We need An Alternate Way to make black belt new magian trial chain

make it easier for the new monks to get black belt

yeah, the only reason i don't level monk is because of blackbelt. it's too hard to get 99 kindred seals and those fights are really hard too...

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Originally Posted by Yarly

yeah, the only reason i don't level monk is because of blackbelt. it's too hard to get 99 kindred seals and those fights are really hard too...

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those KS99 fights are basically jokes now a day. Was beating is with just 4-5 ppl even back @ 85. So @ 99, the bigger issue is farming up all the KS's.

Why? Black Belt is not required. Black Belt is not something you intrinsically deserve.

Oh wait. I just noticed the OP's username. Hordecore is now outsourcing his stupid ideas to sock puppets?

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Originally Posted by Yarly

yeah, the only reason i don't level monk is because of blackbelt. it's too hard to get 99 kindred seals and those fights are really hard too...

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They're easy, with the turtle being annoying, but NOT hard.

That said, don't ask this, they'll make it even stupider to get like they did in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Oh wait. I just noticed the OP's username. Hordecore is now outsourcing his stupid ideas to sock puppets?

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Maybe they banned his "main?"

MNK was my first job, and probably my best geared and greatest love, but I never bothered with Black Belt. Back in the old days, you'd need a HNM LS, which would have to camp mobs that spawned once every 21-24 hours. I camped Adamantoise with a linkshell ONCE. We waited around for 3 hours and got outclaimed. Biggest waste of time ever. People didn't really do the KS99 fights back then, I think because they were much harder at level 75.

Nowadays you can pull off the turtle KS99 fight with what, 1 damage dealer, a healer, and a couple of black mages. The behemoth fight can be trio'd with ease. Dunno much about the wyrm one. Point is they're all pretty easy and could be pulled off with less than a full party, though you can bring an entire alliance in to the fight. Like others have said, the hardest part seems to be getting the seals. I've got, I think, 500 Kindred seals right now, plus about 1500 of the other types of seals. I guess I could get a Black Belt if I really put my mind to it, but somehow I just can't muster up the enthusiasm to do it. It's just a game after all.

People get all bent out of shape over the difficulty of obtaining certain pieces of gear, as though the idea of just going without never occurred to them.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Maybe they banned his "main?"

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He said he was leaving for the star wars MMO, maybe he's just super-trolling.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

MNK was my first job, and probably my best geared and greatest love, but I never bothered with Black Belt because i was lazy. Back in the old days, you'd needed a HNM LS or a friends list or some gil or just to whore yourself out @ ksnm circles and pray they got extra but EFFORT was to much for me, . I camped Adamantoise with a linkshell ONCE cuz im lazy. We waited around for 3 hours and got outclaimed and then cry'd. Biggest waste of time ever. People didn't really do the KS99 fights back then, I think because they were much harder at level 75.Or i could have just searched the zones every few hours and gotten my black belt for dirt cheap without an HNM ls.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

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You do realize this is a video game, right? And laziness doesn't enter into the equation, because it's not my job.

Anyway, I think I have a new entry to my ignore list.

I agree with you Zarchery. I think so long as you're useful in a party then does your gear matter THAT much - I think player skill comes into it and of course having a gear set that's beneficial. Focusing on getting the perfect gear-set is a massive time sink that not everybody is willing to make. It's not laziness, it's about not wasting hours of time you could be doing more constructive things like tidying up the house, doing the washing, going to the pub, playing another game, going to the cinema, doing sports, eating pie, stealing old ladies' handbags and so on.

Nothing wrong with being more full time than other players too and getting the more leet gear, if it's what you wanna do with your time and how you want to play the game. Some are actually quite content in the moderate gear killing the same NM's as guys in the best gear. I don't believe in any of this elitism crap. I can't say I've ever failed to do my part in a group because my gear wasn't Teh Bestest.

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Originally Posted by Hordecora

make it easier for the new monks to get black belt

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I have attempted to come up with a thought out, reasonable response for you.

"You're an idiot."

On that note, I've always thought they should make "gimp" WoE versions of the shield and harp.

I could see a WoEchain that doesn't block as often or for as much, but you can't really make half a song slot with a WoE harp, so it might need to be something else entirely like a generous duration boost.



As for the BB items, well, the fights aren't hard, but sadly, the fight is more against the random number generation with a low rate from the BC, poor King pop item rate from NQs, and then the Kings not being 100% anymore. Even if it was a quest like "Kill 2000 mobs of the Adamantoise family" and the like, I think some would welcome the alternative. Or the items be absurdly low drops from Hadyosh, Lacovie, and... er, Smok, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

He said he was leaving for the star wars MMO, maybe he's just super-trolling.

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He said they wouldn't let him play

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Originally Posted by Seriha

for the BB items, well, the fights aren't hard, but sadly, the fight is more against the random number generation with a low rate from the BC, poor King pop item rate from NQs, and then the Kings not being 100% anymore. Even if it was a quest like "Kill 2000 mobs of the Adamantoise family" and the like, I think some would welcome the alternative. Or the items be absurdly low drops from Hadyosh, Lacovie, and... er, Smok, I guess.

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Yeah, that's a thought I've had before too. Let the BB items be random drops off the Abyssea counterparts to the old HNMs. I don't see what would be so terrible about that.

I own a Black Belt which I got during the rule of the ground kings. Maybe I'm the only BB owner who thinks this way, but it isn't going to bother me in the least to see it made more readily available. Why would it? Mine still works just fine. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Yeah, that's a thought I've had before too. Let the BB items be random drops off the Abyssea counterparts to the old HNMs. I don't see what would be so terrible about that.

I own a Black Belt which I got during the rule of the ground kings. Maybe I'm the only BB owner who thinks this way, but it isn't going to bother me in the least to see it made more readily available. Why would it? Mine still works just fine. /shrug

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I have one on one character from before king change and one from after. The new king method is lame. That said, best way to do it if you can't sapam the NMs yourself is to go farm gil, and buy then buy the items from a group who is after the kings for the gear. Turtle is only shitty one, because there aren't many people after anything but the egg from him.

If you shout for the items, you will generally find them in a matter of minutes.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

I agree with you Zarchery. I think so long as you're useful in a party then does your gear matter THAT much - I think player skill comes into it and of course having a gear set that's beneficial. Focusing on getting the perfect gear-set is a massive time sink that not everybody is willing to make. It's not laziness, it's about not wasting hours of time you could be doing more constructive things like tidying up the house, doing the washing, going to the pub, playing another game, going to the cinema, doing sports, eating pie, stealing old ladies' handbags and so on.

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Well I do have decent gear for MNK, but it's nothing I would make so much effort that it impedes my enjoyment of the game and life. Currently have complete Tantra +2 set, Brown Belt, Rajas Ring, Spiral Ring, Afflictors, Atheling Mantle, Calcitrant Stole, Moonshade Earring with Accuracy +3 and Counter+2, and either Brutal Earring or Aesir Ear Pendant (I can't make up my mind). I do okay, I have fun, and if there are people out there who want to make fun of me so be it. I don't play to impress people, I do it to have fun. One day I'll quit this game and my gear won't matter any more.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Well I do have decent gear for MNK, but it's nothing I would make so much effort that it impedes my enjoyment of the game and life. Currently have complete Tantra +2 set, Brown Belt, Rajas Ring, Spiral Ring, Afflictors, Atheling Mantle, Calcitrant Stole, Moonshade Earring with Accuracy +3 and Counter+2, and either Brutal Earring or Aesir Ear Pendant (I can't make up my mind). I do okay, I have fun, and if there are people out there who want to make fun of me so be it. I don't play to impress people, I do it to have fun. One day I'll quit this game and my gear won't matter any more.

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*throws hands up* im done.. this... this is why i dont log into carby anymore you monks make me sad...

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Originally Posted by Gokku

*throws hands up* im done.. this... this is why i dont log into carby anymore you monks make me sad...

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And you are...?

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Well I do have decent gear for MNK, but it's nothing I would make so much effort that it impedes my enjoyment of the game and life. Currently have complete Tantra +2 set, Brown Belt, Rajas Ring, Spiral Ring, Afflictors, Atheling Mantle, Calcitrant Stole, Moonshade Earring with Accuracy +3 and Counter+2, and either Brutal Earring or Aesir Ear Pendant (I can't make up my mind). I do okay, I have fun, and if there are people out there who want to make fun of me so be it. I don't play to impress people, I do it to have fun. One day I'll quit this game and my gear won't matter any more.

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Well, good! If it works and you have fun (what's the point otherwise?), sod what trolls and elitists think and to be honest, I don't think there's anything wrong with your set-up, I'm sure people could list better harder-to-get equipment, but it really doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

He said they wouldn't let him play

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I must've missed that post. Guess it explains why he's back.

Pup is stronger than monk anyways.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

*throws hands up* im done.. this... this is why i dont log into carby anymore you monks make me sad...

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He's not wearing pink, cut him a break...

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Originally Posted by Gokku

*throws hands up* im done.. this... this is why i dont log into carby anymore you monks make me sad...

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Get the whambulance here, stat.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I have one on one character from before king change and one from after. The new king method is lame. That said, best way to do it if you can't sapam the NMs yourself is to go farm gil, and buy then buy the items from a group who is after the kings for the gear. Turtle is only shitty one, because there aren't many people after anything but the egg from him.

If you shout for the items, you will generally find them in a matter of minutes.

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This is what I'm saying, I'm currently 1/3 bb items, and out 1.5mil, no biggie. Do a little abyssea, convert your cruor to vw cells, or chocobo blinkers if you have inventory space and time. It's not really that hard, it just requires a little patience and ingenuity. Or farm dynamis and sell drops. FYI, I'm under one million in gil right now and under 100k in cruor, so I'm not rich but I buy stuff alot, so I know it's easy to get gil and I'm not loaded or sitting on 60million plus in dynamis currency.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Well I do have decent gear for MNK, but it's nothing I would make so much effort that it impedes my enjoyment of the game and life. Currently have complete Tantra +2 set, Brown Belt, Rajas Ring, Spiral Ring, Afflictors, Atheling Mantle, Calcitrant Stole, Moonshade Earring with Accuracy +3 and Counter+2, and either Brutal Earring or Aesir Ear Pendant (I can't make up my mind). I do okay, I have fun, and if there are people out there who want to make fun of me so be it. I don't play to impress people, I do it to have fun. One day I'll quit this game and my gear won't matter any more.

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The bolded...

Lose those things. They're terrible and should never be considered a viable h2h for MNK. If you want something better that takes no effort then get this..

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...rine_Cesti.jpg

Also you should never, ever, consider taking off Brutal Earring for something else. Not trying to make fun of you since that's Gokku's job but yeah. Some slight adjustments would help you a lot.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

*throws hands up* im done.. this... this is why i dont log into carby anymore you monks make me sad...

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OMG NOOO the entire world will explode if you don't log in once every 108 minutes!!

Good bye, we won't miss you, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.