Thank you for Stardiver!

Stardiver is DRG's most powerful weapon skill now outside of Abyssea when geared properly, it has higher attack and more consistent damage than Drakesbane on most things and the additional effect of boosting everyone's critical hit rate by 5% is an added bonus. Messing around in Dynamis, it was doing consistent f 2.2-2.9k which is really good for outside of Abyssea for a non-empyrean WS and was keeping up and sometimes exceeding Victory Smite numbers. Thanks for the addition of this great WS!


It's also not so bad in Abyssea either.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4678/34174830.png

Would you mind listing some of your equipment?

Corseca+3
Rose Strap
Thew Bomblet
Twilight Helm
Shadow Gorget
Brutal Earring
Aesir Ear Pendant
Lancer's Plackart +2
Lancer Finger Gauntlets+2
Pyrosoul Ring
Rajas Ring
Atheling Mantle
Soil Belt
Lancer's Cuissots+2
Hecatomb Leggings+1(Augmented with STR+3 Polearm Skill+3)


For that screenshot I used VV/Atma of alpha&omega/Apoc for the sweet Triple Attack(was dicking around, stick with Drakesbane inside abyssea for those 6-7kDrakesbanes)

Thank you very much.

thanks for the info :) i assume you are 5/5 on merits with it?

This has been a question bugging me for awhile, but does OAT proc on a weaponskill or is that mythic only? How much of a difference if so?

finally a Thank you to SE nice to read !

Reiterating for importance: Stardiver has a +20% attack bonus associated with it WHEN COMPARED TO DRAKESBANE. Drakesbane has a negative attack modifier of -20% so it performs poorly outside of Abyssea on high level mobs, Stardiver does not have this penalty so it's attack is higher and more consistant. To make this WS viable you will >NEED< Elemental Gorget/Belt. These 2 items together will boost the fTP of the WS from 0.75 for all 4 hits to 0.95 for all 4 hits. Older weapon skills normally had the first hit of the WS with a differing fTP and subsequent hits had 1.0 always. This is NOT the case for Stardiver as all 4 hits have a crappy fTP of 0.75. Wearing either Soil/Shadow/Light Gorget and Soil/Shadow/Light belt together will boost it to 0.95 and make it significantly more damaging.

Regarding OAT Lance(Corsesca)

OAT does not proc on WS. But it doesn't need to. For all you DRGs out there wondering about OAT lance(Corsesca with Occasionally Attacks Twice)

-It has pretty decent base damage, the level 99 version is ~110 base damage.
-It has 507 delay, making it extremely easy to get enough store TP to gain 100% TP in 5 hits(20% TP per swing).
-The OAT rate is 45% meaning almost every other attack will be a double attack(does not stack with Double Attack gear like Jailor Weapons or Mythic Weapons, but +Double Attack% gear will inflate your overall number of OAT's per attack round, somewhere equivalent to DA/2. So at 45% OAT rate from Corsesca and +10% Double Attack from gear, you're looking at roughly a 50% overall OAT rate.
-The OAT stacks with all Jumps. This means almost every other Jump will be a double attack for high damage and more importantly, double the TP.(Assuming 20% TP per hit with a 5-hit and /SAM, you're looking at 80% TP from a single Spirit Jump and 120% TP from a single Soul Jump!!)
-The lower base damage compared to mythic/relic/empyrean isn't too relevent with Stardiver since at 5/5 Stardiver, 1 point of STR increases Base DMG by 0.83. (It's a 100% STR mod and the ratio of STR to Base DMG for the WS is 1:1 but corrected with alpha) meaning at high STR, base damage on weapon is nigh irrelevant,making Corsesca seemingly less differential than Gungnir/Rhongomiant.
-Since OAT can proc on Jumps, your Jumps will have higher accuracy when it procs because the OAT will give your Jump a 'zanshin'-like effect in that if the first hit of the OAT jump misses, the second one might still hit so your Jump Accuracy will be inflated by the OAT level.

To give you an example of how awesome Corsesca can be this is not uncommon:

Engage NM with 200% TP
Sekkanoki(Your TP:200%)
Stardiver(Your TP:123%)
Stardiver(Your TP:23%)
Soul Jump(Your TP:143%TP [120% from the Jump and 23% left from the last Stardiver])
Stardiver(Your TP:23%)
Spirit Jump(Your TP:103%)
Stardiver(Your TP:23%)

That's 4 Stardivers or 4 Drakesbanes in less than 10 seconds, assuming OAT procs on both Jumps. Although our WS damage was never higher than WAR/MNK/SAM, we definitely out-do them in weapon skill FREQUENCY with this weapon so although Drakesbane/Stardivers only do 1.5-2.5k roughly on NMs we can do them pretty damned often to close the gap between our frequent 1.5-2.5k ws and WAR/MNK/SAMs 3-5k less-frequent WS.


I've been on 3 servers in the past year and honestly, checking every DRG I come across(dozens, if not hundreds) I've only seen maybe 3 or 4 other DRG's besides myself with Corsesca. This weapon is GAME CHANGING for DRG, it's not simply an upgrade, it completely boosts our WS damage output by 60% or higher at the price of maybe 10-12% weaker weapon skills(if at that!). Also getting 700-800 damage Spirit Jumps/Soul Jumps almost every other time adds up nicely! The only thing annoying about the trial is Blobdingnag but at 9 he's probably killable by Kannagi NIN(tank and main DD) WHM, THF(for TH to ensure 2 items drop) and crowd control(Cleave-WAR or BLM-aga)

As long as you don't zerg it you will win. He summons 6 babies every 15-20% HP so if he summons babies and you Blade:Hi or Ukkos Fury he will summon 6 more and you will be overwhelmed cuz they're immune to sleep/bind/gravity/petrify, and they hit hard/fast and have En-enfeebles on their melee hits. A good tip i can offer is do shouts to see if anyone owns an Orange Abyssite. Many players who upgrade empyreans require Lamprey Lord or Shoggoth kills for their early stages and those NMs upgrade Colorful Abyssites to Orange Abyssite (Blobdingnag pop). I found many MNKs had Orange Abyssites from their Vere trials so I paid them 100-200k to pop their Blobdingag while my friends and I killed it.

Pro Tips:
-Try to macro as much Store TP and Double/Triple/Quadruple Attack gear into your Jumps as possible.

I've really enjoyed Stardiver so far. I did several Kaggens the other night with a "work in progress" set up for the weapon and was able to average 1500~ damage very consistently, which for Kaggen isnt mind blowing... but good enough to warrant that DD spot, and I'm sure once I sort out tweaks in my gear it will be even better. And inside Abyssea (lolAbyssea) on exp mobs I was easily able to average 3-4k~ with peaks of 6k+ using VV, RR and Apoc.

Current set up

Thew Bomblet
Twilight Helm
Soil Gorget
Brutal Earring
Kemas Earring
Ares's Cuirass
Alkyoneus's Brc.
Flame Ring
Rajas Ring
Atheling Mantle
Soil Belt
Lncr. Cuissots +2
Perle Solerets


For those who don't know, Stardiver copies its ftp over all hits, instead of the usual first hit of the WS. Meaning Ele Belt / Gorget actually benefits every hit of the WS, not just the first, so you NEED these items for it! Also it's not confirmed yet, but it seems since every hit is treated as the first hit of a WS that the first hit Acc bonus is also applied to every hit.

To echo what is said above, the OAT polearm on paper is GREAT for this WS due to its absurdly high STR mod. As far as I know basically 100% of your STR is added to your base damage. Which turns a 110dmg versus 130dmg~ (roughtly 15% difference in base damage) in TP phase into a 280dmg vs 300 dmg (less than 7% difference in base damage) assuming you're WSing in around 170 STR~. Meaning on WS Stardiver see's no significant drop at all with OAT lance.

Would a Stringray with +TP bonus or 10% WS dmg be worth it? If so which one is better outside abys.

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Stardiver is DRG's most powerful weapon skill now outside of Abyssea when geared properly, it has higher attack and more consistent damage than Drakesbane on most things and the additional effect of boosting everyone's critical hit rate by 5% is an added bonus. Messing around in Dynamis, it was doing consistent f 2.2-2.9k which is really good for outside of Abyssea for a non-empyrean WS and was keeping up and sometimes exceeding Victory Smite numbers. Thanks for the addition of this great WS!


It's also not so bad in Abyssea either.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4678/34174830.png

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Late seeing this thread, but wanted to say thanks for the info Ophannus. I was hoping that Stardiver would get the same type boost from ele gorget/belts that my Blade: Shun gets.

Stardiver ftp mods are.....

0.75 at 100%
0.84375 at 200%
0.9375 at 300%

So the TP bonus stingray is giving roughly 0.09 extra ftp, but it is going to be applied to every hit meaning it will increase your total ftp by 0.375, which could be pretty nice. But I dont recall the base damage of the final 99 versions of these weapons, arent they quite a bit lower than the norm?

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Late seeing this thread, but wanted to say thanks for the info Ophannus. I was hoping that Stardiver would get the same type boost from ele gorget/belts that my Blade: Shun gets.

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It does! Ele belt / gorget is applied to all hits.

This WS is the reason im Lving DRG Now. I dont have acess Drakesbane and that was the thing always stop me of lv up DRG.

Now for sure im gona lv up this wonderfull job!. I have already Full AF3+1 ready and some coins For AF3 +2 the body and head. Im gona keep reading and learning about DRG.

im gona learn why a lot of careers DRGS are going for the WS DMG +10% and ignoring the str/attack Polearm, or the Tp bonus polearm, etc i have lots study about this job

TP bonus polearm is definitely weaker overall; the TP scaling rate isn't high enough to be worthwhile. The two strongest options appear to be the str/attack polearm (6-hit) and the Store TP polearm (5-hit). WSDmg polearm appears to lie between the TP bonus polearm and the str/Store TP polearms.

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TP bonus polearm is definitely weaker overall; the TP scaling rate isn't high enough to be worthwhile. The two strongest options appear to be the str/attack polearm (6-hit) and the Store TP polearm (5-hit). WSDmg polearm appears to lie between the TP bonus polearm and the str/Store TP polearms.

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Am working on Polearm and cant make up my mind on which to do, i keep hearing different thing about TP bonus and WSdmg.

Those both suck. Get OAT lance, now.

I actually checked that, but wasn't sure about the gear set combo. Can't seem to remove any notable Store TP from the set (since it has higher delay than the others), and just going with that config ends up being basically right on par with the str and Store TP polearms.

Also, WSDmg one gets a notable boost in Abyssea (which I didn't look at before).

Outside Abyssea: OAT: 120, Store TP: 120, Str: 122, WSDmg: 117, TPBonus: 113
In Abyssea (Apoc/VV/Stout Arm): OAT: 283, Store TP: 284, Str: 277, WSDmg: 294, TPBonus: 286

Change atma to Apoc/VV/RR (with the assumption that you'll also want to use Drakes, but giving Stardiver DPS):
OAT: 271, Store TP: 273, Str: 284, WSDmg: 280, TPBonus: 271

OAT is hands down 100000x better than storetp and str polearms and seconds only to Ryunohige.

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OAT is hands down 100000x better than storetp and str polearms and seconds only to Ryunohige.

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On the assumption that this is a legitimate (if exaggerated) assertion ~~

Just to be sure, did a full revamp of jump gear, since I didn't touch it before. It changed the standings a bit.
Comparing just OAT vs Str polearms, for simplicity.

Outside (Stardiver): OAT: 122, Str: 127
Abyssea (Apoc/VV/SA, Star): OAT: 286, Str: 297
Abyssea (Apoc/VV/RR, Drakes): OAT: 317, Str: 332


Per-hit damage on jumps is about 23% higher with Str polearm (22% in Abyssea), but OAT closes the gap due to OAT procs and ends up doing 3% more total jump damage (4% less in Abyssea due to Apoc triple attack diminishing the value of OAT).

This would seem to indicate the str polearm is a pretty clear winner over OAT, by about 4%. If you think these results don't reflect reality, please review the spreadsheet and tell me where it is flawed and what could be done better.

Just wanted to say again how glad i am to have read this thread.

After grinding today on DRG, i got well into 99 and took Stardiver to lvl 3 so far. And even with it being only midway through to capping it, this WS is making me very happy with what is doing.

So thanks again guy, i've found this thread very helpful and informative.

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This would seem to indicate the str polearm is a pretty clear winner over OAT, by about 4%. If you think these results don't reflect reality, please review the spreadsheet and tell me where it is flawed and what could be done better.

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How is STR polearm beating OAT with a 5 hit? OAT with 5hit lets you WS almost 40-60% more often than a STR polearm.

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How is STR polearm beating OAT with a 5 hit? OAT with 5hit lets you WS almost 40-60% more often than a STR polearm.

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(comparing outside Abyssea)

Tweaked for OAT: Switched from Bullwhip to Goading (did same for str polearm for parity), switch from Pole Grip to Rose, for general 5-hit build, just to be sure (it boosted the OAT build slightly).

Excluding the 0.5 over-TP rounds:

OAT nominal average rounds to 100 TP: 3.01
OAT average rounds to 100 TP with 32% Conserve TP: 2.98

Str nominal average rounds to 100 TP: 4.54
Str average rounds to 100 TP with 32% Conserve TP: 4.34

32% Conserve TP is from trait + elemental belt.

As you can see, Conserve TP has almost no effect on the OAT build (since you'd need a full 20 TP proc to reduce the hits any), but a fairly noticeable one on the Str polearm build. Str polearm is a 6-hit, but on the high end of the range (17-18 TP per hit), so many of the CTP procs drop it to a 5-hit build.

Without accounting for Conserve TP, the Str polearm drops a couple points of DPS.

OAT has a higher delay, which somewhat offsets it's lower rounds per weaponskill. Overall weaponskill cycle time is 1095 delay for OAT, compared to 1400 for str polearm. So OAT weaponskills 28% more often than Str polearm.

Average weaponskill damage for OAT is 1202; for Str polearm it's 1436. So Str polearm weaponskill damage is 20% higher than OAT.

Jump damage is mildly in favor of OAT, being about 2.5% ahead of str polearm.

Melee (white) damage per cycle is nearly identical on a per-round basis (Str polearm 1% ahead), however Str polearm has 46% more melee rounds per weaponskill cycle, and overall 47% more melee damage per weaponskill cycle.


Overall net effect is 2268 dmg per 1095 delay for OAT (124 DPS) vs 2841 dmg per 1400 delay for Str polearm (122 DPS). The gear tweak above (Goading+Rose for proper 5-hit on OAT, loss of 2% haste for Str) gave a slight edge to OAT this time around. Putting the Bullwhip back on the Str polearm build puts them back at nearly identical to each other.

Note that if you can reduce the average number of over-TP rounds, it favors the OAT build more than the Str build, and the OAT starts to pull slightly ahead. With 0 wasted TP rounds, OAT is at 132 to Str polearm's 130. However the converse is also true: the more over-TP rounds you average, the more the OAT falls behind the Str polearm.

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Putting the Bullwhip back on the Str polearm build puts them back at nearly identical to each other.

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That's silly because I have 26% haste and a 5hit on my OAT build.

So basically I should throw out my Corsesca and disregard by 5hit build and start getting Flame Geodes? ;_;

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That's silly because I have 26% haste and a 5hit on my OAT build.

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If you use Zelus Tiara instead of Lancer +2 head in conjunction with Goading Belt, that's another slight improvement for the OAT build. Doing the same thing for str polearm makes it worse, though.

And no, you don't have to throw out the Corsesca and start on the str polearm, which should be obvious if you were paying attention. The assertion I'm making is that their damage potentials are very nearly identical, rather than the false claim that the OAT was far superior to the str and store tp weapons.

Go go extra elemental breaths from increased ws rate?

Meh, the WS is still kinda meh on VWNMs. Was doing 300-1300 Drakesbanes and 300-1200 Stardivers on Akvan last night with Red Curry, WAR was easily doing 2-5k Ukko's Furies, Blade Hi was doing 1200-2400, VS was doing 2200-3500, Shoha was doing 700-2k. Could have also been that I didn't have Stalwarts(Never got the KI for that Pariapht) but I was using Red Curry Bun with Augmented Angon with +2 hands.

I have no clue how you're hitting that low with Stardiver. Granted I've not done Akvan yet, but on both Pil and Kaggen my WS's were never lower than 700~ and usually averaging 1400-1600~ I dont recall Akvan having anymore defense than the other two Jeuno boss's. Though I do abuse Stalwarts, and 5 minutes of quite a serious attack buff is noticable.

I'm more irritated by the fact war/sam's can also use it. In fact today I was actually a little enraged in a pick up group for VW when a warrior said he was going to use stardiver for me and said I should drakesbane. Little did he know drakesbane isn't even worth it anymore with its stupid 20% attack penalty. I know we get to TP way more than war's but it still pisses me off since we don't even get a WS unique to our job that's worth using.

Protip: it's impossible to have a better drakesbane unless you have razed ruins atma. if stardiver doesn't do more damage chances are you're doing it totally wrong.

Just did a few Pil's, heres the parse of my Stardivers from the first fight.

771: 1
778: 1
790: 1
890: 1
982: 1
1010: 1
1026: 1
1028: 1
1035: 1
1065: 1
^ 1080: 1
1121: 1
1154: 1
1173: 1
1185: 1
1238: 1
+ 1268: 2
1326: 1
1355: 1
1394: 1
1468: 1
1494: 1
1495: 1
1585: 1
1751: 1
1780: 1
2054: 1

Same gear used as the page before. Stalwarts + Yellow curry buns. Also Im still using Vougiers, so it's far from the best set up. Stalwarts is +20% attack for 5 minutes (went from 740ish to 922 attack with it up)

Out of 4 fights -

- Stardiver 66052 0 66052 93.85 % 57/0 100.00 % 0/2192 1158.81

57 Stardivers. 1158 average, a few of them without buffs / thrown directly into his shield (see 0 low...), and a high of 2192.

For comparison the only other noteworthy DD in my party was a SAM who switched between Fudo and Shoha...

- Tachi: Shoha 32661 0 32661 100.00 % 27/1 96.43 % 361/2610 1209.67

1209 average, low of 361, high of 2610.

"OAT has a higher delay, which somewhat offsets it's lower rounds per weaponskill. Overall weaponskill cycle time is 1095 delay for OAT, compared to 1400 for str polearm. So OAT weaponskills 28% more often than Str polearm."

This is where your problem is. There is no way, not a chance, that OAT is only WSing 28% more often. Yes, the longer delay offset the hit build slightly, but couple the lower hit build with the 40% OAT it should at least be 35% more often if we account for TP overflow. Not to mention you get 40% more TP from jumps as well.

Also, if conserve tp is such an important factor and that 5 hit is seemingly not as big of an advantage, you should try putting this in your spread sheet:

Using sword strap for OAT polearm and do a 6 hit. That way, you can better use your conserve tp and should allow for a better comparison.

Like I said, there is literally no way OAT only WS 28% more.

PS: You also need to account for extra TP making OAT polearm WS harder (even if just slightly). All of those conserve tp proc that didn't help OAT cut a hit from the hit build should result in 15+ extra TP on its WS as well as any TP overflow from OAT proc with 1 more hit to WS. I am not doubting your spread sheet since I know you from BG, but there has to be something that was not set correctly cuz I have parsed against STR polearm before and the result wasn't close.

I love stardiver I unlocked it 5/5 and got my DRG lv 99 yesterday.

The sad thing is... i do more damage with my samurai -_- than my Drg using stardiver, this KINDA PISS ME A LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.

I have 8/8 Polearm Merits. But im Using SAM/WAR Vs DRG/SAM. I really fucking hate my Sam is beating my DRG on WS Damage because Overhelm... Another thing i hate is on Sam i can get 4 hit build "Easy". With increiblity high Zanshin rate on sam my WS rate is superior. My sam will out damage my DRG for a lot =/

Im gona start work this week on my STR Polearm. DRG is a wonderfull pretty job im gona use that for have Fun.

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"OAT has a higher delay, which somewhat offsets it's lower rounds per weaponskill. Overall weaponskill cycle time is 1095 delay for OAT, compared to 1400 for str polearm. So OAT weaponskills 28% more often than Str polearm."

This is where your problem is. There is no way, not a chance, that OAT is only WSing 28% more often. Yes, the longer delay offset the hit build slightly, but couple the lower hit build with the 40% OAT it should at least be 35% more often if we account for TP overflow. Not to mention you get 40% more TP from jumps as well.

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Note that I account for weaponskill delay in figuring the overall time per weaponskill cycle. The more frequently you weaponskill (both from OAT and haste), the more that the fixed delay from using the weaponskill itself slows you down.

Example:

Taking out all jumps, so that we're looking solely at melee+weaponskill time, look at the melee time necessary to reach 100 TP with 25% gear haste, Hasso and Haste spell:

Str: 1186
OAT: 902

OAT weaponskills 31.5% more often

With weaponskill delay added:

Str: 1306
OAT: 1022

OAT weaponskills 27.8% more often


Add marches and look again:

Str: 605
OAT: 461

OAT weaponskills 31.2% more often (appears to be roughly the same as the first comparison)

With weaponskill delay added:

Str: 725
OAT: 581

OAT weaponskills 24.8% more often (dropped an additional 3%)


You can also figure another ~7% loss due to less efficient usage of TP (see below), which puts you close to the 40% proc rate value before accounting for weaponskill delay. Additional losses (relative to the supposed theoretical gain) come from less effective DA/TA.

And yes, I'm accounting for the greater TP from jumps on the OAT. Str polearm averages 59 from Soul Jump, for example, while OAT averages 82.


Special Note: I will note, however, that I believe evidence has come up that my formulations for hits-per-round calculations when considering OAx effects may not be completely accurate. Once I've solidified those, I will see if there are any notable changes.

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Also, if conserve tp is such an important factor and that 5 hit is seemingly not as big of an advantage, you should try putting this in your spread sheet:

Using sword strap for OAT polearm and do a 6 hit. That way, you can better use your conserve tp and should allow for a better comparison.

Like I said, there is literally no way OAT only WS 28% more.

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I don't see any immediately obvious way to make the OAT a 6-hit and have it perform as well as it does with a 5-hit. Conserve TP is not a hugely important factor, but it does help close the gap slightly. It increases the str polearm total DPS by 2%, while increasing the OAT setup by 1.5%.

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PS: You also need to account for extra TP making OAT polearm WS harder (even if just slightly). All of those conserve tp proc that didn't help OAT cut a hit from the hit build should result in 15+ extra TP on its WS as well as any TP overflow from OAT proc with 1 more hit to WS. I am not doubting your spread sheet since I know you from BG, but there has to be something that was not set correctly cuz I have parsed against STR polearm before and the result wasn't close.

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Additional over-TP is accounted for. Doing a quick check using the same gear set and just changing the weapon, the str polearm averages 130 TP while the OAT averages 139 TP, using a 0.5 round over-TP scenario.

Conserve TP is calculated on a per-weaponskill-TP return value (eg: main hit plus two out of three additional hits plus a double attack or whatever), and on a per-Conserve TP proc value (calculated for a 1 TP return, a 2 TP return, a 3 TP return, etc, up to 20), and averaged out over all possible combinations, and number of hits and rounds needed to reach 100 TP for each combination.

That makes sense. I know WS saturation is a pain to deal with and a big problem for any multi hit weapons. However, plz double check with the OAT formula as you said.

This is my Method for calculate the max DPS of my jobs i hope is usefull for the people.

1.- First i calculate my damage in 1 hour using the two diferent sets i want compare.
2.- I Think a real scenario for use my two sets taking in consideration the following

a) The rivals im Facing
b) The buffs i'm will receive
c) The level of dificult and stress im gona have in a parse competition.

Correct me if im wrong.

In my maths the STR polearm leads for a short margin vs the OAT polearm. The diference is slighty.
I taked in consideration Meditate/Sekanoki/Jumps without Merit etc.

In 5 mins of active Fighting in Einherjar

STR polearm = 85 800 DPS Damage / Full Maths 86 023 - 5 Hit build
OAT polearm = 82 800 DPS Damage / Full maths 83 588 - 5 hit build

My margin of error is short. So you guys can take this as 70% optimal tests


If you play with Short Group max 6 people einherjar, dynamis etc. The STR Polearm is the optimal choice

a) You have time for hit the mobs more
b) You can solo some mobs and they will stay enough time alive
c) You will have less STress in the parse competition


if you play with big groups 12 + people the OAT is better

a) The enemies die Too quickly the stress is insane
b) Even if you are soloing mobs the people will notice and will go kill they too fast
C) You need quickly tp for have a chance vs anothers DDS

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I have 8/8 Polearm Merits. But im Using SAM/WAR Vs DRG/SAM.

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And you're surprised you're doing more damage with Stardiver on Sam/War? One word: Berserk.

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I don't see any immediately obvious way to make the OAT a 6-hit and have it perform as well as it does with a 5-hit.

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Most effective way to make OAT a 6hit is probably to use a Sword Strap (which brings it to 492 Delay) and gear as if it were a normal lance.

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STR polearm = 85 800 DPS Damage / Full Maths 86 023 - 5 Hit build
OAT polearm = 82 800 DPS Damage / Full maths 83 588 - 5 hit build

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What gear are you using to get a 5-hit build with a STR Polearm? 480 delay 5hits are not reasonable.

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And you're surprised you're doing more damage with Stardiver on Sam/War? Two words: Berserk. Overwhelm.

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ftfy lol....

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What gear are you using to get a 5-hit build with a STR Polearm? 480 delay 5hits are not reasonable.

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If the FFXI calculator dont lie for me this is the gear necesary for 5 hit build.

We need WS on this:

This set will return you 23.4 Tp after WS
This WS set is around + 100 STR pretty solid for Stardiver

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/243199

We need 19.15 tp on the TP set for 5 hit build.

This set give you 19.1 tp

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/243196

Im working on get this gear atm. Im kinda new with DRG. Probably players with more exp using the job can build better Sets!

The last words of year for stardiver. Fuck Sam, fuck overhelm and fuck berserk ^_^

FFXIAH is giving you the full Campaign-only +20 Store TP from Rose Strap. Some of us have known it does this for a while, but it shows you fell into trusting a calculator instead of doing it yourself.

You only have +32 STP on that set outside of Campaign, for 17.1 TP/hit. Same goes for your WS set, it's only +33 STP.

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FFXIAH is giving you the full Campaign-only +20 Store TP from Rose Strap. Some of us have known it does this for a while, but it shows you fell into trusting a calculator instead of doing it yourself.

You only have +32 STP on that set outside of Campaign, for 17.1 TP/hit. Same goes for your WS set, it's only +33 STP.

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Using the TP formula in Wiki.

11.5 + (480 - 450) x 1.5 / 30 = 13

13 * (1.48) 48 STP = 19.2 + (1.4 x 3 = 4.2) = 23.4 On WS gear

(100 - 23.4) / 4 = 19.15. Is needed on Tp gear, After the receive 23.4 TP for WS using 48 STP on 33 gear/ 15 Sam.

Use the FFXI calculator If you dont believeme. Check My WS set and TP set both have 48 STP taking on consideration /sam and giving only 4 STP to the grip.

You are in siren you can PM if you like for Discuss This ^_^. This will cost you Some gils k? j/k

I actualy hope this shit is readeable im super drunk atm

I usually dont torture the posters posting my LOLmaths but i think in this case is necesary lol