*Trades currency to Lootblox* (Here's your Griffon Hide) WHAT?!

First off, yes I sent a support ticket for my item restoration. Secondly, I am aware this was of my own fault and I do not blame anybody but myself for the error.

So I'm trading Lootblox bronzepieces and get up to 10 M. Silverpieces. Okay. Wonder if they stack into anything... I don't know, it's late and I don't think about going to wiki or asking my friends. At the very least, there'll be a menu showing what you can buy with it, right?

"Here's your griffon hide," Lootblox says with pride as my week's hard work farming around my 50hr/week job plummets into the dusty hide of a fairy tale creature.

No confirmation "Do you want this really? Yes/No"? Why?

What if I had accidentally traded 99 M. Silverpieces to Lootblox instead of 100--lag or whatever? If I got 8 million gil turned into 7k in an instant without even asking me if it's what I wanted, what do you get for trading 99 million gil? Probably not something worth 99 million gil.

Please add a "Yes/No" dialog option to trading in currency, even if it means adding one for trading 100 singles into a 100, please. It's more of an inconvenience to lose a week's work than to push up and "Yes".

Also, the GM was very kind and said he'll try to get my currency back to me, so thank you to the GM. Support was quick and answered my questions without me having to ask them.

Cliffnotes:
* Don't let late-night curiosity win you over -- lose 8 million gil
* GM service excellent
* Lootblox is evil
* Trading needs a dialog box

Honestly, I think that's meant to be a trap. Goblins are shrewd business-men. Or maybe shrewd business-goblins.

I don't know why the development team would want such a trap there, but the alternative is that they made it that way thinking it would work to someone's benefit. Then, in spite of it not working to anyone's benefit even once in well over half a decade, have never changed it to so much as accommodate a warning message.

When I start to think about that, I can feel my brain turning into a coconut crab so that it might crack open my skull and explore the world, so I consider it a non-possibility.

This is one of those things where you go "What the fuck were they thinking?". I cannot comprehend who thought it was a good idea to make them give you random... rewards? No, that's not it. Garbage, is what it is. For an item which was, from the start, designed to accumulate tens and hundreds of thousands of. Just mind-boggling, trying to figure out what could have posessed them to do something like that. Especially if you consider that pretty much every other trading/talking interaction with NPCs features a shocking overdose of redundant dialog options asking "Are you sure?" "Are you absolutely positive?" and "Here, let me hit you in the face with a fucking star, are you sure now?".

The menu of what you can buy is when you just talk to the NPC, he tells you to give him the appropriate number of peces.

While I'm not sure what you were thinking when you traded them and thought "I wonder if they stack into anything" (Were you thinking that there are 1000 coin pieces or something?) I would have to agree that these NPCs do not follow the usual conventions for item exchange.

However, IMO, forget a confirmation box: the item trades should be just removed entirely as every single one of them is a massive rip off. All of the items given for currency can just be found inside dynamis as a monster drop with some patience.

I don't think a question saying "did you want to test if I'll give you anything good for all your 8 million gil?" would do anything but make you press yes and be disappointed. I believe more in the above that you shouldn't be able to trade stuff for random junk.

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This is one of those things where you go "What the fuck were they thinking?"

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I'm under the impression that it was first added as a alternative to seeking out a crafter to make it for you (As I recall, all the relic upgrade items need the "processed" version, like lancewood lumber whereas the monster drop the log). They probably greatly underestimated the amount of the crafters that were able to make them, but even then, considering how often the raw materials drop and that you can sell them on the damn AH you'd think they would've known better.

Whatever the justification for it was, yeah, there's really no reason for it to be offered anymore.

I recall someone posting on BG a while ago that they lost 27 100 pieces this way a while back, and the GM was unable to restore it since they had already used their one-time item restore before. There is really absolutely no reason why this goblin needs to have these shit-tier crafting item drops any more. Please just get rid of them, or bury them in a menu somewhere.

It also makes no sense whatsoever that you aren't being asked to either: a) confirm that you actually do want to trade your currency for whatever item, or b) a menu where you get to pick the item you want (lol). Especially when you think of all the other npc dialogues/menus in this game where you need to hit yes or no a billion times before you get what you want.

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Originally Posted by JiltedValkyrie

What if I had accidentally traded 99 M. Silverpieces to Lootblox instead of 100--lag or whatever? If I got 8 million gil turned into 7k in an instant without even asking me if it's what I wanted, what do you get for trading 99 million gil? Probably not something worth 99 million gil.

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The goblins will trade you the most expensive thing they can return. So if you traded 99 silverpieces and 1 bronze piece to Lootblox, you will get a 10k gil Mammoth Tusk for 28 silver pieces. It has happened before.

When Dynamis first came out those items were actually pretty hard to come by. Angel Skins used to sell for millions for example because they were only available as an extremely rare drop from a Devil Manta that could only be fished up at the shore in Cape Teriggan or a single pond in the depths of Kuftal Tunnel and had a 10 minute cooloff before it could be fished up again.

I fully agree these goblins should have a menu. I am currently finishing my relic and while people might call you a "noob" for making a mistake trading I believe it to be stupid to make simplistic yes/no chat windows for dumb items YET relic currency trades being WELL YOU ARE SCREWED. I wish it was changed because honestly there is no reason it shouldn't be by now. I am sure it would be a simple fix to any future issues.

The Goblins refuse to do Dynamis with all these BST around there so the want to get lots of Currencys for nothing!

Thanks for the feedback! We will look into adding confirmation steps such as a yes/no option to Lootblox and her Goblin friends so that you don't accidentally trade your Dynamis currency for items you do not want. While we cannot implement this right away, it is something that we will look into for future implementation.

I apologize for those of you who accidentally received these items when it wasn't your intention. :(

How about just removing those items we do not want since all of them can be found as dynamis drops easily, and therefore are not worth the price assigned to them at the NPC?

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Thanks for the feedback! We will look into adding confirmation steps such as a yes/no option to Lootblox and her Goblin friends so that you don't accidentally trade your Dynamis currency for items you do not want. While we cannot implement this right away, it is something that we will look into for future implementation.

I apologize for those of you who accidentally received these items when it wasn't your intention. :(

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I would accidentally trade my R.Stripeshell to you for a cookie anytime :)

(P.S. with a yes/no option of course)

Make sure she up converts wrongly and the devs dont make us return the currency!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

How about just removing those items we do not want since all of them can be found as dynamis drops easily, and therefore are not worth the price assigned to them at the NPC?

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Agree with this. Just remove the items... Nobody buys them, ever. In fact, since the inception of dynamis, I would wager, there hasn't been a single person who has ever bought a single one of these items. Just remove all of them this update and everyone will be happy.

Edit: "intentionally" bought I should say.

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Originally Posted by Helel

Agree with this. Just remove the items... Nobody buys them, ever. In fact, since the inception of dynamis, I would wager, there hasn't been a single person who has ever bought a single one of these items. Just remove all of them this update and everyone will be happy.

Edit: "intentionally" bought I should say.

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This. Nobody is going to use 100 pieces for any of those items, especially when they're very easy to come by.

Haven't been affected by this, but it's awesome the devs are looking in to it! Always nice to see them responding to issues like this.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

How about just removing those items we do not want since all of them can be found as dynamis drops easily, and therefore are not worth the price assigned to them at the NPC?

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If they do that, they need to remove all of the materials from other older things as well such as the tenshodo coffer.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

If they do that, they need to remove all of the materials from other older things as well such as the tenshodo coffer.

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Huh? how are these two things in any way related?

You don't buy things from the tenshodo coffer and thus you can't get duped by an NPC that gives you a bad deal.

The goblin NPCs are basically trying to sucker people into paying a fortune for something they could get for free. The Tenshodo coffer isn't doing that.

just wonder why i cant give the Goblin the "Crap Items" and get shiny currencys ?

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Originally Posted by Kriegsgott

just wonder why i cant give the Goblin the "Crap Items" and get shiny currencys ?

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Because goblins aren't nearly as stupid as us players.

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Originally Posted by Theytak

Because goblins aren't nearly as stupid as us players.

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Fine, then why can't we just kill them outright and take their 10k pieces without playing their silly game to begin with?

If any goblin NPC has ever deserved death, it's them.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

How about just removing those items we do not want since all of them can be found as dynamis drops easily, and therefore are not worth the price assigned to them at the NPC?

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They are the old school version of logs and ores.

Hmm.. have the goblins throw out their old moldy stock that noone wants, and have them put alexandrites, heavy plates and devious dice on the shelves :D

Yipes.. that would make dynamis hidiously popular... abyssea would be a wasteland... roving groups of PUPs would dominate Jeuno, 200 solo RDMs fight bitter feuds in Bastok over mob ownership while the mobs cower in fear for those lvl 99 melee RDMs.

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Originally Posted by JiltedValkyrie

First off, yes I sent a support ticket for my item restoration. Secondly, I am aware this was of my own fault and I do not blame anybody but myself for the error.

So I'm trading Lootblox bronzepieces and get up to 10 M. Silverpieces. Okay. Wonder if they stack into anything... I don't know, it's late and I don't think about going to wiki or asking my friends. At the very least, there'll be a menu showing what you can buy with it, right?

"Here's your griffon hide," Lootblox says with pride as my week's hard work farming around my 50hr/week job plummets into the dusty hide of a fairy tale creature.

No confirmation "Do you want this really? Yes/No"? Why?

What if I had accidentally traded 99 M. Silverpieces to Lootblox instead of 100--lag or whatever? If I got 8 million gil turned into 7k in an instant without even asking me if it's what I wanted, what do you get for trading 99 million gil? Probably not something worth 99 million gil.

Please add a "Yes/No" dialog option to trading in currency, even if it means adding one for trading 100 singles into a 100, please. It's more of an inconvenience to lose a week's work than to push up and "Yes".

Also, the GM was very kind and said he'll try to get my currency back to me, so thank you to the GM. Support was quick and answered my questions without me having to ask them.

Cliffnotes:
* Don't let late-night curiosity win you over -- lose 8 million gil
* GM service horrid*
*Lootblox is evil*
* Trading needs a dialog box

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Fixed it for ya

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Originally Posted by Kristal

Hmm.. have the goblins throw out their old moldy stock that noone wants, and have them put alexandrites, heavy plates and devious dice on the shelves :D

Yipes.. that would make dynamis hidiously popular... abyssea would be a wasteland... roving groups of PUPs would dominate Jeuno, 200 solo RDMs fight bitter feuds in Bastok over mob ownership while the mobs cower in fear for those lvl 99 melee RDMs.

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I can't tell if you are actually serious or sarcastic. I hope you mean that that shouldn't happen because of those lolrdm melees and pups who still wear pink would do so. And that if they did make it into easy mode it's not a good thing...

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Huh? how are these two things in any way related?

You don't buy things from the tenshodo coffer and thus you can't get duped by an NPC that gives you a bad deal.

The goblin NPCs are basically trying to sucker people into paying a fortune for something they could get for free. The Tenshodo coffer isn't doing that.

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You're adding too much self flavor to it to justify your own spin. In game is still in game and a waste of time and money to just get a pointless crafting item drop is the same thing regardless of where it is coming from. The point is, the problem is broader then just some goblin. These items should not have been added to any of these rewards in the first place. One is just as important as the other. We need no more pointless crafting items and meds.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

You're adding too much self flavor to it to justify your own spin. In game is still in game and a waste of time and money to just get a pointless crafting item drop is the same thing regardless of where it is coming from. The point is, the problem is broader then just some goblin. These items should not have been added to any of these rewards in the first place. One is just as important as the other. We need no more pointless crafting items and meds.

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There's a massive difference between a completely random reward from a chest and getting an item of no value for trading dynamis currency to a npc - without any confirmation dialogue/menu.

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Originally Posted by Xellith

They are the old school version of logs and ores.

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I don't mean removing the items themselves from the game, I mean removing them from these NPCs. If you actually need these items, you can go find them in dynamis- it's not like Dynamis actually costs anything anymore in the first place. There is no need for an NPC to sell these things for any price.

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You're adding too much self flavor to it to justify your own spin.

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Flavor? spin? I'm not spinning anything. "Spin" is a term used to describe twisting something to mean what you want it to mean. I'm not doing that- Unless you mean to suggest that there's actually something good about these items being sold by the NPCs for millions of gil when they can be obtained easily for free in dynamis. You were attempting to tie two things together that are not related in any way.

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These items should not have been added to any of these rewards in the first place.

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I don't know what you're talking about. There's nothing wrong with the random rewards from the tenshodo coffer. You're not paying millions of gil for those, in fact, you're not paying anything at all except whatever time you spent doing the quest. IMO, there deserves to be some risk of not getting what you wanted. This is something that's totally subjective though- There's nothing subjective about the dynamis goblin situation- it's just plain terrible no matter how you look at it. Adjusting this does not automatically mean that this that and the other thing that has unwanted items in it needs to be changed.

TL: DR? Tamoa couldn't have said it any better.

i just wanted to come back and say thank you to the GM who assisted me. i was able to receive my 8 M. Silverpieces since I still had the Griffon Hide from Lootblox. I am glad that this happened to me and was able to share my experience with the community and developers. Adding the dialog menu will help tremendously against my mistake from happening to anybody else in a future update. That alone is worth my error even if I had never been able to retrieve my lost items.