Same-Sex Marriages

I think in game weddings should allow two player characters of the same sex to marry. I would like to think SE has gotten a little more progressive as a company when they decided to include two lesbians in Final Fantasy XIII and it would certainly garner some attention to finally break these boundaries. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] It's unfair. It's unjust. It's unconstitutional. There's nothing wrong if two Galkas or two Mithras want to share their love, but this is coming from a company that feels that a Male Goblin and a Female Hume [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] getting it on is more socially acceptable.

So I plead to you, SE. Please remove this unnecessary restriction and let the love flow through you.

P.S. Anyone want to marry me? :D

Not to mention, a large portion of males tend to play as females.
Just as well, plenty of females play as males. [Most of my female friends play as males in MMOs.]

This is a fantasy game after all.

Great idea. Not much other to say than that.

But what about the Galkas? They have no sex at all. How can they get married?



edited to add: I agree with the main post. I don't see what the big deal about it is - just let characters marry other characters without having to worry about if they picked the right avatar.

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I am for a change in this direction, though.

American parents in particular would be up in arms over a game offering same sex marriage (they would say promoting the idea to minors) will never happen lol It's not worth the fallout.

Keep in mind that it happening in a story in another game is another matter compared to two real people actually going though it in an mmo and taking it rather seriously.

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Originally Posted by Zyrs

But what about the Galkas? They have no sex at all. How can they get married?



edited to add: I agree with the main post. I don't see what the big deal about it is - just let characters marry other characters without having to worry about if they picked the right avatar.

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Hmmm, Can Galkas not marry at all? I was under the impression they were considered Male. And it doesn't matter, no one cares about the Galkas.

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Originally Posted by Dazusu

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I am for a change in this direction, though.

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I am being genuine when I say I want same sex marriages, however, I thought I would have a little fun with it while I was at it.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

American parents in particular would be up in arms over a game offering same sex marriage (they would say promoting the idea to minors) will never happen lol It's not worth the fallout.

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That's a load of bull.
To begin with, parents generally don't care to that level of detail.
You think most parents even know that this game has marriage at all?

Most online games these days that offer dating/relationship/marriage systems, allow it for all sexes.
Especially since most of these systems offer a benefit for being in said relationship, therefore making it unfair to people who play together but can't be partners due to gender limitations, etc.

And Zyrs, as-is Galkas are considered male for marriage and other such purposes.

The only reason I'd see SE declining this, is due to pure laziness, which is very likely.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

American parents in particular would be up in arms over a game offering same sex marriage (they would say promoting the idea to minors) will never happen lol It's not worth the fallout.

Keep in mind that it happening in a story in another game is another matter compared to two real people actually going though it in an mmo and taking it rather seriously.

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You can certainly discuss controversial issues in game and you discuss controversial issues in school as well. Abortion, same sex marriage, civil unions, gun control laws, etc were all issues that came up in my high school government class. Frankly, if your parents feel that you are not old enough to discuss these issues then perhaps they should reevaluate letting their child play an online game where they can interact with adults who aren't afraid of speaking about said issues.

And it's not even that SE is promoting gay marriage, they are merely allowing the players to choose for themselves.

I totally want same sex marriages too ;o

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That's a load of bull.
To begin with, parents generally don't care to that level of detail.
You think most parents even know that this game has marriage at all?

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A lot of americans care about what the media tells them to care about, I can't think of any MMOs that offer marriage to the level FFXI goes with it and it not being an 18 rated game. Can you name some?

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Originally Posted by Mirage

I totally want same sex marriages too ;o

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Yay! :D :D

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Originally Posted by Runespider

A lot of americans care about what the media tells them to care about, I can't think of any MMOs that offer marriage to the level FFXI goes with it and it not being an 18 rated game. Can you name some?

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The Sims 2. And they shared the same graphic cutscenes as straight couples did (The same Woo Hooing scene) when they engaged in sex. It was also rated T for Teen.

Marriage on a game period, is rather dumb anyways.

But anyways, referring to what the OP wanted.

New weapons or the following, maps, add ons, armor, NPCs or same sex marriages. Hmm....

I'll go with new content.

Now look,i get it if ur gay or w/e.My medic(im in the army)was gay an he was a cool friend,best medic u could ever have.But lets keep ur sexuality out of the game plz.I play the game ta have fun with my friends,not see u get fruitier than a bowl a trix with urs.

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But lets keep ur sexuality out of the game plz

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It's already there, marriage is already in the game.

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

Marriage on a game period, is rather dumb anyways.

But anyways, referring to what the OP wanted.

New weapons or the following, maps, add ons, armor, NPCs or same sex marriages. Hmm....

I'll go with new content.

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This is a poor argument. You're making it sound like same-sex marriage is something so super incredibly difficult that you can't implement it and still have time to do the other things you mentioned.

I'm willing to bet that same-sex marriages wouldn't take more than like an hour to put into the game.

Why are you bringing up an earth religion as an argument, when there isn't even any evidence of it being true?

I was wondering how long this topic would last without getting into the whole "but the gays are wrong" thing.

And I'm pretty sure the people who brought it up so far are just trolls.

So yay on that, I guess.

On topic: What the heck does it matter? If you wanna shout your love for (Asexual, mind you) galka crotch in Port Jeuno, go ahead. Having SE give you a shiny sticker doesn't make your love any less real. I mean seriously, if you cared what other people thought of your sexual exploits (sexploits?), you probably woudn't be openly gay.

As long as I'm not involved in the manpile, I can't see the harm in lettin' people love the way they wanna love. But you don't really need in-game marriage to prove that, unless you're just really insecure and seeking validation from some higher authority.

I'm heterosexual, and you are a fascist.

I started this game with my partner because of the marriage systems. We were able to live out something in a fake world that is denied to us. However, me and him both pick very attractive male elvaans... we then found out we couldnt marry. He could marry my mule.... or I could marry his... but never together...

Fable and the Sims are two games that come to my mind that allow you marry whichever sex you want... and then there is Grand Theft Auto which kids play that has a sex scene...

If this game had to get a higher game rating in the US because of same-sex marriage, I'm all for it. States are slowly responding to their constituents and voting approval on Same-Sex marriages.... Marriage is allowed for all in 10 countries, 6 states and Recognized in 6 countries and 3 states...

Most of the play base that I know of would not have a problem with the idea - plus I agree that there would not be much technical game mechanics that would have to change to allow it to happen.

God. Don't you people every stop? Next thing ya know you'll be requiring that SE puts an "In-Game Gay Rights" forum or something. DO US ALL A FAVOR AND STFU!

the idea of 'same-sex marriage' is pretty ridiculous in the first place. Put it in historical context. It has never come up in any culture before the last few decades. Japan is actually more sane than the west regarding this. It is not taken seriously in Asia at all. Marriage has been a religious institution far longer than a legal one, and even longer than cultural one. 'Same-sex marriage' is a farce. Its an attempt to force everyone to believe that homosexuality is better than the heterosexual marriage that has existed for all human history and nurtured and educated all members of the human family. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but so can I. Don't try to force me to believe this. This is an attack on freedom, NOT a fight for it.

"here lets flip the history of human-kind on its head to do a little experiment! Who cares about the lives that will be shattered in the process! I just want to see what will happen...." ... The more radical you try to shove the pendulum over, the harder it will swing back...

Homosexuality is a sexual deviance like any other fetish. If you want to go for it, more power to you, I really don't care. However, the concept of 'same-sex marriage' is a political contrivance for most and a personal grudge for the rest. Its an attempt to shove a lifestyle choice of a relatively small group of people down the throats of anyone who does not believe as they do.

I think it is sad that people want to reduce their entire lives down to a sexual interest. Life is more than sex! This is true for EVERYONE. If you reduce yourself to this I feel sorry for you. If you want to shove your sexual lifestyle in stranger's and everyone's face, then you are a perpetrator of sexual harassment, NOT a victim.

There is absolutely no reason to shove this into the game. SE should not even respond to these inquiries and demands. They have no responsibility to jump into this deceptive political game. I hope this thread and any thread about same-sex marriage in game gets NUKED.

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

God. Don't you people every stop? Next thing ya know you'll be requiring that SE puts an "In-Game Gay Rights" forum or something. DO US ALL A FAVOR AND STFU!

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What is your issue with someone wanting to have and share their loving, happy, and healthy relationship? I don't understand it, especially in a gaming community.

When you make a flaming post stating "Do us all a favor and STFU!" you're not bringing yourself any credit or supporters. If you can provide a logical reason that does not include religion, I will be more than happy to listen and debate this.

Also, Xilk, thank you for saying that homosexuality is a sexual deviance like any other fetish. Whereas the American Psychological as well as many other Psychological Associates have stated that homosexuality is not a deviance. As well as thank you for stating "I think it is sad that people want to reduce their entire lives down to a sexual interest. Life is more than sex! This is true for EVERYONE. If you reduce yourself to this I feel sorry for you. If you want to shove your sexual lifestyle in stranger's and everyone's face, then you are a perpetrator of sexual harassment, NOT a victim."
Every time I see a heterosexual couple able to hold hands, or even slightly kiss in public without people yelling, name calling, or belittling them, shows that people don't care about the "heterosexual" sexual lifestyle.

Just be open minded, no one is trying to shove it down your throat and no one will force you to marry someone else who has created the same-sexed avatar for you. If I remember correctly, marriages are by choice, not force.

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Originally Posted by Xilk

the idea of 'same-sex marriage' is pretty ridiculous in the first place. Put it in historical context. It has never come up in any culture before the last few decades. Japan is actually more sane than the west regarding this. It is not taken seriously in Asia at all. Marriage has been a religious institution far longer than a legal one, and even longer than cultural one. 'Same-sex marriage' is a farce. Its an attempt to force everyone to believe that homosexuality is better than the heterosexual marriage that has existed for all human history and nurtured and educated all members of the human family. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but so can I. Don't try to force me to believe this. This is an attack on freedom, NOT a fight for it.

"here lets flip the history of human-kind on its head to do a little experiment! Who cares about the lives that will be shattered in the process! I just want to see what will happen...." ... The more radical you try to shove the pendulum over, the harder it will swing back...

Homosexuality is a sexual deviance like any other fetish. If you want to go for it, more power to you, I really don't care. However, the concept of 'same-sex marriage' is a political contrivance for most and a personal grudge for the rest. Its an attempt to shove a lifestyle choice of a relatively small group of people down the throats of anyone who does not believe as they do.

I think it is sad that people want to reduce their entire lives down to a sexual interest. Life is more than sex! This is true for EVERYONE. If you reduce yourself to this I feel sorry for you. If you want to shove your sexual lifestyle in stranger's and everyone's face, then you are a perpetrator of sexual harassment, NOT a victim.

There is absolutely no reason to shove this into the game. SE should not even respond to these inquiries and demands. They have no responsibility to jump into this deceptive political game. I hope this thread and any thread about same-sex marriage in game gets NUKED.

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^+2 this. Finally someone with brains speaks out. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Moonblade

What is your issue with someone wanting to have and share their loving, happy, and healthy relationship? I don't understand it, especially in a gaming community.

When you make a flaming post stating "Do us all a favor and STFU!" you're not bringing yourself any credit or supporters. If you can provide a logical reason that does not include religion, I will be more than happy to listen and debate this.

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Read Xilk's post. He says everything I wanted to. Thank Xilk.

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Originally Posted by Xilk

the idea of 'same-sex marriage' is pretty ridiculous in the first place. Put it in historical context. It has never come up in any culture before the last few decades. Japan is actually more sane than the west regarding this. It is not taken seriously in Asia at all. Marriage has been a religious institution far longer than a legal one, and even longer than cultural one. 'Same-sex marriage' is a farce. Its an attempt to force everyone to believe that homosexuality is better than the heterosexual marriage that has existed for all human history and nurtured and educated all members of the human family. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but so can I. Don't try to force me to believe this. This is an attack on freedom, NOT a fight for it.

"here lets flip the history of human-kind on its head to do a little experiment! Who cares about the lives that will be shattered in the process! I just want to see what will happen...." ... The more radical you try to shove the pendulum over, the harder it will swing back...

Homosexuality is a sexual deviance like any other fetish. If you want to go for it, more power to you, I really don't care. However, the concept of 'same-sex marriage' is a political contrivance for most and a personal grudge for the rest. Its an attempt to shove a lifestyle choice of a relatively small group of people down the throats of anyone who does not believe as they do.

I think it is sad that people want to reduce their entire lives down to a sexual interest. Life is more than sex! This is true for EVERYONE. If you reduce yourself to this I feel sorry for you. If you want to shove your sexual lifestyle in stranger's and everyone's face, then you are a perpetrator of sexual harassment, NOT a victim.

There is absolutely no reason to shove this into the game. SE should not even respond to these inquiries and demands. They have no responsibility to jump into this deceptive political game. I hope this thread and any thread about same-sex marriage in game gets NUKED.

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You abuse the strawman fallacy like a drunken stepfather.

Just sayin'.

Preach on Gadanae and Xilk!!! ,they need ta keep it in the closet with Justin Bieber an Elton John...

So Gadanae,why do you want to shoot everyone who isn't a christian heterosexual? Cause that's what you were implying.

I have yet to see a valid reason. The only thing that is coming from the post is that people are "scared" of what they do not know and therefore think it should not be allowed.

No one reduces their life down to sex. Not only am I red-headed, left handed, irish-descent, but I also happen to be gay. Any of the aforementioned reasons will allow me to marry in the Real World with the exception of being gay. Why not allow in the fantasy game environment for same-sexed individuals get married. I know plenty of dudes who play Mithra's and plenty of women who play galka's/male-sexed avatars.... This is not about forcing a belief or forcing an ideology upon people. If you don't like the idea because of your moral/religious background - I can accept that but my morals and god has told me not to judge others.

No, moonblade, you have to understand that in a perfect world, sexual deviants should be purged and everyone should be indoctrinated in the ways of the only true religion, christianity.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

No, moonblade, you have to understand that in a perfect world, sexual deviants should be purged and everyone should be indoctrinated in the ways of the only true religion, christianity.

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And now the strawmen from the "yay to gay" side. C'mon people, let's have a bit of class in our reasonable discussions of unimportant, underutilized systems in online games that aren't even currently active.

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Originally Posted by NrvnqsrKhaos

And now the strawmen from the "yay to gay" side. C'mon people, let's have a bit of class in our reasonable discussions of unimportant, underutilized systems in online games that aren't even currently active.

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Yes, I was exaggerating, but not very much. A few posts ago, you'll see someone saying basically just that,though a bit more subtle.

And it's not even that i'm "yay to gay", it's that I see no reason to discriminate against people who happen to prefer their own sex over the opposite, and definitely not based on your own personal religious belief.

Why should you even care if two men got married? Exactly how does it affect your personal or professional life?

It is something that is nice to homosexuals, and doesn't really affect anyone else. If you are thoroughly disgusted by two people being happily married, maybe the problem lies with you.

Yes, I know that Galkas are asexual and just considered male. I was making a joke.

SE could have just as easily made them asexual but considered female, with the same character models. I think that would have been incredibly funny, especially if they had given them the female armor models.

Really though, allowing any character to marry any other character isn't going to hurt anyone at all - I know numerous heterosexual couple that play as two mithra or two galka. If it would make it easier for those opposed, they should just think of it as two characters getting married, since it is all just bits and bytes.

I'm just saying, it's a heck of a lot easier to mock someone for something they kinda sorta implied that they may have been thinking than doing it for what they actually said.

Maybe Gadane was referring to some sort of cake and happiness gun, that was loaded with Understanding Shells and fired the buckshot we call Respectful Disagreement. You can't say for certain!

You're right, I should apologize for jumping to conclusions.

Next time i see someone with a knife on the streets, I'm going to be open to the idea that it's made of chocolate and ask the guy if I can have a taste!

Also another note.

Who even uses the marriage system in this game? 1% of the FFXI population?

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the idea of 'same-sex marriage' is pretty ridiculous in the first place

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Marriage in general is ridiculous, as a race we are hard wired to "be with" as many people as possible and this leads to marriages breaking up and/or one cheating on the other (some are better than others at not getting caught). As more time goes on and more things are acceptable marriage will fade even further away in importance, it's just totally silly in a race that's so Promiscuous and a culture that basically accepts it.

A lot of the posts here are trolling so keep that in mind if you get annoyed by them. They do give you an insight of what some people really do believe though and the outrage among hic parents thinking Square is trying to brainwash their kids into being gay would be more hassle than it's worth.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

You're right, I should apologize for jumping to conclusions.

Next time i see someone with a knife on the streets, I'm going to assume it's made of chocolate and eat it!

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Don't you go pulling the same stunt on me now. :< It's a really easy and really bad habit to get into, when arguing with people. I just try to point it out in hopes that people think more about what they type.

In your example, you have visual evidence that the knife is not, in fact, made of chocolate. And I personally would not antagonize a person who is visably armed in the same way I antagonize people I disagree with on the internet. I cannot say for certain if you share this trait, however.

Stuff like this is why legal speak is so complex. I'm getting tired of it already, and it's my pet peeve!

Ok, i'll stop joking around now :<

I just get really frustrated sometimes you know