New 99 trials

So the "new" trials for the lvl99 ultimate weapons are as follows:

20 Umbral Marrow (ADL) for Relic Weapons
10 Mulcibar's Scoria (PW) for Mythic Weapons
60 Riftdross/cinder (Ig-Alima/Botulus Rex) for Empyrean Weapons

Credit to Byrth on BG and JP sources.

Just a 'lil commentary: Why 20 ADL items and not kills SE? With the abundance of Relic weapons, the high manpower requirement for ADL and the single drop per kill you're encouraging the oldschool tiering of players that you tried to escape with the previous trials.

No need to answer. I know the reason is to bottleneck the 99 relics due to the ease of reaching 95. Just talking to myself.

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The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them.

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seeing as ADL is still a crapshoot at 99, because of the blatant luck factor, the change accomplished nothing.

You guys really should have made it killshots so people can team up.

Realistically, you can only pop ADL once per day (sometimes you can get lucky on pops, and sometimes you get unlucky). Realistically, you're going to get a ~75% kill rate on ADL (if you kill the wrong clone twice in a row, your buffs will probably have wiped by then and you're done).

Since theres no teamup factor involved in the ridiculously stupid "get drop, turn in drop" system you guys want, you're pretty much looking at ~1 month per relic. Lets presume, in your 18 person alliance, which you WILL need for ADL, everyone has one relic, you're looking at a year and a half to upgrade everyones relic to 99a.


Once again, you guys have accomplished absolutely nothing.

What in the living hell is this crap here. I expected a DL kill spree because it makes sense, and the ADL shit for afterglow. 20 ADL is the REALISTIC trial for afterglow btw. Same with the other weapon trials. Just saying, SE.

Lots of Relics will be stuck at 95, probably all Mythics (thats 33 days of zeni)

I agree this is complete stupid bullshit. I won't take my anger out on the reps because they are just relaying the message BUT don't tell me these are just numbers put on the test server as place holders. Star Wars Galaxies and many other MMOs are gonna be getting my money very shortly if you don't change your stupidity SE.

Make it 20 DL kills so we can team up.
Or
10000 WS kills
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Your comment that MOST of us will obtain. You are really kidding yourselves here.

Wow. Just.... wow.

This is just about the dumbest thing I have seen in all of my time on FFXI:

"The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them."

Are you effing kidding me?

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Originally Posted by Lynchilles

Wow. Just.... wow.

This is just about the dumbest thing I have seen in all of my time on FFXI:

"The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them."

Are you effing kidding me?

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They really are pushing their player base away. No FFXI means no funding for FFXIV so think about it SE

Still unreasonable.

20 for ADL and 10 for mythic is fine but make it kills rather than drops.

Linkshells will band together and grind out the kills if it's just killshots, if it's single drops they will just ignore it and I can safely say all my linkshell's relics will stay at 95.

In short I'd say change it to:

- 20x Arch Dynamis Lord kills
- 10x Pandemonium Warden kills
- 60x Either Botulus or Ig-Alima kills

This will also have the added effect of bringing items into the game for those 1 or 2 crazy people doing the HQ trial.

I don't know if I should bash my head against a wall, cry, laugh hysterically or just yell "I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT!!!".

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

20 for ADL and 10 for mythic is fine but make it kills rather than drops.

Linkshells will band together and grind out the kills if it's just killshots, if it's single drops they will just ignore it and I can safely say all my linkshell's relics will stay at 95.

In short I'd say change it to:

- 20x Arch Dynamis Lord kills
- 10x Pandemonium Warden kills
- 60x Either Botulus or Ig-Alima kills

This will also have the added effect of bringing items into the game for those 1 or 2 crazy people doing the HQ trial.

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MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE TO BE BALANCED

And now we run into the problem where some level 99 holders will continue to horde the items under the idea they are going to finish the Afterglow trial, thus denying some people their shots at getting the 99 to begin with.

Assuming it's the same item, which I think it will be.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

And now we run into the problem where some level 99 holders will continue to horde the items under the idea they are going to finish the Afterglow trial, thus denying some people their shots at getting the 99 to begin with.

Assuming it's the same item, which I think it will be.

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As of right now it is.

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20 Umbral Marrow (ADL) for Relic Weapons
10 Mulcibar's Scoria (PW) for Mythic Weapons
60 Riftdross/cinder (Ig-Alima/Botulus Rex) for Empyrean Weapons

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This should be the afterglow trial lol This is in no way reasonable as something for people to work on.

I know that this will lead to either RMT or some shells making merc groups for and everyone buying them off them but it's still retarded. These are supposed to be things we work on, not pay others to do. These should of been killshot counters of 40-50, not item collection for 1! person.

If each trial was harder and harder working up to this then it's a little more acceptable but why make getting these weapons easier and then kick people in the face with such a stupid trial as this?

Someone needs to learn what balance means over at SE HQ.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

20 Umbral Marrow (ADL) for Relic Weapons
10 Mulcibar's Scoria (PW) for Mythic Weapons
60 Riftdross/cinder (Ig-Alima/Botulus Rex) for Empyrean Weapons

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That's retarded.
With the amount of relics/Empys around they are just enforcing selfish behaviours and a bad type of competition.
They should have looked for synergy among trials, to keep things in the cycle.
Like having NQ lv99 requiring ADL, PW, IG-Alima and Botulus KILLS, so that people would have had motivation to help others to get the necessary items for their lv99+1 Relics/Mythics/Empys.

This way it's just useless competition.
I'm so disappointed to see things going this way, and so sad to know they won't change before they hit the live servers.

And this was supposed to be reasonable and easy to obtain? lol...

No way players are gonna "work together" to update their weapons, they're gonna fight against each other! Such a crappy way of designing the last tier of updates...

No idea why this is not the afterglow trial and the first trail should just be kills...

Guess I'll just continue to spend my money on star wars the old republic. Hopefully the player base here can continue to all speak out about these bad trials and get some changes that players can actually accomplish.

Good luck guys.

Non of you are FORCED to take it to 99 only the psycho crazy pros will. 95 emps/myth/relics are still the strongest weapons in the game.

thank god pld(aegis) is shit, safe!

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

Non of you are FORCED to take it to 99 only the psycho crazy pros will. 95 emps/myth/relics are still the strongest weapons in the game.

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you do know that relics actually get a boost at 99 in WS to come closer to empys lvl 90 (yes you need a lvl 99 relic to compete with an empy)

most retarded comment ever

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

Non of you are FORCED to take it to 99 only the psycho crazy pros will. 95 emps/myth/relics are still the strongest weapons in the game.

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All of your posts on every single forum you post on make me so god damn angry.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

Non of you are FORCED to take it to 99 only the psycho crazy pros will. 95 emps/myth/relics are still the strongest weapons in the game.

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Let me explain.

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Originally Posted by Camate

I’d like to share the developers’ thoughts and plan for these new trials and upgrades.

When it comes to the first stage of upgrades for relic/mythic/empyrean weapons, this is considered to be the weapon’s complete form and is also the one the developers expect most players can achieve. They don’t want to dangle a carrot in front of everyone saying, “you can make these weapons even more powerful!” and then make it so only small fraction of players achieve this.

On the other hand, as some of you have already mentioned, the second stage of these weapon enhancements is left for those players who wish to go above and beyond—the “completionists” so to speak. This is why there will be no difference in weapon skill damage or other stats and only an AoE benefit as well as a special effect will be given for completing this upgrade.

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See the bolded part? That is why people are people are losing it.

They did state those are "Temporary" numbers. So we will see how that turns out. But I totally agree with the rest of you that kills should be the trials and items should be for afterglow. This means I would have to get 40 Unbral just to do Aegis and Excal and then get 120 MORE items for LS members. That's alot of god damn items... not to mention a lot of time making pop sets. Although the number for the VW NM I have to say it should be higher just because you can just spam those back to back, no farming pop sets nor having a 2 hour time limit. That is of course if it was kills.

It really should be 20 Arch DL KILLS, not Umbral Marrows. :/

That would at least promote team work, and would aid the few people that actually *want* to get a Stage 2 lvl99 Relic. The Stage 1 Relic weapon holders could help out the Stage 2 person by helping kill ADL, and the person after Stage 2 wouldn't have to compete with Stage 1 Relics for Umbral Marrow. (or at least they'd only be competing with other Stage 2 Relics).

As it stands right now, I personally feel I have a MUCH better chance at completing 10 PWs or 60 Riftcinder/dross as opposed to fighting over the hordes of other relic holders for a lvl 99 Relic.

Not to mention, my relic is Gjallarhorn... ._.

Assuming they keep the 20 number, my LS is pretty much going to be stuck in dynamis until the end of FFXI.

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Originally Posted by casual

Assuming they keep the 20 number, my LS is pretty much going to be stuck in dynamis until the end of FFXI.

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Good thing your name is casual then.

I'd rather do 20 ADL kills per weapon instead of even having to obtain 1 umbral marrow (presuming its 1 drop per kill at 100%, I have yet to see a double drop on ADL or PW)

It's 100x more feasable to shout for 17 people 20 times who need ADL kills for their relics easily (I dont really have that problem to begin with, 2 of my friends have gjallars, both my alt's have magery jobs lvled, one with smn) over finding 17 people who WANT to kill ADL. Why? Because once they get their marrow....theyre not comin back lol. Atleast if you have to kill it 20 times, you're going to come back 20 times, and are forced to help others while you help yourself.

...........items per weapon.....are these people on crack? This is full on retarded considering the extent of which you have to go just to get 1 person done compared to how many total weapons are in circulation today. How is this reasonably attainable by all players give the amount of time per person it takes?

Why have trials turned into stupid fetch quests!? Not to mention ridiculously hard fetch quests.. Bring the orginal Trials back, actually USING the weapons! none of the fetching nonsense that is so unfair.

I think 10 PW items is pretty BS given you can pop ADL in a single 2 hour run and PW takes WAY more farming to be able to pop.

The trial should have been simply to clear all of the Arch bosses once with your weapon equipped.

This would mean you "beat" new Dynamis and for said task you'd be rewarded with the most powerful weapon the event has to offer you. Encourages teamwork, throws a goal to clear all the new challenges and would be 10 days minimum invested to walk away with a 99.

But that sounds too reasonable.

@DrForester: I think any number of items from those particular NMs is pretty BS.

I don't understand why they don't want to make them kills. They want to make the weapons rare, and that's fine -- but it'd still take AGEs to kill 1000 ADLs / 500 PWs. The weapons would still be rare and at least you could team up and get them done together. This is a much better alternative than the items(but that's imo). I'd much rather do 1000 ADL kills over 1000 ADL items, though 1000 is still way too much even in that case.

And just to clarify this is for the 99 upgrade? or the shiny weapon upgrade?

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

The trial should have been simply to clear all of the Arch bosses once with your weapon equipped.

This would mean you "beat" new Dynamis and for said task you'd be rewarded with the most powerful weapon the event has to offer you. Encourages teamwork, throws a goal to clear all the new challenges and would be 10 days minimum invested to walk away with a 99.

But that sounds too reasonable.

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But they have to go old-school with these weapons. You need the LS leader using the linkshell to upgrade his relic, stealing the LS bank, and quitting the game!

Almost everything this team adds, adjust, or fiddle with is hated and stupid. It's like they want to alienate the entire playerbase and drive us all away.

Please give us back the Aby team...

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Originally Posted by DrForester

And just to clarify this is for the 99 upgrade? or the shiny weapon upgrade?

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This is for the stage 1, level 99 weapon.

Stage 2 super special awesome glowy weapon trial seems to require the same item, just in larger quantities.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Almost everything this team adds, adjust, or fiddle with is hated and stupid. It's like they want to alienate the entire playerbase and drive us all away.

Please give us back the Aby team...

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You do realize the current Director of FFXI is the same battle director for abyssea right?

japanese forum GM[Foxclon] says

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Originally Posted by Foxclon

こんにちは。
Hello.

レリックウェポン／ミシックウェポン／エンピリアンウェポンの強化に関する続報です。
The follow-up on strengthening Relic Weapon / Mythic Weapon / Empyrean Weapon.

先日、強化にあたってのメイジャンの試練に2段階のステップを用意するとお伝えしていますが、今週のテストサーバー更新では、その方針に基づいて各装備品につき2つの試練が追加される予定です。
Recently that are unbiased and have a two-step the test of Trial of the Magians with updated test server this week, will be added to the test of two per equipment for each based on its policies.

強化に必要なアイテムは以下の通りですが、必要数については現段階でも検証と調整を続けていますので、仮のものとしてご覧ください。
Items needed are as follows: to strengthen, the number needed to verify and adjust it continues to be at this stage, please refer to as provisional.

また、この試練の導入に伴い、花鳥風月において封獣板をNPC"Sanraku"にトレードした際に得られるモンの量を引き上げる予定です。
In addition, the introduction of this test, In addition, we will raise the volume of trade in Zeni NPC"Sanraku" obtained when the Soul Plate at Cosmic Elucidation.

※調整方針については、前回お伝えした内容から変更ありません。
※Adjustment policies have not changed from what we reported previously.


1st step　※Quantity is the value of any formal.
Weapons group Details of the trial
Relic Weapon Come collect a specified number of specific items. Meet criteria:Umbral Marrow 20
Mythic Weapon Come collect a specified number of specific items. Meet criteria:Mulcibar's Scoria 10
Empyrean Weapon group 1 Come collect a specified number of specific items. Meet criteria:Riftcinder 60
Empyrean Weapon group 2 Come collect a specified number of specific items. Meet criteria:Riftdross 60

2nd step　※Quantity is the value of any formal.
Weapons group Details of the trial
Relic Weapon Come collect a specified number of specific items. Meet criteria:Umbral Marrow 1,000
Mythic Weapon Come collect a specified number of specific items. Meet criteria:Mulcibar's Scoria 500
Empyrean Weapon group 1 Come collect a specified number of specific items. Meet criteria:Riftcinder 3,000
Empyrean Weapon group 2 Come collect a specified number of specific items. Meet criteria:Riftdross 3,000


Empyrean Weapon group 1:Verethragna Almace Farsha Redemption Rhongomiant Masamune Gandiva Daurdabla
Empyrean Weapon group 2:Twashtar Caladbolg Ukonvasara Kannagi Gambanteinn Hvergelmir Armageddon Ochain

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Relic trial shouldn't even be arch DL. Should be Kill DL 20-30 times. Mythic trial should be kill beastmen kings like 10 times each. Emp trial should be something to do with Shinryuu, like 30 kills.

I'll repeat what I said in other thread with a few additions.

1) community is older now we don't have the time to devote to farming in alliances of 18 for months and months
2) Asking people to get 18 players for kills to benefit 1 person is unreasonable
3) other MMOs reward long subscription with exclusive items to players who stay with the game; SE's reward is to tier players into those who can afford to stay in game 24/7 and punish their long-time tenured subscribers who have paid their dues years ago with trials like what is being proposed for mythics and relics.
4) Make tier 1 kills with weapon equipped so players work together. Actually just make both trials reasonable for the rest of the world, not by SE's masochistic standards.
5) With new consoles coming out in the next 24 months, I have no problem jumping ship and play other games instead, including Monster Hunter (JPs have mentioned this too) instead of spending $40 a month supporting this game.
6) Yoichi Wada should be fired for allowing the FFXI team to kill the goose the laid their golden eggs and financially propped up SE during their failure to transition into a HD developer

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6) Yoichi Wada should be fired for allowing the FFXI team to kill the goose the laid their golden eggs and financially propped up SE during their failure to transition into a HD developer

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It's pretty sad hwo they turned a mostly happy playerbase during Abyssea into a hateful angry bunch we are now, putting the "old" team back in charge when they are so rigid and unmoving on their ideas was a very bad idea. They ruined FFXIV and now they put them back in charge of this game. The only problem I have with them is they just don't budge an inch on their ideas and their ideas are mostly to torture us.