Who ever got six-person parties in the first place?

First of all, the topic title is both a hyperbole and a rhetorical question. Look those terms up before you post a stupid reply directly to the topic title so you don't look like a moron.

So I've seen a few loudmouths moaning about how they can't get a six-person party anymore.

But who ever got six-person parties in the first place? Don't you remember your LS members saying "Damn, I been seeking for a hour and no invite." "Lol I been seekin for 3." "I got invited to a party irl today, and it's been two weeks since I got an invite in this...."

All the camps were always full, the "Find Member" function always found 0 PLDs, NINs, WHMs, RDMs, and SCHs seeking, and BST, BLU, SMN, PUP, DNC, DRK, and even one of the most important endgame jobs, BLM, were more or less banned by players from participating in Colibri parties. You needed a specific setup to be a "good" party. Anyone who had those jobs was level 75 in no time, even with the old, slow EXP. I saw maybe 3 CORs ever seeking a party, and BRDs were rare too. The six-man party required a few specific jobs, and those jobs would be snatched up within 10 seconds of seeking. The parties often took over an hour to put together.

What the **** was this ****? Why do you want it back? You can still make these parties, and the EXP is better than it ever was for this type of party, but the fact is, they were just a pain in the ass. With 18 slots for Abyssea parties, any job can play. With Grounds of Valor allowing easy prey targets to give good EXP, the same situation there: all jobs are helpful. And these groups are easy to put together.

Maybe for some people FFXI is all there is to real life, but for me it's a game. The fact that FFXI is now less of a chore + job + 24/7 homework assignment + alternate life is pretty fun I think.

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To whom it may concern, I did make my own parties. I didn't wait around hoping for an invite on Summoner. The examples in my post are from my own experiences while creating parties on Midgardsormr.

I always made my parties. I never had an issue in making a party in a timely manner.

More people should have taken the initiative and invited people instead of complaining about no invites.

I frequently made parties but nothing can stop LFPs like this:

WAR
WAR
WAR
BLM
DRG
THF
SAM
MNK
BRD: (seacom: LFP Colibri only, 4 SAM only, fisherman X)

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

I frequently made parties but nothing can stop LFPs like this:

WAR
WAR
WAR
BLM
DRG
THF
SAM
MNK
BRD: (seacom: LFP Colibri only, 4 SAM only, fisherman X)

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You forgot the princess Ahauberk warriors or princess SAMs or princess Apoc DRKs who often put "2 BRD or BRD+COR only" in their seacom. And let's not forget the game of 20 questions you had to go through once in awhile when someone was trying to avoid joining a "bad" PT. Those days were so great I miss them a lot. Not.

If there's anything good that came out of Abyssea that everyone can agree with it's fixing the experience of getting experience points in groups. The whole thing was over done and it's just stupid now at how much exp we can net per hour but at least no job is left behind anymore. It never would have happened with the old 6 man style with 20 jobs to choose from and a seemingly impossible task of balancing them all.

I guess the downfall of the new system is it's pretty much a zerg fest and no one really bothers playing their jobs anymore. Shrug. No time really to bother with trivial buffs and debuffs and basic PT mechanics. That does more to create dummies than leeching ever could, imho. But I stick to my guns, FFXI is not a hard game to master for anyone with even the slightest interest in playing correctly and takes the time to learn by whatever means. FFXI is not quantum physics.

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Originally Posted by Vold

You forgot the princess Ahauberk warriors or princess SAMs or princess Apoc DRKs who often put "2 BRD or BRD+COR only" in their seacom.

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God forbid someone who doesn't suck, wants a party that doesn't suck. I must be a princess too then!

Seriously, nothing was worse than showing up to a party that was 5 DD and a WHM. Though people to this day still don't seem to understand that a couple properly buffed DD do more damage than many more buffless ones.

Edit: Yes, this applies to abbysea too. So many people don't haste, don't use songs (or if they do, they're never march), no COR rolls etc. It's always a handful of healers and 12-15 DD jobs. I guess by todays standard though, shitty exp is better than what used to be the best exp.

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Originally Posted by Edyth

one of the most important endgame jobs, BLM, were more or less banned by players from participating in Colibri parties.

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@#$%ing lol'd. Have you ever fought a colibri before? Nothing says NUKE ME! like the ability to reflect spells with high MDB. Sounds like excellent use of a party slot.

I got them all the time, but my bard and cor were both 75 and decently geared, and I actually enjoyed playing them (cor more bard). it was good xp, eventually I made friends barding it up with people that would come dd, then extend me the courtesy of coming as bard to our party next time and letting me come thf to merit parties, my thf was well geared and I could hold my own pretty well, FFXI was always about the people you met back then you know, "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" type thing if you met the right people.

Now as for seeking for a six man party as DD back then, I never did, even though I can hold my own pretty well it was not easy to get a party as dd, but that is any MMO on the market and its the price you pay for wanting to see big numbers, I had no shame in whoring out bard, loved cor though, support and dd all rolled into one, when I walk through ToAU areas and see all those birds walking around unmolested it makes me cringe.

eh....I didn't really stress much over getting into parties in the past. I would hang out for a bit sometimes....put flag up while crafting, listing crud on the AH and such, or sitting around spamming magic for skillups and what not. If I didn't get an invite, I'd just head out on my own and smack stuff with my flag up. Yep...even on BLM and WHM, I would melee on them some too just to keep my skills somewhat in check. Would even whip out a dagger sometimes on SMN with Carbuncle tanking for me if there was a chance to skill it up a little ahead of time for another job.

While it was a preferred setup for the increassed xp rate/hr, a 6-man party was never a requirement before , and isn't now (well, maybe for specific fights, but not for xp)...so....what is the point of the thread?

it WOULD suck leveling a job cold, but after i got a few parties, i'd notice a lot of my parties had familiar names in them. not friends or even ls members, just people i had partied with a few nights before that probably CHOSE me over the random horde. to the point where my WAR and PLD were almost entirely leveled in these types of informal statics. it DID help having that first 75 already though, never had to stop leveling for more than a day to quest any useful AF, or do level caps at all.

granted, i don't think i'll ever do 6k/hour ever again... i mean, why have a hot dog when there's steak? but it wasn't really a hellish experience or anything. put a little ketchup on there.. hot dog ain't bad so long as it's a good crowd at the BBQ?

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First of all, the topic title is both a hyperbole and a rhetorical question. Look those terms up before you post a stupid reply directly to the topic title so you don't look like a moron.

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If you feel like such a disclaimer is necessary, than perhaps your post could be rewritten such that it isn't.

Moving on, I know what you're talking about, and I don't understand why people seem to miss this kind of grouping. I remember the waiting for hours on end to get a terrible party more than I remember ever enjoying it. Whenever I gained a level, I was more interested in searching for the new things I might be able to do with my new-found power than looking for the next grinding party to depart from Jeuno.

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God forbid someone who doesn't suck, wants a party that doesn't suck. I must be a princess too then!

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The problem is, different people have different ideas of what constitutes suckage. Especially if you were one of the previously mentioned jobs, your standards were generally higher. However, it was possible to build parties with different jobs that didn't suck- it was more the player than the job. People simply decided to pick whatever was easiest and least likely to suck, because even a bad bard is probably still going to be useful to the party while a bad DD or mage might be more likely to ruin things. The fact is, there WERE "princess" bards out there who refused to party with anything other than a bunch of SAMs and/or WARs and a RDM. No matter how good the people in your party were, if it wasn't a supermegaSAM burn, it was very hard to get a BRD or RDM because they DEMANDED absolutely nothing but the absolute best. I knew several BRDs that were like this. BRD is not a difficult job to play- They could join any party and get EXP while hardly paying attention to the game (ok, a true good BRD was also a good puller, but that didn't stop "princess" BRDs from ever being lazy).

I leveled PUP from 1-75 in these old EXP parties, does this make me an expert super leet master sagegod of FFXI?

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

I leveled PUP from 1-75 in these old EXP parties, does this make me an expert super leet master sagegod of FFXI?

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Yes.

@thread,

There are arbitrary levels of "princessness" based on how much value was assigned to any one person's time and gil. Yes, exp did cost gil for anyone who was worth half a shit at it. For my Corsair, it often cost a whole lot of gil to exp. So why would I waste both my time and my money on some 5k/hour gimpfest that wasn't fun and wasn't doing anything for me?

If I'm going to piss away bullets and food to do my best, I expect the best from the others around me. If you can't be assed to gear yourself, eat food, skill Polearm, or come on a job that isn't absolute ass on a relative scale, then I can't be assed to waste my time with you.

Yeah. Pups in merit parties can get the hell out and never come back. I've never seen one parse worth half a shit. Masturbate all you want over sharpshot frame's piercing damage, that doesn't make your job any good in exp. And yes, I did care about the difference between 15-20k/hr and 25-30k/hr. I'm spending the same amount of money and doing the same amount of work either way. Why would I settle for less output?

GGs mindset is why I am glad that 'old super leet amazing awesome skillRus' parties are dead. There was no skill beyond being geared properly which was a little more than reading the right guides on a fansite and having the proper backline to assist in making sure the party worked.

It's not that I dislike or disagree with your points moreso that how this game was setup was concerned less with fun and more about getting only the best jobs in an EXP party or you'd be better off logged out. Efficiency and all that jazz. Sure, I played popular jobs but why should I have been penalized for trying out PUP? or BLU? or any other class that wasn't 'in' at the time? Many people were penalized and such is why people quit this game or princessed RDMs/BRDs/NINs they fucking sucked at anyway.

EXP wasn't fun if you weren't EXPing afterall. Campaign was a gathering point for retards and involved the worst elements of slogging to get a level possible.

Abyssea changed that. It gave you the ability to party on anything and take some time to enjoy being on the class and fighting enemies rather than worrying about squeezing out the 'awesome leet super fantabulous exp/hr' because frankly the worst Abyssean parties made birds look like shit.

For some it was a pride hit but I can safely say: Fuck birds, fuck Mamool Ja and fuck waiting 4hrs for a god damn PT invite that broke before the first chain 5.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

GGs mindset is why I am glad that 'old super leet amazing awesome skillRus' parties are dead. There was no skill beyond being geared properly which was a little more than reading the right guides on a fansite and having the proper backline to assist in making sure the party worked.

It's not that I dislike or disagree with your points moreso that how this game was setup was concerned less with fun and more about getting only the best jobs in an EXP party or you'd be better off logged out. Efficiency and all that jazz. Sure, I played popular jobs but why should I have been penalized for trying out PUP? or BLU? or any other class that wasn't 'in' at the time? Many people were penalized and such is why people quit this game or princessed RDMs/BRDs/NINs they fucking sucked at anyway.

EXP wasn't fun if you weren't EXPing afterall. Campaign was a gathering point for retards and involved the worst elements of slogging to get a level possible.

Abyssea changed that. It gave you the ability to party on anything and take some time to enjoy being on the class and fighting enemies rather than worrying about squeezing out the 'awesome leet super fantabulous exp/hr' because frankly the worst Abyssean parties made birds look like shit.

For some it was a pride hit but I can safely say: Fuck birds, fuck Mamool Ja and fuck waiting 4hrs for a god damn PT invite that broke before the first chain 5.

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Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with this analysis - and the latter half of my post wasn't directed at you in particular. EXP was never fun pre-Abyssea, and it was extremely exclusive. I certainly had unpopular classes too. But when it's not going to be fun either way, and I'm throwing away hundreds of thousands or millions of gil and countless hours of time to grind out 500 bajillion merits, I'm going to want to try to reduce that insufferable grind as much as possible.

That's really what it comes down to. Capping merits wasn't a quick process. Sure, it was so simple a caveman could do it, but it required hours upon hours of slogging through the same pink birds and snakemen over and over again. I'm so god damn sick of pink birds. If being a dick to a bunch of Pups or Blus means I can get the hell away from those insufferable pink birds faster, I will make them all break down and cry.

The same goes for any War, Sam, Brd, or Rdm that sucked too, really. People call it princessing, I call it wanting to get the hell away from those godforsaken pink birds as quickly as possible.

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Originally Posted by Edyth

First of all, the topic title is both a hyperbole and a rhetorical question. Look those terms up before you post a stupid reply directly to the topic title so you don't look like a moron.

So I've seen a few loudmouths moaning about how they can't get a six-person party anymore.

But who ever got six-person parties in the first place? Don't you remember your LS members saying "Damn, I been seeking for a hour and no invite." "Lol I been seekin for 3." "I got invited to a party irl today, and it's been two weeks since I got an invite in this...."

All the camps were always full, the "Find Member" function always found 0 PLDs, NINs, WHMs, RDMs, and SCHs seeking, and BST, BLU, SMN, PUP, DNC, DRK, and even one of the most important endgame jobs, BLM, were more or less banned by players from participating in Colibri parties. You needed a specific setup to be a "good" party. Anyone who had those jobs was level 75 in no time, even with the old, slow EXP. I saw maybe 3 CORs ever seeking a party, and BRDs were rare too. The six-man party required a few specific jobs, and those jobs would be snatched up within 10 seconds of seeking. The parties often took over an hour to put together.

What the **** was this ****? Why do you want it back? You can still make these parties, and the EXP is better than it ever was for this type of party, but the fact is, they were just a pain in the ass. With 18 slots for Abyssea parties, any job can play. With Grounds of Valor allowing easy prey targets to give good EXP, the same situation there: all jobs are helpful. And these groups are easy to put together.

Maybe for some people FFXI is all there is to real life, but for me it's a game. The fact that FFXI is now less of a chore + job + 24/7 homework assignment + alternate life is pretty fun I think.

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It realy wasnt that hard to make a party. I bet ya all that time of waiting you didn't once realy try to make a party. If the ppl where looking and i got my tank and my healer the DD where easy to find and had the party ready in 3 mins some days. You just have to look and try.

People should realy put more trust in there party leaders as well and try new things. Back in 2006 I was making a party and the set up didn't include a pld nin or war as a tank and i was on smn i belive. Some of the ppl in party laughed at me saying it wasnt going work but we tryed and it worked and it did very well the exp was realy nice. Try new things if they work then your have a great time if not then oh well try something differnt. If you look for party for hours you have nobody to blame but yourself for being lazy

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More people should have taken the initiative and invited people instead of complaining about no invites.

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The fact remains most people never did this (then complain how it's impossible to get a party in FFXI), they will wait around for hours before logging in disgust first. When you did bite the bullet and make a party you have to literally do everything, find a good camp (if it's not perfect in the level range people complain, "this xp sucks!"), perfect party setup for little downtime, organise transport/tell people how to get to the camps, find reps in time or others start to leave before they arrive. This is old XP FFXI ofc, now with Abyssea everything is so user friendly almost anyone will shout and make an XP alliance.

Not even going into the massive job descrimiation for XP, literally anything can XP in an aby alliance now..no shame in asking to join as almost anything. Old FFXI was not so friendly.

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Originally Posted by Ritsuka

It realy wasnt that hard to make a party. I bet ya all that time of waiting you didn't once realy try to make a party. If the ppl where looking and i got my tank and my healer the DD where easy to find and had the party ready in 3 mins some days. You just have to look and try.

People should realy put more trust in there party leaders as well and try new things. Back in 2006 I was making a party and the set up didn't include a pld nin or war as a tank and i was on smn i belive. Some of the ppl in party laughed at me saying it wasnt going work but we tryed and it worked and it did very well the exp was realy nice. Try new things if they work then your have a great time if not then oh well try something differnt. If you look for party for hours you have nobody to blame but yourself for being lazy

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Except if you were one of the black listed jobs, you wouldn't be able to get a BRD, COR, WHM, or RDM to join your party. That's the whole waiting hours part your conveniently forgetting, DD's are a dime a dozen but support characters, especially BRD's were rare. The level lock ability fixed much of that, as your 75 BRD friend could come and be your level 60 party's BRD. But unless you knew someone who was willing to do that, you were stuck what what was available on /seacom, and if you had any "unmentionables" in your party the princess BRD's would refuse to come. That is how they earned the nickname princess after all.

My server was full of brds that flagged up and went to sleep/work lol

through any of the headaches, this is still the only MMO I ever reached level cap on, I'd rather fight for a party than solo grind fetch and kill count quests

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Originally Posted by Finuve

through any of the headaches, this is still the only MMO I ever reached level cap on, I'd rather fight for a party than solo grind fetch and kill count quests

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Depending at what point in the game it was you were just forced to solo grind. That what old 6man parties did. There was no fighting for a party it was you were not invited at all depending on your job as GG pointed out.

Blms during the SC+MB time were sought after just as hard as brds were during the TP burns but once the game moved to tp burns blms were force out to solo levels or mana burn for less exp then the tp burns.

Just as GG hates pink birds I hate little annoying Imps. I was good at soloing the little bastards but it was really annoying long and after the first hundred or so chain 5s solo the wow wears all.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Depending at what point in the game it was you were just forced to solo grind. That what old 6man parties did. There was no fighting for a party it was you were not invited at all depending on your job as GG pointed out.

Blms during the SC+MB time were sought after just as hard as brds were during the TP burns but once the game moved to tp burns blms were force out to solo levels or mana burn for less exp then the tp burns.

Just as GG hates pink birds I hate little annoying Imps. I was good at soloing the little bastards but it was really annoying long and after the first hundred or so chain 5s solo the wow wears all.

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I hit 75 DRK before ToAU came out

Nostalgia always wears rose-colored glasses.

I keep reading people posting about colibri parties, and campaign and such. I'm not sure if they remember FFXI had been around for a long time before that.

Looking for a party could be a *hellish* experience. Unless you were a whm (until that time when rdms started replacing whms) or a brd...or a Rng (pre nerf), or a blm (pre-zergs). Let me introduce you to my friends, the DRKs. Stories of woe and pain are told about Dark Knights haunting the streets of Jeuno, not being able to make their living as adventurers.

Typical party forming dialogue in the day: "hey, i got a friend that wants to come, he's a drk" response: "ew, nope" .

As a whm turned smn back in the day, I *had* to build my own parties, and could totally see the difference between playing a wanted job vs an "unpopular" one. But even then, making parties wasn't a walk in the park and many times, there simply wasn't a way to do it. Did I manage, yes I did. Eventually I reached my goals, but I will *always* remember how hellish it was to get anything done.

I guess if you have all the time in the world to play, it doesn't really matter because, eventually, you *would've* gotten into a party (unless, again, you were a DRK). But someone that works, studies, or both, that wants to lay back and enjoy a friendly grind with 5 other folk, and only had 1 or 2 hours a night to play; or maybe they could only play 2 times a week or less. Yeah, i bet it was hellish for those people.

Back in the day, I did have all the time in the world, so I was lucky because there was always a time I could join or make my group. But the difficulty in partying back then was a very real thing.

Right now, I have a really hectic schedule, and the only reason i *could* come back was because Abyssea and the new system allows me to enjoy the game at my pace, and it does not occupy 155% of my time. I also think, because I play the game since release, I can appreciate these changes and the wonders of being able to do what we are able to do nowadays.

I loved the old final fantasy xi (headaches included..never could stop thinking about the game) and I love the new final fantasy xi. Consider me a happy panda.

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Originally Posted by Inches

As a whm turned smn back in the day, I *had* to build my own parties, and could totally see the difference between playing a wanted job vs an "unpopular" one. But even then, making parties wasn't a walk in the park and many times, there simply wasn't a way to do it. Did I manage, yes I did. Eventually I reached my goals, but I will *always* remember how hellish it was to get anything done.

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Yeah, White Mage has had its ups and downs as a job...

Currently, sure, you can find an experience points party very easily as a White Mage, but that's true of any healer - I haven't seen a Red Mage or Scholar get denied from an experience points party if there was an open healer spot.

On the other hand, even to this day, soloing anything that other classes can solo - and not just BST, but DD jobs and even magic nuking jobs, is a complete and utter pain most of the time. I might be able to pull some things off with White Mage that most other people couldn't, but I feel the limitations compared to the jobs SE is favoring for certain events.

Maybe it is stubborn to expect to be able to pull off what most others can do on other jobs if my gear keeps getting better, but it sucks to hit those occasional limitations when nobody is around to help and you know you could pull off whatever you need done if only you had job x leveled. I suppose I've leveled / been leveling other jobs but if it can be done with extreme blunt force trauma involving two one-handed weapons in a familiar 6-7 hit pattern of pain, I try to make it happen.

I thought the older pt'ing was a lot more fun than the 18 man abyssea pt, but I like the Abyssea exp much better. The only way I'd go back to the 6 man pt system is if it could match/exceed the exp of an Abyssea pt.

There is more to XI than leveling

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The same goes for any War, Sam, Brd, or Rdm that sucked too, really. People call it princessing, I call it wanting to get the hell away from those godforsaken pink birds as quickly as possible.

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I understand your sentiment, but those less awesome players may not have loved grinding merits any more than you did. One could ask "Why do you deserve to get done faster at these other people's expense?"

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I keep reading people posting about colibri parties, and campaign and such. I'm not sure if they remember FFXI had been around for a long time before that.

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Yes, it was, and it was the dark ages.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I understand your sentiment, but those less awesome players may not have loved grinding merits any more than you did. One could ask "Why do you deserve to get done faster at these other people's expense?"

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One may ask "what makes you feel you're so special that others will want to willingly lower their exp/hr to compensate for you"

For me, the question to that answer is if you are my friend, I don't mind what job you come on.

For random people, that answer is sorry, not happening

I think I usually only had to wait an hour on average on dragoon. Though I remember several times I got invites without my flag up. Merit parties gave 20k/hr on birds.

On summoner I had to turn down invites when they wanted me to be main healer with no assistance. I only tried it once and I couldn't keep up. Still not very bad though.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I understand your sentiment, but those less awesome players may not have loved grinding merits any more than you did. One could ask "Why do you deserve to get done faster at these other people's expense?"

Yes, it was, and it was the dark ages.

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What Cream said.

I could give a shit less about how anyone else gets their merits. I just know I was getting mine out of the way in 25k/hr or higher parties. If someone couldn't keep up in a merit party on any of their jobs, they can slog through campaign.

I was a Princess BRD unless someone was my friend. You want minuets? I'm sorry my e-peen is the exp/hr, not how much your Penta's can spike.

I found that the less xp/hour I got, the more fun I actually had (sometime). When people are talking, it made the time go much faster. I was in no rush to get to the cap, so I didn't really care how long it took. The parties that were "kill, kill, kill" left me feeling wiped and not wanting to xp for a few days afterward. I guess it was all about what you wanted from the game. Somebody who wants the best gear is going to have a different definition of what is fun than the guy who is interested is exploring the zones to see what is out there.

And I never had a problem getting invites to parties. Sure, there were days when I didn't party, but I didn't stand around WG just waiting. I'd find some ep to kill (before the upped xp for them), go do map quests, or just explore corners of the zones to see what was there.

I did a 5-man party at level 95, RNG MNK WHM BRD THF, fighting IT tigers in Kuftal Tunnel, a few weeks ago. We were farming Rarab Tail items and Seasoning Stones. Somehow, even though the mobs were IT, we killed them in a fraction of the time it took to kill IT mobs in the old days.

I'm really confused by the title. Who ever got into six-person parties...? We never partied with anything but six people.

But after reading the OP I must agree -- that exp sucked. It would have been better to low man kill some even matches. And today's exp is much better than it ever was.

To all thoses people that love the new abyssea exp party, i would suggest you something,
You should ask to Square-Enix to guive the right to players to get able in moghouse to put the number of Experience points they want then valide with "Enter" key and you get the Exp!!!! :D

By the way, we should ask the same thing for Gils, you put the number of gils you want with your keyboard, you valide it then you check your delivery box and you get your gils! :D

And maybe we should do the same thing for Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapon to directly get the lv 99 Weapon of your choices!
/troll off

Today exp much better than it ever was??!

Seriously? ok so explain me where is the fun on exp pt nowadays?
For myself what i see is:

-25% of the Alliance is lv 30+ /anon leech exp
-25% of the Alliance is lv 50+ thats try to deal damage but deal nothing
-25% of the Alliance is AFK, Half AFK~
-25% of the Alliance do their job.

Player nowadays are so lazy they want to get all stuff without any work.

On level 75 it was easy to find an experience party or to build one, exept for AFK/Lazy/Underskilled player, so yeah the only good thing with abyssea is now even Lazy/AFK and underskilled players can leech exp, when they was kicked on 6 man party after 10min afk

Wrong, I remember as a THF, BLU and BLM I rarely ever got an invite. THF could go a week without one unless someone was really bad for a puller because while it was piercing damage and could do fine. It wasn't RNG, SAM or DRG.

BLM, was hated because of colibri's magic bounce ability, so I had to solo that and bring it up via manaburns in Vunkerl and Xarcabard, this including in the Wajoam Bird Parties! Only Bhaflau etc. birds bounced magic (those that kept their mouths open would still you that they would bounce magic, I think). And as a BLU, that's where I got most of my decent invites from.

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Wrong, I remember as a THF, BLU and BLM I rarely ever got an invite. THF could go a week without one unless someone was really bad for a puller because while it was piercing damage and could do fine. It wasn't RNG, SAM or DRG.

BLM, was hated because of colibri's magic bounce ability, so I had to solo that and bring it up via manaburns in Vunkerl and Xarcabard, this including in the Wajoam Bird Parties! Only Bhaflau etc. birds bounced magic (those that kept their mouths open would still you that they would bounce magic, I think). And as a BLU, that's where I got most of my decent invites from.

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THF was able to deal Sneak Attack 2k Dmg on greater colibri and they're was a lot efficient, a good BLU was able to equal or even out damage plenty of good DD jobs too, about BLM i Agree Square-Enix maded a bad job with Greater Colibri camp, but a BLM was still able to go chain pudding, but i agree this was not good enouth, and greater colibri was already the begening of causual gaming introduction from Square Enix, because most of the players start QQing when some challenge incoming.

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Originally Posted by Flionheart

I was a Princess BRD unless someone was my friend. You want minuets? I'm sorry my e-peen is the exp/hr, not how much your Penta's can spike.

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If it's a x2 BRD party, it's minuet I II III & IV or gtfo!

(Don't worry Flion, people to this day still don't understand the value of haste)

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Originally Posted by Hercule

Today exp much better than it ever was??!

Seriously? ok so explain me where is the fun on exp pt nowadays?
For myself what i see is:

-25% of the Alliance is lv 30+ /anon leech exp
-25% of the Alliance is lv 50+ thats try to deal damage but deal nothing
-25% of the Alliance is AFK, Half AFK~
-25% of the Alliance do their job.

Player nowadays are so lazy they want to get all stuff without any work.

On level 75 it was easy to find an experience party or to build one, exept for AFK/Lazy/Underskilled player, so yeah the only good thing with abyssea is now even Lazy/AFK and underskilled players can leech exp, when they was kicked on 6 man party after 10min afk

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Because 72 hour parties that started in Cape Terrigan and ended in Valley of Sorrows (in which you would get one and a half levels, if you were lucky) killing the *same* monster over...and over....and over, was so much fun. We only stuck to it because of the promise that we'd find power in the future. Saving grace was being with a nice group of people that created conversation, because everything else, even when everybody knew their jobs inside and out, was mindless repetition. So in that sense, it's still repetition. Killing the same mob, doing the same thing, only with a shorter time period. Nevermind being able to follow a storyline, since missions were so far in between. I guess I can understand people's frustrations with finding a level 30 leeching in Abyssea. I, myself, have never joined an Abyssea party until I was 75, and really wouldn't even imagine doing it. But I honestly have no qualms with doing GoV till 75, and then joining and Abyssea party.

Perhaps you only enjoyed the endless hours of grind. Hey, I love grinding myself. I guess that's why I love jrpgs in general. But I appreciate being able to invest that time now in other things. And I also appreciate being able to jump into an xp party almost immediately, most of the time. And the fact that I'm taking an unpopular job doesn't make a difference, I'll still get invited. The more I think about it, the more I see that the pros outweigh the cons.

Im gona acept have a Full party at lv 55 outside of White Gate, was epic. Was fun have 5 players playing with me.

I enjoyed the oportunity of have epic travles, moving my camp ever 2 - 5 levels this gave lots of live to vanadiel, exploring and having fun in diferent camps.

Was fun yes im acepting that.

But the lack of Tanks, Mages and Support jobs avaliable for make this parties was terrible. 95% of time you founded only DDS seeking, the formation system was a total Shit, dramas, have convince Racist Jp people for acept play, have convince the PLD and Healer for stay 1 hour more.

I prefer skip all that drama and problems and go to play when i want, no matter which job im Using.

If SE gave us in the past 4 - 5 tank jobs, 6 - 7 jobs could mantain a main heal and refresh, and 3 - 4 jobs could support probably this system could be more aceptable.

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Originally Posted by Hercule

To all thoses people that love the new abyssea exp party, i would suggest you something,
You should ask to Square-Enix to guive the right to players to get able in moghouse to put the number of Experience points they want then valide with "Enter" key and you get the Exp!!!! :D

By the way, we should ask the same thing for Gils, you put the number of gils you want with your keyboard, you valide it then you check your delivery box and you get your gils! :D

And maybe we should do the same thing for Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapon to directly get the lv 99 Weapon of your choices!
/troll off

Today exp much better than it ever was??!

Seriously? ok so explain me where is the fun on exp pt nowadays?
For myself what i see is:

-25% of the Alliance is lv 30+ /anon leech exp
-25% of the Alliance is lv 50+ thats try to deal damage but deal nothing
-25% of the Alliance is AFK, Half AFK~
-25% of the Alliance do their job.

Player nowadays are so lazy they want to get all stuff without any work.

On level 75 it was easy to find an experience party or to build one, exept for AFK/Lazy/Underskilled player, so yeah the only good thing with abyssea is now even Lazy/AFK and underskilled players can leech exp, when they was kicked on 6 man party after 10min afk

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you are a DRK

plz quit

you are doin it wrong

DRK powa!
My 2nd main/favorite job is SCH, even if i dont play it a lot since abyssea updates :p

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Originally Posted by Hercule

THF was able to deal Sneak Attack 2k Dmg on greater colibri and they're was a lot efficient, a good BLU was able to equal or even out damage plenty of good DD jobs too, about BLM i Agree Square-Enix maded a bad job with Greater Colibri camp, but a BLM was still able to go chain pudding, but i agree this was not good enouth, and greater colibri was already the begening of causual gaming introduction from Square Enix, because most of the players start QQing when some challenge incoming.

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We have different definitions of "good DD jobs"