I'm considering making DNC one of the jobs that I want to invest a good amount of time and effort into, and I was looking at the merits available, but ... all of them actually seem useful. So which ones are worth investing into the most? Give me your opinions. Thanks! ^^
DNC Merits? What should I pick?
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12-17-2011, 08:09 PMEricDNC Merits? What should I pick?
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12-17-2011, 08:26 PMByrth
It will change with the next update, but at the moment I'd advocate:
5 Haste Samba, 5 Reverse Flourish (non-negotiable)
1 Saber Dance, 1 Fan Dance, 3 No Foot Rise, 5 Closed Position -
12-17-2011, 08:36 PMEric
What about step accuracy? Will landing steps be a problem at all ? Or will gear fix that? I feel pretty dumb asking these questions, but I'm not sure how the mechanics of DNC JA's work exactly.
Thanks for the quick response. -
12-18-2011, 04:57 AMEri
Seems acc helps Step acc I have +87 Acc +3 'enhances Step acc' in that build. Can miss but barely.
Overall i considder Step acc wasted potential on Merrits.
@ Byrth: I have that merrit setup lol. -
12-18-2011, 11:43 AMByrth
Your Steps are more accurate than your melee hits (and you can swap more accuracy gear in for them if you want), so Step Accuracy merits are a waste.
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08-17-2012, 02:28 PMVesna
I Personally would say 5 Closed Position, 3 No Foot Rise, and 2 Fan Dance. Saber Dance seems like a waste of merits IMO
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08-18-2012, 12:59 AMInfidi
DNC/war with saber dance full time is pretty nasty lol. I don't think saber dance is useless at all. I did 5/5 Closed Position , 1 saber dance, 1 fan dance, the rest in NFR. Think that's the pretty cookie cutter way though some peeps may line more defensive DNC. ^^
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08-18-2012, 01:22 AMByrth
I've been using 5 Saber, 1 Fan, 4 NFR for about the last 6 months.
AF2+2 augmented pants add 1% Double Attack per Saber Dance level and having 6STR/Acc, 4% Haste, and 5% DA on my pants is pretty nice. To each their own, but Saber Dance is one of the strongest DD JAs in the game. Not meritting it at all is a waste.
By the way, /WAR's Double Attack trait does not stack with Saber Dance. You'll get 25% DA with AF2+2 augmented pants and Saber Dance with or without /WAR. Because of this, I am not sure what our ideal DD sub is. Berserk is still pretty nice, but offers nothing in many of the situations I use Dancer in (low defense enemies). SAM is a nice alternative. Maybe consider giving it a shot! -
08-18-2012, 03:32 AMInfidiOnly problem is that saber dance degrades over time. I know with the shortened recast timers it's easier to keep up, but the times you might have to heal really quick by dropping saber dance or inbetween recast times on saber dance or if you're full timing fan dance ( for whatever reason lol) / war helps you keep the constant DA there. ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Byrth
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08-18-2012, 03:45 AMByrth
Yeah, it will depend what you're doing. Saber Dance decays from about a 50% DA rate to 25% with the AF2+2 pants, though, so it's always above /WAR's 10. The plots are included in the testing links here.
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08-18-2012, 04:22 AMDeathrose
I rarely use Fan Dance for anything and im really curious as to why yall arent using 5/5 NFR. With +2 aug body +25 tp off top is nice. 75+tp and full merit NFR= instant x2 ws and still leaves room for adjustment(stun if need be and such). I never saw much use out of Closed position. although im intrested in seeing if I can make +2 relic feet work if i add haste in somewhere else, but I saw issue in that the only place I could do that and cover the feet haste was thaumas coat which I would be losing 10% DW. Just curious whats yall logic behind this. imma test it out while yall respond.
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08-18-2012, 05:06 AMDeathrose
I just tried that shit out and it is a major hell naw in tping. It may work for embrava but as far as beating primary tp set up its a no lol.
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08-18-2012, 06:03 AMByrth
Weapon/Weapon/____/Potestas
AF3+2/Charis/Suppa/Brutal
AF3+2/Miodio/Epona's/Rajas
Atheling/Twilight/AF2+2/AF3+2
6%+4%+7%+4%+4% = 25% Haste
5%+3%+3%+2%+5%+20% = 38% DA
Epona's = 3% TA
30%+10%+3%+5% = 48% Dual Wield
I'm 4/5 NFR because WS + 20 TP + 77 (4 FM Reverse Flourish with AF3+2 hands) > 100 TP. -
08-18-2012, 06:54 AMEriI mean im not gonna lie. If im doing Events on Dnc which is rather often, ( Sometimes its hard to convince friends that i want to go pup sometime) I end up tanking a lot... the party setup won't contain more than 1 healer (or less...). As im not planning to put pressure on that Healer. My tanking set contains AF2+2 Hands (Meele Set Af2+2 Legs) so i went with a 3/3 Split on Fan and Saber since i need both frequently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infidi
Seems like theres no ultimate 'Right' way to put points in here. i depends on what you are doing mainly (so put the points in for your gear if you have the gear that is.) If your not Tanking a good bit.... Fandance is a waste of Haste Samba. -
08-18-2012, 07:52 AMDeathrose
Weapon/weapon ___ Hagneia Stone
Charis+2/charis/brutal/suppa
charis+2/ thaumus/epona/rajas
atheling/twilight/thaumas charis
30%+10+5+3=48% DW
6+3+7+6+4=26% haste
20+5+3+2+3= 33%DA(have +2 Legs but stats from thaumas legs are nice)
3%= 3% TA
I can see where 4/5 NFR could work but i just dont remember ever using fan dance much. I suppose its nice to gather yourself if things get rough drop it and re-samba but meh. What i like to do is WS NFR Reverse and usually i can step follow with presto ws and still sc. Im not sure if you can do that at 4/5 NFR. -
08-27-2012, 03:16 AMAsymptoticOr, you can just let the healer cure you, which is their job. If you're putting "pressure" on them, then they're probably just a poor healer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eri