Since no one seems to have posted yet: Final LB fight

The final limit break does consist of a battle. Apparently a party battle, not solo (image in my mind of the release of the Fellow NPC and the line forming to do the fight for it haunts my mind, so this is a good thing).

Since I and many others just used the test moogle to raise our jobs to 99, we couldn't do the quest, but some people thought ahead (thank you) and did the quest.

There is a video, and I take no credit for it. Just posting it here since people seemed to want to know about it in advance really badly last time and because none of the people that collect the most detailed information about stuff (e.g. by reading the dats) ever posts their info here.

edit: video code was disabled in the forum naintenance. THANK YOU SE!

Edit: Can only 3 people enter?

Is it really a Taru?

Can I be more disappointed?

A friend told me it was a 6 man max; I can't verify this for myself, again, because I can't do the quest due to using the GM moogle.

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Is it really a Taru?

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Yes

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Can I be more disappointed?

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Thanks for asking for permission. Yes, you may. :)

Edit: apparently changing the topic in the original post doesn't change the topic title in the thread list.

Bleh! I wanted a Maat style fight. Not a party one.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Bleh! I wanted a Maat style fight. Not a party one.

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If I had to guess I would say it will be maat style if you try to solo it.

If you watch that video, you will see there is no soloing this fight lol

Difficulty could be adjusted depending on how many there is. Also it says 6 man entry in the video. 15 minutes to win. I'm guessing the difficulty on test server is for test purposes. Just remember it's the test server. Test server data doesn't mean it's a sure thing.

OH GAWD GRANDIA II MUSIC GOT ME FROM THE START. AOFISFDJGFKDLHMDTJ

Best game ever.

Carry on

I don't want it a party style either...what of the poor people who will try to beat the 96+ genkai later when it's no longer the hip thing to do? A lot of people don't like going back and helping others...

Maybe if they made the Grandia 2 battle theme the BGM for the fight, more people would go back to help just to hear its gloriosity (obviously made up word)

Seems like Invincible or Sentinel would really help during Hundred Fists.

Other than that, Looked like the fight wasn't too bad, with a Real healer like WHM, or something, Shouldn't be hard to accomplish.

Looks good. Looks very good.

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Originally Posted by Vold

Difficulty could be adjusted depending on how many there is. Also it says 6 man entry in the video. 15 minutes to win. I'm guessing the difficulty on test server is for test purposes. Just remember it's the test server. Test server data doesn't mean it's a sure thing.

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Also, something being on the actual server means people will be more likely to use full equipment swaps and food and whatnot. There are tons of reasons that it is very hard to gauge how difficult something will be based on reports from the test server.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

OH GAWD GRANDIA II MUSIC GOT ME FROM THE START. AOFISFDJGFKDLHMDTJ

Best game ever.

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I loved Grandia but I haven't played any of the sequels. Particularly, I liked most elements of the battle system and that the protagonists actually acted like kids rather than cardboard cut-outs who were just there to hold up swords and progress a plot. I'm also looking for some single-player RPGs to play while stuck recovering from a surgery.

Based on these things, should I look into Grandia II?

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

I loved Grandia but I haven't played any of the sequels. Particularly, I liked most elements of the battle system and that the protagonists actually acted like kids rather than cardboard cut-outs who were just there to hold up swords and progress a plot. I'm also looking for some single-player RPGs to play while stuck recovering from a surgery.

Based on these things, should I look into Grandia II?

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You should look into it regardless, but yes if the battle system they used in 2, 3, and X were based off the same system they used in 1, you'd like it. I liked the protagonists, and the story was awesome. The fact that I played it originally when I was like 10 made the game seem harder than it really was, but it's still a great game (just not super hard if you're a JRPG vet and know how to tweak stats/skills/magickz). There's a PC version of it you could snag for cheap/free (iykwim), even though it was originally released on the dreamcast and ported to the PS2. It was really popular.

Grandia 3 was pretty similar, and I enjoyed it as well. The story wasn't as memorable (though still good), but the battle system was just so damn nice. Grandia Xtreme, however, is kinda the opposite - uses the same battle system, but the story is utter shit compared to the others, and the game is ridiculously difficult/grind-heavy. You have been warned, lol.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Seems like Invincible or Sentinel would really help during Hundred Fists.

Other than that, Looked like the fight wasn't too bad, with a Real healer like WHM, or something, Shouldn't be hard to accomplish.

Looks good. Looks very good.

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He used Sentinel and got murdered during it.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

He used Sentinel and got murdered during it.

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Then Invincible Solves that issue.

He can be stunned as well, According to reports on BG.. Sudden Lunge from BLU, Or what have you. Also, Their only healer was the RDM (Real healer), With a WHM, I'm sure he'd of lived. Cure IV and Cure VI are worlds apart unfortunately :(

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Then Invincible Solves that issue.

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Hence, why Paladin is "required" for this fight.

From the video it seems the rdm wasnt curing much at all... prolly trying to let the paladin keep ago with with heals...

Anyways, I still stand by, good luck soloing that ;-p

I would love to solo that on RDM just to screw with people.

But I probably won't. Fights on the test server are always harder than on the real one if only because you don't have access to your friends and you're (potentially) using gear that's unfamiliar to you. He really doesn't look that bad. A solid duo/trio or a random pickup 6-man with a decent setup shouldn't have much trouble.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Hence, why Paladin is "required" for this fight.

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"Required" might be going too far. Did we test if Shadowbind stuck? If Shadowbind Sticks, Very well could be EVA Tanks.

That, and Perfect Dodge combats Hundred fists as well as Invincible.

We can keep going back and forth but i'll have an excuse for everything. Really was just agreeing with you from the beginning anyway, Expanding on the idea Invincible seems to be the key during HF, and with a WHM it would be pretty handle-able.

inb4 port jeuno shouts selling spots in Genkai fight parties.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

"Required" might be going too far. Did we test if Shadowbind stuck? If Shadowbind Sticks, Very well could be EVA Tanks.

That, and Perfect Dodge combats Hundred fists as well as Invincible.

We can keep going back and forth but i'll have an excuse for everything. Really was just agreeing with you from the beginning anyway, Expanding on the idea Invincible seems to be the key during HF, and with a WHM it would be pretty handle-able.

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well that's why I put "Required" in quotation marks. I'm sure someone will find another way to do it- but it seems at first glance like the safest route.

That Rdm was kinda terrible tbh, I didn't see a single merit spell and all the Tier 1's landed, so looks like he's pretty easily enfeeble'd.

Then again I doubt anyone has the patience to redo macros just for the test server.

I just realized that the references to Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magika just keep going and going in the limit break quests, such as the Tarutaru mentioning fulfillment of a contract as the fight starts. Just how popular was that show in Japan, anyway? I figured it was more of a sleeper hit or cult thing, since the show didn't have many panty-shots and there wasn't anyone to refer to as "oni-chan!"

Or am I way off and it's just a parody of some genre or theme in general?

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

You should look into it regardless, but yes if the battle system they used in 2, 3, and X were based off the same system they used in 1, you'd like it. I liked the protagonists, and the story was awesome. The fact that I played it originally when I was like 10 made the game seem harder than it really was, but it's still a great game (just not super hard if you're a JRPG vet and know how to tweak stats/skills/magickz). There's a PC version of it you could snag for cheap/free (iykwim), even though it was originally released on the dreamcast and ported to the PS2. It was really popular.

Grandia 3 was pretty similar, and I enjoyed it as well. The story wasn't as memorable (though still good), but the battle system was just so damn nice. Grandia Xtreme, however, is kinda the opposite - uses the same battle system, but the story is utter shit compared to the others, and the game is ridiculously difficult/grind-heavy. You have been warned, lol.

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This post has been extremely helpful. Thanks a ton!

I didn't even consider that a PC version would exist, to the point I overlooked the mention of a PC version while reading the wikipedia article. While I suspect it'll have a minor bug or two like most PC ports of console games from that time, it will probably have fewer bugs than what I originally had planned (iykwim).

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Then again I doubt anyone has the patience to redo macros just for the test server.

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You don't have to redo your macros, you can upload them to playonline in the normal game, and then retrieve them in the test server install.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Hence, why Paladin is "required" for this fight.

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Perfect dodge.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You don't have to redo your macros, you can upload them to playonline in the normal game, and then retrieve them in the test server install.

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I'm sorry, I meant for me personally, since my macros have been 'altered' to gear swap on the test server I would have to completely rewrite and redesign them.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

I just realized that the references to Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magika just keep going and going in the limit break quests, such as the Tarutaru mentioning fulfillment of a contract as the fight starts. Just how popular was that show in Japan, anyway? I figured it was more of a sleeper hit or cult thing, since the show didn't have many panty-shots and there wasn't anyone to refer to as "oni-chan!"

Or am I way off and it's just a parody of some genre or theme in general?

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It was a huge hit, both here and overseas as far as I could tell. Man, it was everywhere for a while. I can't complain, I loved the show. The lack of panty shots was more than made up for by the plethora of post-death Mimi fanart.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

This post has been extremely helpful. Thanks a ton!

I didn't even consider that a PC version would exist, to the point I overlooked the mention of a PC version while reading the wikipedia article. While I suspect it'll have a minor bug or two like most PC ports of console games from that time, it will probably have fewer bugs than what I originally had planned (iykwim).

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No problem! Ha, I originally owned it for the dreamcast (which came with the OST, which I still have <3 I absolutely loved the music for that game), but that thing hasn't worked in years so I just played it on Pcsx2 myself before realizing there was a PC version. The PC version is a ton easier to use than emulation, and they touched it up a bit before releasing it since the PC version came out like a year after the rest. The colors seem a bit more vibrant and such, and it's rendered in a higher resolution than Dreamcast's native res. Have fun with it!

I'm excited to do this cap quest, they didn't disappoint if the battle remains similar on the real servers. Finally, a worthy sequal to the maat fight. Hopefull the adventuring fellow cap will be equally as enjoyable.

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inb4 port jeuno shouts selling spots in Genkai fight parties.

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I hate how far mercing has come but yeah that is exactly what will happen, a solid group will sell spots and make a killing when the servers come back up after they add this. They should make it so you can only enter once for a month or two at least, then ease the fight up for the ones that can't beat it.

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Then Invincible Solves that issue.

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Looked like most of his damage was from enfire or something? Assuming they did that due to how laughable a mnk would be against ochain.

Up to 6 ppl can take part in this fight.

I tried to solo it the first time around to gauge the fight.
It killed me and my pet in less than 1min even when I used pet food eta.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

Based on these things, should I look into Grandia II?

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Oh God yes, that game is fantastic.

The Tarutaru on that fight is Crawlerbasher. Ourshell member.

Ourshell ~ Your favorite social shell ^^

By the way, I read someone saying people wont return to help others with that fight. I disagree. Crawlerbasher and our whole Linkshell helps me since I joined Final Fantasy XI. So, I think people can return and do things to help each other.

Edit: Rofl. CB just posted before me.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Since I and many others just used the test moogle to raise our jobs to 99, we couldn't do the quest, but some people thought ahead (thank you) and did the quest.

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In case you (or others reading) don't know, you can simply delete the character from the test-server, and re-copy it at the application page.


As for the fight, since I had tried something at over 95 because this quest was not accessible yet, I first created a completely new character and went over but couldn't enter (I think I didn't actually have the Soul Gem, even though the cutscene made it look like I did).

I then copied my real character again and went there as a Ninja and was completely and utterly destroyed. I know I'm not the bestest so it might be no surprise but yeah, I'm not liking this. :V
For what it is worth, Jubaku, Hojo, Kurayami all seemed to work quite well, but didn't help me from getting one-hit-deded (one-hit in this case being Asuran Fists for 1674 points of damage). That was actually from the second round, on the first, I was hit for 176 + additional 165, and a Tornado Kick right after for 1367.

This with no test-server modifications to the character at all, and well, as I said I'm not the bestests but maybe it can be of some comparison that I have soloed Kukulkan (as well as the Voidwatch counterpart, Ushumgal, can't remember the Atmacites though), Eccentric Eve, and many more as NIN/DNC using the Atma of the Razed Ruins and the Atma of the Gnarled Horn. This? Not likely if it stays like this. Not a fan. xd

Might try as Red Mage later, as Red Mage is what I beat Maat the first time.
That would only make sense, but then again, I think my blood is rusty...

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

"Required" might be going too far. Did we test if Shadowbind stuck? If Shadowbind Sticks, Very well could be EVA Tanks.

That, and Perfect Dodge combats Hundred fists as well as Invincible.

We can keep going back and forth but i'll have an excuse for everything. Really was just agreeing with you from the beginning anyway, Expanding on the idea Invincible seems to be the key during HF, and with a WHM it would be pretty handle-able.

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and Perfect Dodge combats Hundred fists better than Invincible. read somewhere he had a potent enspell

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Originally Posted by hiko

and Perfect Dodge combats Hundred fists better than Invincible. read somewhere he had a potent enspell

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why would the thf have hate though

Stole it with collaborator obviously!

I assume it cant be dispelled? Otherwise wtf was the red mage doing ;-p

A whm with barfira would help a lot, specially if its merited. (Like my whm is, I've always find that barspell to be very useful in certain fights)

I need to get some sleep, but now I want to see if I can solo this on pup... or how long I'd last...

many other ways to approach this as well if you dont have PLD or THF or other ways that people think.

One way is to go the mage vs dd approach - basically kite+nuke.
Or if you want to go in to fight it with DD, can always just bind+gravity it when it 100 fists and run just out of range and reengage when 100 fist is down.
Or bring in 6x MNK/DNC, drain samba + all 100fists.
Or bring in 6x SMN.
etc. etc.

Probably can be solo if you play it right but it's good to have party fight as an option for those that rather to do this as a party fight.