Add PUP to Denali

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12-01-2011, 07:39 AM
xbobx

Add PUP to Denali

It was rediculous to begin with that PUP was left off Denali. This was during the time that for some reason SE thought PUP should only get mage gear.

Later they smartened up and added them to the light armor sets with thf, dnc, cor, rng, mnk etc.

Now that we are able to update old armor pieces, I think it is time for SE also to update it.

Goliard is pretty much useless to pup, please make the adjustment.

and please do not come back with, that would upset game balance, we know that is BS already.
12-01-2011, 10:18 PM
Theytak

omfg this so much
12-02-2011, 04:45 AM
Dfoley

I will third this. The upgraded denali / goliard armor pretty much screams to take pup off that goliard crap. We dont need mage stats... we have no native mp or spells.....
12-02-2011, 03:03 PM
Anza

Adding my voice in support, broken record here.

The only Goliard pieces that PUP ever got any real use out of were body (Haste) and hands (Acc+4/Atk+4 was a decent option if you couldn't put together a high enough haste build back in 75-cap land or lacked Pantin hands). Guess which stats are completely removed from those two pieces with the new updates... And they had seemingly had the nerve to add a nice amount of Avatar MAB+ to the upgraded Goliard hands for SMN, when they could easily have just made it PET MAB+ to also apply to Automatons and at least give PUP ONE useful piece in the set. But they didn't (apparently, here's hoping I'm wrong).

That being said, there is at least one legitimate "balance" argument... Currently there are 7 jobs on Denali, 7 on Goliard, and 6 on Askar. It would make upgrading Denali comparatively harder than the other two sets if it had 8 jobs on it and the other two only had 6, just due to competition.

At any rate, I do think it would make MUCH more sense to put PUP on Denali, but I'm not gonna hold my breath that it will actually happen.
12-02-2011, 06:12 PM
Alhanelem

Yeah, thankfully after ToAU SE realized that no PUP in their right mind would want to wear mage gear under normal circumstances.
12-02-2011, 06:36 PM
Kristal

Where do they have a list of the new armor? JulianDev's pages are still a sea of dot hacks, I assume because the EN local hasn't been properly updated yet.
12-02-2011, 06:40 PM
esoR

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27...date-11302011/

new gear being:

Denali Set +5 - Set Bonus Sometimes seals big damage:

Denali Bonnet +5 - DEF34 STR+6 Ratk+6 Macc+6 Mab+6 Crit+4% Setbonus
Denali Jacket +5 - DEF63 ACC+12 Haste+4 Doubleattack +3% Trippleattack+3% Quadrupleattack+3% Setbonus
Denali Wristbands +5 - DEF28 DEX+8 VIT+8 AGI+8 ACC+10 EVA+10 EnhancesFastcast (4%) Haste+4 Setbonus
Denali Kecks +5 - DEF47 STR+9 AGI +9 ATK+14 EVA+14 Haste+6 Setbonus
Denali Gamashes +5 - DEF26 DEX+10 AGI+10 MND+10 ATK+16 Ratk+10 DoubleAttack+3% Setbonus

i believe i saw pup on similar statted sets somewhere on bg, in the test server thread.

for me personally, some of the pieces are hit/miss for pup, compared with other options, but overall much better than the mage gear.

also, hopefully the community will come together an yell at SE to stop giving pup MP and magic attack bonus gear (that isn't for pets)

edit: found the set posted on BG, that i think is separate from denali. you're welcome pups

link

Head: Lv98, STR+8 MAB+4 Fast Cast+3 Haste+5% Set: Crit Hit Rate
Body: Lv99, Evasion+10 DEX+15 AGI+15 Acc+10 Crit Hit Damage+5% Set: Crit Hit Rate
Hands: Lv97, STR+7 DEX+7 VIT+7 AGI+7 INT+7 MND+7 CHR+7, Day Attribute: Weapon Skill Damage up, Set: Crit Hit Rate
Legs: Lv98, DEX+5 Haste+4% Crit Damage+4% Set: Crit Hit Rate
Feet: Lv96, DEX+10 AGI+10 Haste+3% Acc+5 Eva+5 Set: Crit Hit Rate
MNK THF RNG NIN BLU DNC PUP COR
12-02-2011, 07:06 PM
Kristal

Interesting changes... but I'm keeping in mind that these are undisclosed future changes on the test server, so no doubt subject to change. PUP loses pretty much any reason to wear goliard, so I do hope SE wisens up and puts PUPs on denali when they overhaul TOAU.

Hmm.. maybe there's hope for PUPs on homam too :D Or abjuration gear.
12-02-2011, 07:12 PM
esoR

to be clear. i do not think we will use the old lvl 75 denali and upgrade it. i believe there will be new lvl 99 armor added and that will be enhanced. same names atm, different pieces. example: Denali Jacket Rare Ex
[Body] All Races
DEF:43 HP+25 AGI+10 Attack+9 Ranged Attack+9 "Subtle Blow"+3 Set: Increases Accuracy
LV 75 MNK THF RNG NIN BLU COR DNC

versus: Denali jacket +1 def 61
Accuracy +5 Haste +1% Double Attack +1%

up to Denali Jacket +5 - DEF63 ACC+12 Haste+4 Doubleattack +3% Trippleattack+3% Quadrupleattack+3% Setbonus

there is nothing similar between these two pieces aside from the [temporary] name. so no real worries, i'm sure pup wil make it onto the lvl 99 gear, i just wouldnt be concerned with stats that dont match up to the old lv 75 set, cause it'll be completely different, and require obtaining in a new tier. (speculating)
12-03-2011, 12:51 AM
xbobx

The new denali are trial of magian, they already stated the old gear would be upgraded via trial of magian
12-03-2011, 02:49 AM
Alhanelem

I know some people are actually upset about the gear upgrades because some existing stats on the original armors are removed.
12-08-2011, 08:47 AM
Furlow

I'ld like to say, I've main healed traditional parties Pre 75 update as my puppet master on a merit team before. Subbed /sch at that time to do it with verm cloak and +MP gear and light staff at that time. So the pups using mage gear realy wasn't that bad if actualy worked to do it. This was all after Whm head was added so I had lil buddy helpin keep the team going of course. I'm pretty sure I could do it now even if I updated my casting build.
12-08-2011, 07:12 PM
Theytak

if you play it intelligently, you can mainheal while meleeing fairly effectively, though it's takes some practice.
12-12-2011, 01:04 AM
Dohati

Quote:

Originally Posted by xbobx

Goliard is pretty much useless to pup, please make the adjustment.

some of the goliard gear was pretty good melee gear for it's day. the hands were some of the best for pup when nyzul was new, and i used the body in my TP set for years before af3 and twilight belt came out and i could cap haste without it. goliard body still has the most haste on any body for pup. i can't think of a single piece of denali i would have ever wished i could use on pup. it would have been decent i guess when nyzul was new, but usukane always blew any denali out of the water already even then.
12-12-2011, 02:16 PM
Theytak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dohati

some of the goliard gear was pretty good melee gear for it's day. the hands were some of the best for pup when nyzul was new, and i used the body in my TP set for years before af3 and twilight belt came out and i could cap haste without it. goliard body still has the most haste on any body for pup. i can't think of a single piece of denali i would have ever wished i could use on pup. it would have been decent i guess when nyzul was new, but usukane always blew any denali out of the water already even then.

that's kind of the point, lol. They got rid of everything useful to pup that was on goliard, but left pup on goliard. I mean, sure, the +5 pants would be handy for the rare situations where you're main healing on pup once the new update goes live and makes it feasible, but I'd still rather get my hands on some of those updated goliard pieces...
12-12-2011, 03:55 PM
Karbuncle

If that Goliard +5 body is correct, and I'd lose my old Goliard body,I'm never upgrading it...

I need my Haste+4% body for my Melee SMN and RDM!
12-16-2011, 08:34 PM
Dohati

where are you guys finding the stats for the nyzul gear +1~5?
12-17-2011, 12:48 PM
Theytak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Melee SMN and RDM!

I'm laughing so hard right now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dohati

where are you guys finding the stats for the nyzul gear +1~5?

they were added to the test server .dats temporarily with the update that added... either the relic+2 or the merit WS, I can't remember which. the .dats were removed with the following test server update.
12-17-2011, 04:00 PM
Karbuncle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theytak

I'm laughing so hard right now.

You should be, Cause it was a hilarious joke.

if you thought i really did those things outside of soloing you should feel ashamed !
12-19-2011, 11:36 PM
Theytak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karbuncle

You should be, Cause it was a hilarious joke.

if you thought i really did those things outside of soloing you should feel ashamed !

of course I didn't. I just love to laugh at people who think that they should be amazing melee DDs on their smns and rdms.
12-20-2011, 11:40 PM
Zemarin

Goliard looks better on pups.. besides pups dont need better gear. Stick with Goliard.
12-21-2011, 12:46 AM
xbobx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zemarin

Goliard looks better on pups.. besides pups dont need better gear. Stick with Goliard.

so stick with a set of armor that has no use on the job?
12-21-2011, 04:30 AM
Dfoley

Dude, i would straight up tp in full goliard +5 and I bet I would out DD every other mage job doing it cause pup are BOSS.
12-21-2011, 06:35 AM
Theytak

Quote:

Originally Posted by xbobx

so stick with a set of armor that has no use on the job?

you missed the point of the obvious joke.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zemarin

Goliard looks better on pups.. besides pups dont need better gear. Stick with Goliard.

the only thing goliard looks better than is what william shatner would look like had he not had so much plastic surgery. and not by much.

Considering pup is a job that embodies and epitomizes one of the founding rules of FFXI, "The better the stats, the more useful the item, the uglier it will be", the fact that goliard is too ugly even for us says something.