Inventory Increase, New Satchel, Infinite (sortable) Item box in MogHouse

Let's start talking about storage and inventory space. I know I am not alone that if you have adequate to excellent gear and macros for your jobs, we definitely need more than 80 spaces in base inventory, or a linked bag of some kind, or heck even an "infinite and sortable storage system within the moghouse wopuld be awesome. Muling is such a waste of time and even still many things can't be sent. I wind up going to VW and have to toss all my logs and ores instead of npcing them due to lack of inventory space.

I hate to be the one to say this but due to PS2 limitations (in this case its true) anything over 80 space is impossible. At least that's the story they've given us. Linking bags may work however, for the same reason 80 is max per bag type 160 would be the max for a linked bag, since that is the maximum allowed items the PS2 can process. (this is also why 80/80 is cap)

At this point I'd be happy if they could just make MH Storage accessible from anywhere - like they said they would. Months ago. -.-

Sadly, it's been mentioned several times that 80 spaces in one thingy is the limit. Of course, I'd still love to hear about the impossibilities of other ways to make some kind, any kind, of additional macro-from-able space. I'd love to hear about the possibilities even more.

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Originally Posted by Bntyhuntrx

I wind up going to VW and have to toss all my logs and ores instead of npcing them due to lack of inventory space.

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I love how the logs and ores are now so awful that selling them a very special lady in Lower Jeuno is the only realistic option, rather than using the Auction House at all. I think they've actually made themselves worse by dropping so relentlessly.

Giving our in moghouse moogle the same options as a porter moogle would also be quite helpful. Its annoying/timely to job change when you have items on the porter moogle.

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Originally Posted by Zinato

I hate to be the one to say this but due to PS2 limitations (in this case its true) anything over 80 space is impossible. At least that's the story they've given us. Linking bags may work however, for the same reason 80 is max per bag type 160 would be the max for a linked bag, since that is the maximum allowed items the PS2 can process. (this is also why 80/80 is cap)

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You know, I keep reading this all the time and there's one thing that screams BS..

The next time you look at the auction house list of items remember there's a limit of 80 per list. (sarcasm). If SE wanted to increase mog house storage it could be programmed like this too.

The maximum processed items means the item is recognized as owned. When you store things placing them in mail, in the auction house, or storage slips they're no longer processed as owned. This is why you can own more then one exclusive item when its stored outside the process pool. The main problem amounts to SE creating the same type of "processed" storage and because of this design it's limited to 80.

The truth is we're only hearing half the story. Yes, there is a process limitation of 80 at once and yes to overcome this limitation they split it into multiple inventories. I assume to avoid limitations all storage areas are processed once before deciding owned status. If this process was eliminated we could technically have more storage.

On a final note, giving players a database storage system would allow almost unlimited storage and I doubt they'd want to do this. Not only would it take a lot of time to program but reduce the number of players paying for mules.

I'd be happy with being able to access storage from any mog house for now. If you use the features they gave us you shouldnt' really be running out of room if you've fully upgraded everything.

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Originally Posted by Zinato

I hate to be the one to say this but due to PS2 limitations (in this case its true) anything over 80 space is impossible. At least that's the story they've given us. Linking bags may work however, for the same reason 80 is max per bag type 160 would be the max for a linked bag, since that is the maximum allowed items the PS2 can process. (this is also why 80/80 is cap)

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They could give us a Gobbie Box for our MH with a number of 80-slot sections we can switch between. Of course, there's no telling what horrors they'd make us go through for such a thing.

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Originally Posted by Bntyhuntrx

I know I am not alone that if you have adequate to excellent gear and macros for your jobs, we definitely need more than 80 spaces in base inventory.

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If you have macros needing to swap in gear that won't fit into 80 slots you're clearly extremely over-the-top in terms of min/maxing, nothing in the game would demand that insane amount of gear swapping.

Maybe if you didn't use a third-party macro machine it would help.

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

If you have macros needing to swap in gear that won't fit into 80 slots you're clearly extremely over-the-top in terms of min/maxing, nothing in the game would demand that insane amount of gear swapping.

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Just like I'd call you a noob for not using the full extent of your inventory. I'm too good in your eyes, you're too bad in mine. Works out just fine.

The limit is actually 160 items or two sets of 80 at once. It's a memory limit on the PS2 which only has 32MB of system memory. To allow bigger active inventory's they would have to remove something else from active memory. This is also why the auto-translate system hasn't been updated with all the new terms.

Honestly it's one of those things that piss's me off. A 10+ year old platform is holding the entire game back.

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

If you have macros needing to swap in gear that won't fit into 80 slots you're clearly extremely over-the-top in terms of min/maxing, nothing in the game would demand that insane amount of gear swapping.

Maybe if you didn't use a third-party macro machine it would help.

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That's just rubbish. And most people want/need a few open inventory slots for things like pop items, and loot - imagine being at 78/80 when doing voidwatch and having to take stuff out of the chest one by one. I don't view myself as extremely over-the-top in terms of min/maxing but what I just described frequently happens to me.

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If you have macros needing to swap in gear that won't fit into 80 slots you're clearly extremely over-the-top in terms of min/maxing, nothing in the game would demand that insane amount of gear swapping.

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I remember a dev post ages ago about this and them saying part of the reason for limited inventory was due to game balance or game difficulty in that you had to pick what gear was most important to take and what not etc. So no guarantee they would increase it even if they could.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

I remember a dev post ages ago about this and them saying part of the reason for limited inventory was due to game balance or game difficulty in that you had to pick what gear was most important to take and what not etc.

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I definitely remember people saying that, I've never heard it from a development bro though. The people who said it were openly mocked, and for good reason.

If windower and spellcast can make us equip 'sets' why can't they code a way for us to define 'sets' in an alternate equip menu where we 'attach' gear to empty slots like the automaton menu and save equip palettes that we can name and reference in our macros so we can type /equipset "Evisceration" and it will equip all of the gear we defined under the equip palette that we named Evisceration.

Stop gear hoarding.

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Originally Posted by Tinuviel

Stop gear hoarding.

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Because a large - very large - part of this game isn't about gear hoarding?

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Originally Posted by Tinuviel

Stop gear hoarding.

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Until they come out with more readily obtainable, more appropriate universal pieces.....this will always be a problem.

It would be nice if they would just allow logs, skins, and horns to stack. That way people who want work on their crafting skills don't have to sacrifice space for skins to make leathers or space to make lumbers.

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Originally Posted by Tinuviel

Stop gear hoarding.

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Stop playing the game the way it's been played for 10 years? Okay...

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Originally Posted by Bntyhuntrx

Let's start talking about storage and inventory space. I know I am not alone that if you have adequate to excellent gear and macros for your jobs, we definitely need more than 80 spaces in base inventory, or a linked bag of some kind, or heck even an "infinite and sortable storage system within the moghouse wopuld be awesome. Muling is such a waste of time and even still many things can't be sent. I wind up going to VW and have to toss all my logs and ores instead of npcing them due to lack of inventory space.

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I agree! ^^b

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Originally Posted by Special.

Mule it. Mule it back later.

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I'm sure not the only Customer but.. I have given and still giving Square Enix a lot of My money as it is, If I "Need" to pay for another Character, To fix a "Problem" with an MMORPG, There is something wrong. If this is the only way to fix a "Problem" within this Company. Which their making their Customers fix the problem for themselves.. Just isn't right, Mules or at least one should be free at this point.

I made a Character within Final Fantasy XI, Which is my main Character that I only want to use nonetheless. I farmed, I leveled, I skilled it all up. The Companies inventory system is flawed to where "Us" The Customer have to spend more time and money for access to more inventory space. Which in fact its a problem on the Companies part not ours. The main point is for inventory space as to farming and getting the gear we want and use on our main Character as well as to Play the game!, It's not Fantasy Mules.

I personally think that the security token shouldn't be tied to the Mog Satchel, It is for Security not inventory that is just bad marketing to me. Maybe giving the Customer the Mog Satchel without having to buy a security token. Adding a bank sharing system to use with our account might help a little. Not having to mule A.k.a logging out and switching between Characters running to the Auction House to Delivery Box then back to Mog House in order to get/send apiece of Equipment would be great. As the system is now its getting old.

If in fact "not saying it is" the inventory issue is connected with the Playstation 2 limitations or the Xbox Re-log problems. Well sh!t on the Consoles, So sad moving on..., I would like to suggest making the PC user accounts inventory bigger.

If you think that the Security token should not be tied to the Mog Satchel or you're tired of muling for gear as well as having a mule just to access more inventory space, I feel for you.

Dear Dev's, Could you please forward this to the man, @ Square Enix. Thanks for you're time. ^^

Edit; As threads go on and pages go long things are mostly forgotten, So making this thread and maybe Square Enix will fix things seeing they only talk to the OP for the most part.

It's ONE DOLLAR PER MONTH. Christ. That's not gonna break the bank. Aren't you the same people who are telling PS2 players "quit being such a cheapskate, you can get a new computer for three or four hundred bucks!"

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

It's ONE DOLLAR PER MONTH. Christ. That's not gonna break the bank. Aren't you the same people who are telling PS2 players "quit being such a cheapskate, you can get a new computer for three or four hundred bucks!"

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I would rather put the ONE DOLLAR PER MONTH into something else then a Mule. It's called Presonal Prefence.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

I would rather put the ONE DOLLAR PER MONTH into something else then a Mule. It's called Presonal Prefence.

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This. Also there's no denying the current system is flawed regardless. And laggy as heck. Drag & drop between characters' inventories would be very helpful also. Waiting for a server to register 8 little BMPs, zoning back to the Mog House, zoning, running back to the AH is just stupid, takes alot of time (as does 99.9999% of things in the game), and yes - getting very old and redundant. Maybe I'm just impatient? I don't know....Just my humble opinion. =)

Yes, it's just a dollar, but those are my dollars, and those dollars add up, over the 8+ years I have played this game - just to put a band-aid on SE's outdated system, and more $$$ in SE's pockets. :p

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

It's ONE DOLLAR PER MONTH. Christ. That's not gonna break the bank. Aren't you the same people who are telling PS2 players "quit being such a cheapskate, you can get a new computer for three or four hundred bucks!"

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Here's the difference. While one dollar per person to gain extra inventory will help the inventory issue. (Mind you this doesn't do anything for the hassle of muling over gear for certain jobs and is just one dollar more towards XIV 2.0) The difference being removing ps2 from the system entirely solves many many more issues. Lack of auto-translate in a multicultural game, lack of new zones (yes they can add them but only so many we only know 1/5 of Vanadiel), lag, macro-size, graphical changes. This is but a small list, all of which is being held back by the PS2. (also with upgrading systems you are not paying SE for a shortcoming of SE. If you think about it as not that big of deal why should they change it? After all if it makes them more money its a BAD thing to fix it? Its like selling a broken item and charging to repair it, its that principle that makes 1 dollar unreasonable.)

Inventory is the only thing the PS2 is holding back, really. Graphical changes they've already started to implement for PC only (so far only interface changes, but graphical changes may be possible as well, though unlikely they'll ever do it, with or without the PS2).

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Inventory is the only thing the PS2 is holding back, really. Graphical changes they've already started to implement for PC only (so far only interface changes, but graphical changes may be possible as well, though unlikely they'll ever do it, with or without the PS2).

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Did you even read my post?

The game can store hundreds of items on any system. They just need to use a different method to store them. This wouldn't work for swapping but it would work for near "unlimited storage" inside a mog house.

Need proof. look at the ah and tell me how can the game load that auction house list on a ps2 if it's limited to 80 items? Some of those list exceed 160 items.

Please think about it not to sound rude but its obvious people will believe anything they're told if the developer says it.

If you're talking only about swappable processed space then the PS2 has a limit. Still players can have a storage that is outside the the limitations. SE doesn't want to do this so we're only hearing half the truth.

it's more an issue of what space is left in memory after everything else is accounted for in the game. The PS2 has a limited amount of memory to use for all operations. It was designed with only so much space reserved for certain registers to ensure assets would be available for other processes. Granted, whether those assets remain unused and could be transferred could be open to debate. There could also be the issue that such unused resources might be needed for future plans, so they are unwilling to release them to something else.

As for the AH, that's a different animal I guess. Ever notice how long it takes for that list to load? Notice how it loads in chunks? And you can only scroll down so far, then you have to wait for the next block to load? It's like it is stacking blocks...kind of like how you have your normal inventory with the temp items stacked on top in a seperate block. When you auto-sort the temp block, it doesn't auto-sort your normal block--have to select a normal item to sort normal inventory because they are seperate containers. So, even though it may be possible to stack multiple containers in a list view, there is the performance issue that has to be taken into effect. Think about how bad things lag sometimes just loading the AH list. Imagine that happening in the field....mid fight, trying to unpack a toolbag or quiver, or gettting at that item you need right away that isn't on a macro.

There's a lot more to consider besides just whether it is possible.

why would a company want to miss an opportunity to profit?

am i missing something, or is this thread full of completely naive people?

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Originally Posted by Zerich

why would a company want to miss an opportunity to profit?

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Pretty much this.

You remember that update where they made it so you could send EX items to mules on the same account?

Do you think SE did that solely to alleviate player inventory issues?

Hell no. They did it because it gave players another reason to pay them an extra $1 or 2 a month.

Having a game designed around collecting gear, and then sticking with a system that almost forces you to use mules that you have to pay extra for if you want to hold it all, is a business decision. Some people will pay for mules, others won't, but until it can be proven that enough people are cancelling their accounts entirely that they would actually make MORE money by making mules free (or spending the development time to work on system improvements that remove the need to use them) there is no business reason to change it.

Personally, I think it's a brilliant business move, even if it is kind of a dick-ish one. But, this is SE we are talking about.

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Originally Posted by Sarick

Did you even read my post?

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Barely, but I wasn't talking to you. Your post was mostly assumption on both what's actually going on in the code as well as about the effects your "solutions" would have.

Setting aside for a minute that the AH may be in a completely seperate memory location with preassigned memory just for it to use, it's different from the inventory in that it's just a list of numbers that's loaded into memory and nothing else. These numbers are then translated to names when they're being displayed (by a hashmap or w/e works fast in this case). The inventory is more than that, it stores metadata for each item as well. It's not just item names (or IDs), but also the quantity of items (irrelevant for the AH list, since there can only be one or a stack, with stack size being predetermined), augment data, charge data, usability check (whether or not you can use/consume them), bazaar check, etc. They're also different in that the items that can be loaded into the AH list are limited, whereas every item in the game can be in your inventory.

Secondly, you assume people would benefit from unlimited storage, but it would lead to abuse. And I'm not even talking about intentional abuse, but people being careless and flooding both the server as well as their own client and possibly loading items for a minute (and knowing some hoarders out there quite possibly more) every time they zone to download their complete item list with all the attached metadata.

Thirdly, you're being very vague with saying "database storage". How exactly would database storage work? Do you mean load it in a tree structure instead of a list? Or load it from the hard drive at runtime, through a tree to limit accessing cost? Elaborate on what exactly you mean, because all of the things I could think of have other drawbacks attached to them.

Regardless of all of that, all I said was that the PS2 is holding back inventory developments. Even if the PS2 wasn't the only reason for that, and changes could be implemented as it is now, that statement would still hold true.

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Originally Posted by Sarick

Please think about it not to sound rude but its obvious people will believe anything they're told if the developer says it.

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That made me chuckle.

I must be the only person who has plenty of space for full gear for several jobs with no active mules. Just don't keep things you don't really need to keep, store old stuff on the available NPCs, and you're fine. unless you're so hardcore that you have all jobs to 99 and a full, complete, pro set of gear for all of them and you don't reuse anything from one job on aother, the storage available to us right now is adequate.

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Originally Posted by Tinuviel

Stop gear hoarding.

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Welcome to FFXI: post Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Zerich

why would a company want to miss an opportunity to profit?

am i missing something, or is this thread full of completely naive people?

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They could charge people $$$ a month to add another 300 slots to their main account. It would be a lot more convenient, and SE could still make their money.

To the "we don't need more space" crowd: Yes you do. Your just not smart enough to know it.

There is an alternative to increasing inventory space which players have been asking SE to implement again and again for years: gear consolidation. A very common idea is to allow consolidation of all 8 elemental damage magian staves into one. Side effect: new time sink for BLMs most of whom just have ice and thunder and now need to trial up 6 more staves.

Inventory problems are impossible to solve. Junk expands to fill the space. All that giving you more inventory space would accomplish is that it you would have more junk you don't need that you refuse to throw away.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Inventory problems are impossible to solve. Junk expands to fill the space. All that giving you more inventory space would accomplish is that it you would have more junk you don't need that you refuse to throw away.

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That's right like the 8 elemental staves, 8 obis, 8 gorgets, 7 spaces of relic currency +various upgrade items, 5 types of forgotten items, 13 mog slips, 8 types of geodes and 8 more avatarites, various seals/+2/empy, the dozens of VW drops that are so rare dropping is nothing short of foolish. (and on the VW note, if they are dropped they cant be used for tickets in the future) Otherwise you have a valid point.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Inventory problems are impossible to solve. Junk expands to fill the space. All that giving you more inventory space would accomplish is that it you would have more junk you don't need that you refuse to throw away.

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And why do you care how much useless crap I can hold? oh wait. trolling. got it.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

it's more an issue of what space is left in memory after everything else is accounted for in the game. The PS2 has a limited amount of memory to use for all operations. It was designed with only so much space reserved for certain registers to ensure assets would be available for other processes. Granted, whether those assets remain unused and could be transferred could be open to debate. There could also be the issue that such unused resources might be needed for future plans, so they are unwilling to release them to something else.

As for the AH, that's a different animal I guess. Ever notice how long it takes for that list to load? Notice how it loads in chunks? And you can only scroll down so far, then you have to wait for the next block to load? It's like it is stacking blocks...kind of like how you have your normal inventory with the temp items stacked on top in a seperate block. When you auto-sort the temp block, it doesn't auto-sort your normal block--have to select a normal item to sort normal inventory because they are seperate containers. So, even though it may be possible to stack multiple containers in a list view, there is the performance issue that has to be taken into effect. Think about how bad things lag sometimes just loading the AH list. Imagine that happening in the field....mid fight, trying to unpack a toolbag or quiver, or gettting at that item you need right away that isn't on a macro.

There's a lot more to consider besides just whether it is possible.

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The point is it's possible to have unlimited storage. The space limitations are client side most of the time. AH and mog mail store that data on the server side. It does take longer to load because you download it but it's there.

I just want there to be a dedicated furnishings section for the MH (make it 50 slots or so) to put my furniture into that won't take up space from my Mog House. Heck, even do a -1 storage from all furnishings to make up for the lack of real inventory space it won't consume with that adjustment.