to US when they could do it in china which is much closer and much cheaper, do you think you are the center of the world ?

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China has a lot of restrictions on internet and it may cause a problem by doing this.. They have implemented laws based on MMO related playing and servers in that country have a lot of rules they have to follow I said it previously as a hypothetical but more then likely as of reality it wouldn't be an option

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Originally Posted by Eadieni

The perma solution would be to move the servers to Texas.
An area like San Antonio to Austin has no weather, no nothing. No tornados, no earthquakes, no ...... anything. Hardly even rain. Central-South Texas is immune to weather effects, and taxes, it's where a lot of companies HQs are, including Microsoft Xbox. (North Texas gets snow, South texas gets rain).
And, Texas has incredibly fast internet, it's where U-Verse launched. Plus, it's halfway between east and west coast.

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Looking at the wiki page for U-verse, it looks like their best plan is 3 mbps up? That isn't even close to usable, and it sure as hell is not fast.

Fyi, you can get 1 gbps up/down for under $100/month in japan.

3mbs is not usable?

wow, spoiled much? i had to play on dialup for about 3 months, so trust me, 3mbs is MORE than enough

and unless your seeding for torrents, 3mbs is more than enough for pretty much anyone

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Originally Posted by Sureal

3mbs is not usable?

wow, spoiled much? i had to play on dialup for about 3 months, so trust me, 3mbs is MORE than enough

and unless your seeding for torrents, 3mbs is more than enough for pretty much anyone

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You seriously think 3 mbps is good enough to run ffxi's servers, with upwards of 50k+ connected at once? That'd be 61 BITS per second per user. No, that is not even close to usable.

A single 1 gbps connection wouldn't even be enough.

As far as personal use, i've got 5 mbps up myself, and no, it's really not enough. Even when i'm not seeding torrents, i easily cap that out, and wish i had more. If i had the money, i'd definitely pay the extra $50/month ($100/mo total) it'd cost me to upgrade to 100/15. Which still wouldn't be enough for me.

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Originally Posted by rog

Seriously? You want them to move the servers half way across the world, and then back again in a week or two? Really?

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Rog, please...people fly back and forth between japan and california on almost a daily basis - square could easily move the hardware to their headquarters in california if they needed to. BUT - i was fooled by a friend of mine that services had been suspended till the the middle of May, so i was somewhat the victim of a cruel prank :)

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Originally Posted by Topdogg

How would you move them? airport is destroyed, and the last time I looked boats were upside down. The last thing they're worried about is moving servers. lol

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Topdogg, most of japan is still perfectly intact, and there are many functional airports through-out the country. Let's not exagerate shall we.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Rog, please...people fly back and forth between japan and california on almost a daily basis - square could easily move the hardware to their headquarters in california if they needed to.

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Oh right, because if people can easily get from japan to California and back, then CLEARLY they can easily move hundreds (thousands? i dunno) of servers there, set them up, find an isp willing to provide them a dedicated 1 gbps+ line, installed same day, and canceled 1-2 weeks later, set the servers up, get them running, and then pack them up a week later, and fly them back to japan.

Sure, sounds plausible.

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Originally Posted by rog

You seriously think 3 mbps is good enough to run ffxi's servers, with upwards of 50k+ connected at once? That'd be 61 BITS per second per user. No, that is not even close to usable.

A single 1 gbps connection wouldn't even be enough.

As far as personal use, i've got 5 mbps up myself, and no, it's really not enough. Even when i'm not seeding torrents, i easily cap that out, and wish i had more. If i had the money, i'd definitely pay the extra $50/month ($100/mo total) it'd cost me to upgrade to 100/15. Which still wouldn't be enough for me.

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sorry, my fault, i read that as personal game, didnt connect it to servers, disregard my previous comment, having a brain fart day

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Originally Posted by rog

Oh right, because if people can easily get from japan to California and back, then CLEARLY they can easily move hundreds (thousands? i dunno) of servers there, set them up, find an isp willing to provide them a dedicated 1 gbps+ line, installed same day, and canceled 1-2 weeks later, set the servers up, get them running, and then pack them up a week later, and fly them back to japan.

Sure, sounds plausible.

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Well Rog, if it's only a week then you have a point - but like I said, i was a victim of a prank and was under the impression the suspension of services would last well into May.

But I still think Square could make the move if they needed to without too much hassle - but if it's still just a week i agree, better to just wait it out.

Really tired of these threads.... I was shocked the servers where running on the day of the quake and 2 days after. they have plants in trouble so everything not important got shut down.

why are people shocked SE shut the game down? if a word wide disaster that did not affect you personally would you insist them to move their servers to the moon?
Btw I googled to try to spell disaster and what do you think the first hit was?

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Originally Posted by Sureal

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This is a forum dedicated to FF11. If you have a problem with people discussing ways to play the game perhaps you should simply refrain from visiting forums about the game.

And I sure hope no earthquake every hits half the people on this forum, cause if they were ever to experience a real crisis they would probably resort to eating each other in some altered state of extreme raging hysteria they are so quick to turn on each other lol

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If you didn't want to be a part of the topic of SqEnix topic of possible relocating you wouldn't be involved so this isn't requirement to take part and comment your personal feelings man its ok we understand how you feel but at the same time people fail to understand that this forum is based off a game and its exactly what its being used for ask questions and get feedback for this wonderful game.. If SqEnix feels that this was not a legit thing to be doing based on current events they would of shut it down too but more then likely I think it was kept up to relieve some of us fans of the idea that we didnt have our LS our in game friends and our in game experience to enjoy and this is giving us some hope and enjoyment while they are doing their civic duty and helping out what they can .. Not every topic has to revert to this insulting and bashing/trolling of thoughts..

Anyone know what kinda bit/bite rate is needed for a server farm lets go with the hypotetical size of FFXI what kinda of upload/download rate would you need to have an effective server

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Originally Posted by Rambus

Really tired of these threads.... I was shocked the servers where running on the day of the quake and 2 days after. they have plants in trouble so everything not important got shut down.

why are people shocked SE shut the game down? if a word wide disaster that did not affect you personally would you insist them to move their servers to the moon?
Btw I googled to try to spell disaster and what do you think the first hit was?

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Rambus, no one is making you post on this thread. If you are tired of it, then simply stay out of. Problem solved - else stop complaining about something you are actively participating in. Secondly, you exagerating to the absurd and comparing moving servers to California to being equal to that of moving them to the moon destroys w/e credibility your argument could have.

Stop the hysteria. It's just a post on a forum. Everything will be ok lol

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Secondly, you exagerating to the absurd and comparing moving servers to California to being equal to that of moving them to the moon destroys w/e credibility your argument could have

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I don't know if we moved it to the moon other then the occasional asteroid it might work.. besides that maybe the martians could help us improve our bandwith too?

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Originally Posted by annewandering

Hows the internet in Australia? Thats not all that far away.

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Terrible.

Also, with the right skillz, you could move the servers without moving any physical equipment :p
Not saying it would be worth it. Undertaking such a job now, without even having a stable power supply, would probably take half of the time needed for the power grid to get back up over there :p.

I don't think the 10+ second latency to the moon would be acceptable for playing ffxi.

With FF11's slow pace, people would hardly notice it!

Australia you need to get your internet up to standards!! It would be a problem to move the servers, if they arent updated off site and out of country already, without moving physical equipment. Problem being the electric system is unreliable which makes the internet unreliable.