[Dev 1042] Lv. 99! Dark Knight's Slam your Fists into your Faces!

Since you aren't going to give us anything of import and feel that Thunder III is a great climactic finish to the reach to 99. (A spell that has been in existence since 2003~)

I was wondering if you could take 15 minutes in between making 9+ BLU spells each update, to please fix our AF+2 working with Absorb-Attri.


Its the best new spell we are going to ever get, you have made this abundantly clear, so at least make sure it functions properly.


However I must reiterate these ideas and wonder where they have gone and if you are even considering them:

Dark Based Nuke that takes advantage of the poorly executed Occult Acumen
Making Absorb-Stat spells useful / not decay.
Lowering Casting Time / Recast on Dark Magic
Drain III/ Aspir III
Stun II (Blue Mage has over 4 stuns, and Dancer can Stun every 20 seconds!)
Making Tactical Parry Make sense

Normally I'm pretty pessimistic regarding drk and it's updates. But, I strongly believe as far as job adjustments go, there are still more notes to be released.

lets hope so, but I got a bad feeling about this.

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Originally Posted by NeoLionheart

Normally I'm pretty pessimistic regarding drk and it's updates. But, I strongly believe as far as job adjustments go, there are still more notes to be released.

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There is, Job Abilities and the lvl. 99 Weaponskills.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

lets hope so, but I got a bad feeling about this.

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Thats the spirit. lol

hell any sort of Dev responce at this point would be an improvement we havent see any for DRK in weeks, and no Moving threads outta general to DRK forums isnt dev feedback

Remember the last time we had faith, that was when the Scarlet Diarrhea happened.

When the day comes they nerf samurai it will indirectly cause dark knight to be adjusted in the other direction counter balancing the scale of idiocy that has reigned down since March 11th 2008.

Guys, I don't see what the problem is.

We got tactical parry!

Our jobs fixed now...right...

Can we adleast get a Blood Weapon Job Trait that kicks in like a war's double attack job trait, give us blood weapon jt instead of that OA crap.

We knew about that entire update well before they posted it. There will be many more updates for the changes on the rise to 99.

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Originally Posted by Taint2

We knew about that entire update well before they posted it. There will be many more updates for the changes on the rise to 99.

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Which will Include giving DRK Clear Mind, Auto Regen I, and Max MP boost.


BLU now has Bloodrake which is far superior to NV + Drain II, and Absolute Terror in top of their 500 other stuns.

Both of these spells are very potent and are not flops, they easily do what is advertised to formidable monsters.

But:

STUN II - NUP.
DRAIN III/ASPIR III - NUP.





.-. It blows one's mind just thinking about it.

Fuck it. That is about what i have came to the conclusion of thinking about them doing anything remotely good for dark other than jacking up everything else 10x as much.

I don't think just a fist will do enough damage to make Scarlet Delirium really work for you.

Maybe try a stick with an agitated badger taped on the end?

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Originally Posted by NeoLionheart

Normally I'm pretty pessimistic regarding drk and it's updates. But, I strongly believe as far as job adjustments go, there are still more notes to be released.

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this was just the first wave of notes. there will undoubtedly be more over the next 6 months.

So BLU is the whipping boy this week? Sweet, i'll just slap a picture of an ominous Immortal on my 'Let's hate ____! ' updateable riot sign....


Seriously, BLU gets new spells almost every update. Its what the job is all about. Going out and dying umpteen million times trying to get more spells that are mostly diluted to hell from what the mobs actually cast on us.

The vast majority of BLU spells are

1) Only ever set for gimmicky traits that are beaten by simply subbing the jobs they mimic

2) Awesome in theory, but are impractical to reliably use or plain suck

3) Were given to the job to keep BLUs thinking they got something every update while in reality the job was just like most most other DDs(ie. Not WAR, MNK, or SAM)


Any BLU really trying to up his game is trying to unlock Chant du Cygne. Which imo brings up a point that SE really needs to address for DRK-Torcleaver and Quietus.

Personally SE would be forgiven alot in my book if my Quietus could naturally crit. Well that and if they would rethink the lvl 95 upgrade trial. not digging being stuck at lvl 90 on my weapons.

Crit weaponskills does not a good DRK make.

In application or in theme.




I get the feeling that everyone who thinks BLU spells suck is seriously rolling around with people terrible at the job, the BLU's in my LS use their spells to great effect and have a unique, diverse fun job to play:

That can deal respectable damage.
Stun better than any job alive.
Support heal, even main heal low man if needed.
Support Debuff removal.
And solo things DRK could never dream of.
Bring vast utility to a party endeavor.

sudden lunge is still broken as hell, gotta give that to blu's along with a bunch of stuff. Great job for cleaving etc, they really shine in abyssea. Outside just a proc job tbh.

I'll continue to preach about patience and see where that gets me, 99 relics might be monster and if they are then with LR buff I won't care too much about much else.

One thing that really bugs me is our 2 hour, I've believed that it's needed changing for more than a few years (even back during kraken zergs I still didn't like it as a 2hour).

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Originally Posted by Dart

sudden lunge is still broken as hell, gotta give that to blu's along with a bunch of stuff. Great job for cleaving etc, they really shine in abyssea. Outside just a proc job tbh.

I'll continue to preach about patience and see where that gets me, 99 relics might be monster and if they are then with LR buff I won't care too much about much else.

One thing that really bugs me is our 2 hour, I've believed that it's needed changing for more than a few years (even back during kraken zergs I still didn't like it as a 2hour).

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DRK achieving maximum effect with a club is retarded.

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver

So BLU is the whipping boy this week? Sweet, i'll just slap a picture of an ominous Immortal on my 'Let's hate ____! ' updateable riot sign....


Seriously, BLU gets new spells almost every update. Its what the job is all about. Going out and dying umpteen million times trying to get more spells that are mostly diluted to hell from what the mobs actually cast on us.

The vast majority of BLU spells are

1) Only ever set for gimmicky traits that are beaten by simply subbing the jobs they mimic

2) Awesome in theory, but are impractical to reliably use or plain suck

3) Were given to the job to keep BLUs thinking they got something every update while in reality the job was just like most most other DDs(ie. Not WAR, MNK, or SAM)


Any BLU really trying to up his game is trying to unlock Chant du Cygne. Which imo brings up a point that SE really needs to address for DRK-Torcleaver and Quietus.

Personally SE would be forgiven alot in my book if my Quietus could naturally crit. Well that and if they would rethink the lvl 95 upgrade trial. not digging being stuck at lvl 90 on my weapons.

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I have caladbolg, redemption, and apoc and my emps cant hold a candle to my apoc, furthermore they need to fix the job first before they address any weapon. Talking about a weapon only strengthens SE stands, drk has apoc which is the best relic in the game and has access to kraken club (unfortunately), I can see SE saying "you guys have apoc and kraken club what more do you want? blu and pups dont have relic weapon" and again if I wanted a weapon to define the job I would've played war. You cant aspect every drk to wield an apoc or have a kraken club at the ready whenever they BW, fix the JOB the toys are just extra!

My Apoc is a band-aid, I sincerely fear the job has been balanced around it, which is bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Urteil

Crit weaponskills does not a good DRK make.

In application or in theme.




I get the feeling that everyone who thinks BLU spells suck is seriously rolling around with people terrible at the job, the BLU's in my LS use their spells to great effect and have a unique, diverse fun job to play:

That can deal respectable damage.
Stun better than any job alive.
Support heal, even main heal low man if needed.
Support Debuff removal.
And solo things DRK could never dream of.
Bring vast utility to a party endeavor.

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Well then damn! Where were you when i wasn't getting invites?

Of course BLU is a great job when played to the fullest. My point was i think its just tiresome when its always 'X job is so w/e' and 'man i sure wish my job was more like Y job'.

I'm not one of those that directs ppl to the MH moogle every time the issue of job parity pops up. But at the same time, the constant bickering about other jobs is just beyond tiresome at this point. Its small, mean, and petty and achieves next to nothing.

And for the record i do happen to be a BLU as well and while everything you said can be true,everything i pointed is true as well. Its just silly to whine about all the great stuff BLU is getting when the spell list is gonna go from 144 -> 157 and still only a fraction of the spells will ever be used. Not forgetting to mention that of those few, due to outdated thinking on SE's part, they won't be able to be used at the same time.

DRK, the death dealing job, wearing black armor and wielding the weapon of the reaper himself,
Not having Terror at all.


Is kind of where I snapped.
It could have been any job, but in reality it is as simple as that.

Think of dark knight now vs the old way as we are Grim from The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.

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Originally Posted by Chriscoffey

Think of dark knight now vs the old way as we are Grim from The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.

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We could only hope to be half that cool. I'm sure he at least has Drain III, Stun II, and can make interdimensional portals, and resurrect the dead.

OP whines so much, like a little girl, over every single thing yet to happen. Let things play out and actually be released before you go trying to latch on to mommy's breast and cry.Thunder 3 for dark, yes and it is the only thing ever going to be given to dark for the rest of the game. Emo ppl for an Emo job I suppose. Just relax and maybe give input instead of these idiotic rants.

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Originally Posted by Morier

OP whines so much, like a little girl, over every single thing yet to happen. Let things play out and actually be released before you go trying to latch on to mommy's breast and cry.Thunder 3 for dark, yes and it is the only thing ever going to be given to dark for the rest of the game. Emo ppl for an Emo job I suppose. Just relax and maybe give input instead of these idiotic rants.

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There tons of threads filled with input but we see none of it

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You mean like:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-via-Manifesto

?

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

I have caladbolg, redemption, and apoc and my emps cant hold a candle to my apoc, furthermore they need to fix the job first before they address any weapon. Talking about a weapon only strengthens SE stands, drk has apoc which is the best relic in the game and has access to kraken club (unfortunately), I can see SE saying "you guys have apoc and kraken club what more do you want? blu and pups dont have relic weapon" and again if I wanted a weapon to define the job I would've played war. You cant aspect every drk to wield an apoc or have a kraken club at the ready whenever they BW, fix the JOB the toys are just extra!

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And who decides which parts of the job are considered "toys"? You? The parts of a job that a person likes is kinda up to them wouldn't you say?

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver

And who decides which parts of the job are considered "toys"? You? The parts of a job that a person likes is kinda up to them wouldn't you say?

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I think he's referring to weapons, which aren't a part of the actual job itself.

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Originally Posted by Urteil

DRK, the death dealing job, wearing black armor and wielding the weapon of the reaper himself,
Not having Terror at all.


Is kind of where I snapped.
It could have been any job, but in reality it is as simple as that.

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Ok, i can dig that.

I've been DRK since NA release in 2003.
I've seen 8 years of DRK q_q

Just remember, anyone that isn't DRK and says DRK sucks, well, they are a moron. ^^

DRK doesn't really have a reason to QQ at this moment.

It has the most self sustained haste out of any job, the most durability out of any 2 handed DD (w/ apoc), (maybe behind DRG if you are counting enmity reduction), and the most 'utility' of any of the 2 handed DDs (basically 60% of all darkness procs).

You want potent terror? Proc red and stop crying.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

DRK doesn't really have a reason to QQ at this moment.

It has the most self sustained haste out of any job, the most durability out of any 2 handed DD (w/ apoc), (maybe behind DRG if you are counting enmity reduction), and the most 'utility' of any of the 2 handed DDs (basically 60% of all darkness procs).

You want potent terror? Proc red and stop crying.

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/facepalm

If it takes a relic to make the job work there might be something wrong.

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Originally Posted by Taint2

/facepalm

If it takes a relic to make the job work there might be something wrong.

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even if relics aren't too difficult to get anymore, this is still a valid point.

Theres some Dark Knight ablities & spells that where given to them in other games but not (or ever) given in FFXI

Demi- This was given to Summoners, Diabolos's "Somnolence"
Weighs target down, and deals magical damage.

Doom- Given to Blue Mages via Mortal Ray

Charon- Ninja 2hr Mijin Gakure

Break- Was Given to other jobs first

I know what everyone's gonna say though "LOLOL STFU YOU LOLDRK LEVEL WAR OR SOMETHING USEFUL"

This would be a much more useful JA for drk....way better then Scarlet Delirium

Eye for an Eye
Attack damage increases with lower HP. I know Desperate blows is close...but still

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Originally Posted by Dart

even if relics aren't too difficult to get anymore, this is still a valid point.

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If he got off his ass and leveled dark knight to compare to his warrior he might have some idea what exactly the problem is. I am sure the "I don't want to level dark knight" comment gets thrown in here however I have both and having a damn relic shouldn't define the job like Taint/Dart stated. I have warrior with Laceratrice and just with raging rush alone I can damage compariable to people who suck with Ukko's Fury from Uko.

EDIT: I don't exactly like having most of these jobs leveled. I sure as hell didn't want to level whm of all things however I did to experience the game play involved with the job. I have read that Leon says he's bored with the game so if he wants to "experience" more of FFXI that would be a good undertaking for him.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

DRK doesn't really have a reason to QQ at this moment.

It has the most self sustained haste out of any job, the most durability out of any 2 handed DD (w/ apoc), (maybe behind DRG if you are counting enmity reduction), and the most 'utility' of any of the 2 handed DDs (basically 60% of all darkness procs).

You want potent terror? Proc red and stop crying.

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So your basically saying that you expect all drks to have a apoc?? Yeah this is a smart post

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

I don't think just a fist will do enough damage to make Scarlet Delirium really work for you.

Maybe try a stick with an agitated badger taped on the end?

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fantastic!